2024 QB Watch

@"dadevike" said:

@"StickyBun" said: They are going to get this kid killed or he's going to pick up bad habits being pressured/hit/sacked so much:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38769067/colorado-shedeur-sanders-takes-beating-deion-laments-poor-protection-vs-ucla

I watched most of this game. He got pummeled and just kept getting up. The NFL will feel like touch football compared to what his O-line is doing to him. His dad/coach should definitely counsel him to declare for the draft.

@"StickyBun" said:

@"dadevike" said:

@"StickyBun" said: They are going to get this kid killed or he's going to pick up bad habits being pressured/hit/sacked so much:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38769067/colorado-shedeur-sanders-takes-beating-deion-laments-poor-protection-vs-ucla

I watched most of this game. He got pummeled and just kept getting up. The NFL will feel like touch football compared to what his O-line is doing to him. His dad/coach should definitely counsel him to declare for the draft.

I'm very high on this kid as a NFL QB. He's tough as nails. I just don't trust 100% he's going to declare this upcoming Draft. 

We're going to be in the 10ish range for a pick.  Who is realistic at that spot?  Do we have a shot at Penix?  Or JJ Mccarthy?  JJ to JJ sounds like a marketing dream.  Penix highlights looks like the dude has unbelievable accuracy on long balls?

Considering that Caleb Williams most likely will be gone, I would take either
Drake Maye or JJ McCarthy, with Bo Nix and Michael Penix moving up into the mix. I would be very happy with any of these.

Penix isn't lasting to 10.  Vikings should have a chance at one of McCarthy or Nix if they want them.  

The Vikings have nine 2024 picks after trade deadline
1 (MIN)
2 (MIN)
4 (MIN), 4 (DET)
5 (CLE), 5 (KC)
6 (CAR), 6 (LVR)
7 (one of AZ's 3)

— Andrew Krammer (@Andrew_Krammer) November 1, 2023

@"MaroonBells" said: https://twitter.com/Andrew_Krammer/status/1719718722716271084?s=20

Did we lose our 3rd in the Hockenson trade? 

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: https://twitter.com/Andrew_Krammer/status/1719718722716271084?s=20

With seven of those picks being round four or lower (sigh)

Did we lose our 3rd in the Hockenson trade? 

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: https://twitter.com/Andrew_Krammer/status/1719718722716271084?s=20

With seven of those picks being round four or lower (sigh)

Did we lose our 3rd in the Hockenson trade? 

Right now my assessment would be that Caleb Williams is not going to be the first QB picked in the draft.

@"FLVike" said: Right now my assessment would be that Caleb Williams is not going to be the first QB picked in the draft.

@"JR44" said:

@"FLVike" said: Right now my assessment would be that Caleb Williams is not going to be the first QB picked in the draft.

Lol! =) =) =) There has not been a consensus #1 pick like this in the NFL in since maybe Payton Manning.  He is going to be a NFL star day one.  Watching him make plays tonight that no one other than Mahomes can make.  

@"FLVike" said: Right now my assessment would be that Caleb Williams is not going to be the first QB picked in the draft.

@"RS Express" said: Penix isn't lasting to 10.  Vikings should have a chance at one of McCarthy or Nix if they want them.  

Does a left handed QB screw up the offense from a play caller/designer stand point?  

I wonder if the fact that Penix is a southpaw if that will be a mark against him by some teams.  As a lefty myself I know that I've had coaches in about every sport I've played that have restricted me from positions,  or tried to change my game up someway to make me more right handed.

I like a lot of what I see in Penix,  very strong pocket game,  can move when needs to,  but typically a strong accurate passer,  I do question his processing speed,  but that's probably more a matter of how good his OL is that he rarely has to get the ball out quickly and is used to being able to let plays develop.   

Personally,  I've watched about 3 games of his this year and wouldn't have a problem if they took him at any spot over any available QBs as of now.  If he can adjust to the speed of the pro rush and complexity of the pro blitzes,  I think he could be as good as any of the guys mentioned this year,  maybe better.  Kids got a ton of poise.

imo, Williams, Penix, McCarthy, Nix, and Maye will all be starters in the NFL and they probably will start as rookies.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"FLVike" said: Right now my assessment would be that Caleb Williams is not going to be the first QB picked in the draft.

Hes starting to get a Baker Mayfield look to me, strong arm,  escapanilty in and out of the pocket,  but not always the best accuracy and can make some dumb turnovers trying to make plays that aren't there. 

@"JR44" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"FLVike" said: Right now my assessment would be that Caleb Williams is not going to be the first QB picked in the draft.

Hes starting to get a Baker Mayfield look to me, strong arm,  escapanilty in and out of the pocket,  but not always the best accuracy and can make some dumb turnovers trying to make plays that aren't there. 

I live in LA and have watched every game he has played, his game is nothing like Mayfield, Williams is 10x more athletic and 10x more cerebral and more intelligent than Mayfield.  He is a very grounded kid who conducts himself as a pro, he does not have a huge ego and doing narcissistic stuff like Mayfield.  The only comp for him is Mahomes.  If you take a look at the USC defense, they pretty much allow the opponents to score on every series, even Cal put up 49 on them, so every time Caleb steps on the field he is in a must score situation which has put him in a situation where he has to take more risks, he doesn't have the benefit of a strong defense and being able to play more conservatively.  

I'll tell you who deserves some attention, and I love this kid.

Strong armed, athletic as hell, quick to process...

Hell, he's already wearing some purple now. He and JJ got a little history in common. 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

I didn't mean it in a negative way.  Mayfield was a jell of a college QB.  I just see similarities in their games,  not meaning their personalities.   I watched the kid cry in who I assume was his moms arms after the loss last night,  pretty tough to see kids get their hearts broke.  

@"JR44" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"FLVike" said: Right now my assessment would be that Caleb Williams is not going to be the first QB picked in the draft.

Hes starting to get a Baker Mayfield look to me, strong arm,  escapanilty in and out of the pocket,  but not always the best accuracy and can make some dumb turnovers trying to make plays that aren't there. 

I live in LA and have watched every game he has played, his game is nothing like Mayfield, Williams is 10x more athletic and 10x more cerebral and more intelligent than Mayfield.  He is a very grounded kid who conducts himself as a pro, he does not have a huge ego and doing narcissistic stuff like Mayfield.  The only comp for him is Mahomes.  If you take a look at the USC defense, they pretty much allow the opponents to score on every series, even Cal put up 49 on them, so every time Caleb steps on the field he is in a must score situation which has put him in a situation where he has to take more risks, he doesn't have the benefit of a strong defense and being able to play more conservatively.