2024 QB Watch
NFL Rookie Watch@NFLRookieWatxhThe potential 2024 QB draft class absolutely showed OUT in week one.
This QB class could be the best the NFL has EVER seen.
Caleb Williams (USC): 18/24, 319 passing yards, 5 TD’s
Drake Maye (UNC): 24/32, 269 yards, 2 TD’s, 2 INT’s
Shedeur Sanders (Colorado): 38/47, 510 yards (led country), 4 TD’s
Michael Penix Jr. (UW): 29/40, 450 yards, 5 TD’s
Quinn Ewers (Texas): 19/30, 260 yards, 3 TD’s
JJ McCarthy (Michigan): 26/30, 280 yards, 3 TD’s
Bo Nix (Oregon): 23/27, 287 yards, 3 TD’s
Riley Leonard (Duke): 17/33, 175 yards, 98 rushing yards, 1 TD
Spencer Rattler (SC): 30/39, 353 yards
Joe Milton (Tennessee): 21/30, 201 yards, 4 total TD’s
Jordan Travis (FSU): 23/31, 342 yards, 5 total TD’s
And only ONE of these QB’s came away with a loss
@"StickyBun" said: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2024-nfl-two-round-mock-draft-vikings-replace-kirk-cousins-with-j-j-mccarthy-in-round-1/
I'm fine with JJ, but if we're not signing Cousins, there has to be a bridge of some sort. I wouldn't want to start a rookie week one regardless of who it is, but starting a kid barely out of his teens is asking for trouble.
@"StickyBun" said: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2024-nfl-two-round-mock-draft-vikings-replace-kirk-cousins-with-j-j-mccarthy-in-round-1/
Is that really what Rome Odunze's hair looks like? Jeez. Major Cine vibes = Do Not Draft ha.
Wolfson also reporting today that the Vikings and Patriots talked at the Senior Bowl gauging interest in a possible trade.
@"supafreak84" said: Wolfson also reporting today that the Vikings and Patriots talked at the Senior Bowl gauging interest in a possible trade.Good stuff, supa. So this aligns with a rumor I heard that Minnesota isn't that interested in JJM, they like others better. One in particular that isn't Caleb Williams.
@"StickyBun" said: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2024-nfl-two-round-mock-draft-vikings-replace-kirk-cousins-with-j-j-mccarthy-in-round-1/
Right now, and it's early of course, I would want us in play for Maye if he is falling down past 4 as this draft indicates.
@"supafreak84" said: Wolfson also reporting today that the Vikings and Patriots talked at the Senior Bowl gauging interest in a possible trade.I'd be pretty surprised if the Vikings didn't have seeds planted with nearly all the teams in the top 10. But I do think New England is the most likely team to trade out.
@"MaroonBells" said:I wouldn't sleep on Washington.@"supafreak84" said: Wolfson also reporting today that the Vikings and Patriots talked at the Senior Bowl gauging interest in a possible trade. I'd be pretty surprised if the Vikings didn't have seeds planted with nearly all the teams in the top 10. But I do think New England is the most likely team to trade out.
@"Geoff Nichols" said:That would surprise me. Just my opinion, but I think they brought in Kliff Kingsbury to tailer an offense around either Caleb Williams or Jayden Daniel's, similar to what he ran in Arizona with Kyler Murray. It would take an army of riches for them to move off that pick. I think Sam Howell turns the ball over too much for them to stick with him@"MaroonBells" said:I wouldn't sleep on Washington.@"supafreak84" said: Wolfson also reporting today that the Vikings and Patriots talked at the Senior Bowl gauging interest in a possible trade. I'd be pretty surprised if the Vikings didn't have seeds planted with nearly all the teams in the top 10. But I do think New England is the most likely team to trade out.
@"supafreak84" said:Yah, the cost to move up to top 3 is prohibitive and downright scary given the high rate of QB flame-outs.@"Geoff Nichols" said:That would surprise me. Just my opinion, but I think they brought in Kliff Kingsbury to tailer an offense around either Caleb Williams or Jayden Daniel's, similar to what he ran in Arizona with Kyler Murray. It would take an army of riches for them to move off that pick. I think Sam Howell turns the ball over too much for them to stick with him@"MaroonBells" said:I wouldn't sleep on Washington.@"supafreak84" said: Wolfson also reporting today that the Vikings and Patriots talked at the Senior Bowl gauging interest in a possible trade. I'd be pretty surprised if the Vikings didn't have seeds planted with nearly all the teams in the top 10. But I do think New England is the most likely team to trade out.I have a growing suspicion the Vikings rate Maye right behind Caleb and in front of Daniels.
@"Geoff Nichols" said:Everything's for sale I guess...for the right price. But Washington trading out would surprise me. There are generally considered three QBs in the 1st tier. I think most teams would be happy with either of them, making pick 3 the more cost-effective route to QBOTF than pick 2.@"MaroonBells" said:I wouldn't sleep on Washington.@"supafreak84" said: Wolfson also reporting today that the Vikings and Patriots talked at the Senior Bowl gauging interest in a possible trade. I'd be pretty surprised if the Vikings didn't have seeds planted with nearly all the teams in the top 10. But I do think New England is the most likely team to trade out.Unless they're head over heels in love with one of the 2nd tier QBs, I think they stick and pick. Right now, Maye and Daniels seem neck and neck but if we start to see a widening of the gap between them, that could make pick 2 hotter than it is now.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"Geoff Nichols" said:Everything's for sale I guess...for the right price. But Washington trading out would surprise me. There are generally considered three QBs in the 1st tier. I think most teams would be happy with either of them, making pick 3 the more cost-effective route to QBOTF than pick 2.@"MaroonBells" said:I wouldn't sleep on Washington.@"supafreak84" said: Wolfson also reporting today that the Vikings and Patriots talked at the Senior Bowl gauging interest in a possible trade. I'd be pretty surprised if the Vikings didn't have seeds planted with nearly all the teams in the top 10. But I do think New England is the most likely team to trade out.Unless they're head over heels in love with one of the 2nd tier QBs, I think they stick and pick. Right now, Maye and Daniels seem neck and neck but if we start to see a widening of the gap between them, that could make pick 2 hotter than it is now.
We'll see how free agency shakes out, I've gotten the impressions (without them saying it) that they would be very open to a veteran QB vs. starting over with a rookie right now.
@"Geoff Nichols" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"Geoff Nichols" said:Everything's for sale I guess...for the right price. But Washington trading out would surprise me. There are generally considered three QBs in the 1st tier. I think most teams would be happy with either of them, making pick 3 the more cost-effective route to QBOTF than pick 2.@"MaroonBells" said:I wouldn't sleep on Washington.@"supafreak84" said: Wolfson also reporting today that the Vikings and Patriots talked at the Senior Bowl gauging interest in a possible trade. I'd be pretty surprised if the Vikings didn't have seeds planted with nearly all the teams in the top 10. But I do think New England is the most likely team to trade out.Unless they're head over heels in love with one of the 2nd tier QBs, I think they stick and pick. Right now, Maye and Daniels seem neck and neck but if we start to see a widening of the gap between them, that could make pick 2 hotter than it is now.
We'll see how free agency shakes out, I've gotten the impressions (without them saying it) that they would be very open to a veteran QB vs. starting over with a rookie right now.
Vikings country....let's ride!
Kurt Warner nails it...
For me CJ Stroud is a great example - obviously really good in college & OSU runs more pro-style concepts than most but they didn’t ask him to process & get ball out as quickly as he did last year in HOU - so I had no idea he would be so good at processing so fast! He’s better in NFL than what we got to see in college, but many times you just don’t know until you know!
@"MaroonBells" said: Kurt Warner nails it...I know many of you LOVE college football, but as I start to dive into these college QBs, it’s hard for me to even watch: very few play on schedule, the pass concepts are a mess most of the time, they run the same play over & over, a million bubble screens, can’t find many concepts that translate to next level… and then ppl are asked to figure out how good they will be at next level!? (Nearly impossible in my mind)For me CJ Stroud is a great example - obviously really good in college & OSU runs more pro-style concepts than most but they didn’t ask him to process & get ball out as quickly as he did last year in HOU - so I had no idea he would be so good at processing so fast! He’s better in NFL than what we got to see in college, but many times you just don’t know until you know!
He sure does....
How any scout/coach can watch these guys playing college ball and extrapolate it out to the pro's is beyond comprehension.
All I can hope for as a fan is that they due their dilligence + get lucky. Luck is not something I associate with the Vikings.
Maybe the football gods will smile on em this time.
@"purplefaithful" said:@"MaroonBells" said: Kurt Warner nails it...I know many of you LOVE college football, but as I start to dive into these college QBs, it’s hard for me to even watch: very few play on schedule, the pass concepts are a mess most of the time, they run the same play over & over, a million bubble screens, can’t find many concepts that translate to next level… and then ppl are asked to figure out how good they will be at next level!? (Nearly impossible in my mind)For me CJ Stroud is a great example - obviously really good in college & OSU runs more pro-style concepts than most but they didn’t ask him to process & get ball out as quickly as he did last year in HOU - so I had no idea he would be so good at processing so fast! He’s better in NFL than what we got to see in college, but many times you just don’t know until you know!
He sure does....How any scout/coach can watch these guys playing college ball and extrapolate it out to the pro's is beyond comprehension.
All I can hope for as a fan is that they due their dilligence + get lucky. Luck is not something I associate with the Vikings.
Maybe the football gods will smile on em this time.
I don't know how anyone can watch a college football game on a Saturday afternoon and tell the difference between a 1st round QB and a 4th round QB. And even when you start breaking down the clips, you see so many of these guys with five minutes to throw and receivers with 10 yards of separation. NONE of that translates to the NFL. And if there's a guy who's used to that, he's probably going to struggle in the NFL.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"purplefaithful" said:@"MaroonBells" said: Kurt Warner nails it...I know many of you LOVE college football, but as I start to dive into these college QBs, it’s hard for me to even watch: very few play on schedule, the pass concepts are a mess most of the time, they run the same play over & over, a million bubble screens, can’t find many concepts that translate to next level… and then ppl are asked to figure out how good they will be at next level!? (Nearly impossible in my mind)For me CJ Stroud is a great example - obviously really good in college & OSU runs more pro-style concepts than most but they didn’t ask him to process & get ball out as quickly as he did last year in HOU - so I had no idea he would be so good at processing so fast! He’s better in NFL than what we got to see in college, but many times you just don’t know until you know!
He sure does....How any scout/coach can watch these guys playing college ball and extrapolate it out to the pro's is beyond comprehension.
All I can hope for as a fan is that they due their dilligence + get lucky. Luck is not something I associate with the Vikings.
Maybe the football gods will smile on em this time.
I don't know how anyone can watch a college football game on a Saturday afternoon and tell the difference between a 1st round QB and a 4th round QB. And even when you start breaking down the clips, you see so many of these guys with five minutes to throw and receivers with 10 yards of separation. NONE of that translates to the NFL. And if there's a guy who's used to that, he's probably going to struggle in the NFL.
It's why I am convinced they will resign Cousins. It will be expensive, but they can't afford not to.
If they don't, I predict we will see a new GM and HC after next season!
@"jargomcfargo" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"purplefaithful" said:@"MaroonBells" said: Kurt Warner nails it...I know many of you LOVE college football, but as I start to dive into these college QBs, it’s hard for me to even watch: very few play on schedule, the pass concepts are a mess most of the time, they run the same play over & over, a million bubble screens, can’t find many concepts that translate to next level… and then ppl are asked to figure out how good they will be at next level!? (Nearly impossible in my mind)For me CJ Stroud is a great example - obviously really good in college & OSU runs more pro-style concepts than most but they didn’t ask him to process & get ball out as quickly as he did last year in HOU - so I had no idea he would be so good at processing so fast! He’s better in NFL than what we got to see in college, but many times you just don’t know until you know!
He sure does....How any scout/coach can watch these guys playing college ball and extrapolate it out to the pro's is beyond comprehension.
All I can hope for as a fan is that they due their dilligence + get lucky. Luck is not something I associate with the Vikings.
Maybe the football gods will smile on em this time.
I don't know how anyone can watch a college football game on a Saturday afternoon and tell the difference between a 1st round QB and a 4th round QB. And even when you start breaking down the clips, you see so many of these guys with five minutes to throw and receivers with 10 yards of separation. NONE of that translates to the NFL. And if there's a guy who's used to that, he's probably going to struggle in the NFL.
It's why I am convinced they will resign Cousins. It will be expensive, but they can't afford not to.
If they don't, I predict we will see a new GM and HC after next season!
______________________
If Cousins signs with the Falcons, who have an offense that appears to be a QB away, and he takes that team deep into the playoffs, while the Vikings draft the next Bryce Young, Zach Wilson, Trubisky, Rosen or Lance, there is going to be a lot of egg on the face of this organization.
Poor Bryce Young...
Wonder what year2/3 potential is there?
He also has little surround.
@"Geoff Nichols" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"Geoff Nichols" said:Everything's for sale I guess...for the right price. But Washington trading out would surprise me. There are generally considered three QBs in the 1st tier. I think most teams would be happy with either of them, making pick 3 the more cost-effective route to QBOTF than pick 2.@"MaroonBells" said:I wouldn't sleep on Washington.@"supafreak84" said: Wolfson also reporting today that the Vikings and Patriots talked at the Senior Bowl gauging interest in a possible trade. I'd be pretty surprised if the Vikings didn't have seeds planted with nearly all the teams in the top 10. But I do think New England is the most likely team to trade out.Unless they're head over heels in love with one of the 2nd tier QBs, I think they stick and pick. Right now, Maye and Daniels seem neck and neck but if we start to see a widening of the gap between them, that could make pick 2 hotter than it is now.
We'll see how free agency shakes out, I've gotten the impressions (without them saying it) that they would be very open to a veteran QB vs. starting over with a rookie right now.I know it's been said before and not that I agree but Russell Wilson can be obtained for about 1.21 million after he is supposedly released
Vikings get Maye with Pick #4 in this mock..
Edit Post (mod action — author will see a notice)
Warn Poster
Suspend User (3 days)
The user will be suspended for 3 days and will receive an email with the reason and information about how to appeal.