2024 QB Watch

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"pattersaur" said:

Current Top 5- Bears (Panthers)CardinalsFootball TeamPatriotsGiants Even if the Bears and Cardinals both trade out, it seems safe to assume both of those picks will be QBs. Then you have QB-needy Washington, New England, and probably NYG. The Vikings are going to have to get really comfy with the 5th-ish QB taken in the draft, or make a colossal move into the top 3 if they want their choice after Williams/Maye. Best case for us is Bears and Cards both move back, but do so within the top 5. So WAS and NE get their QBs, CHI+ARI pick, and QB3 "falls" to NYG at 5. Pick 6 is LAC, 7 is TEN, 8 is CHI again, and 9 is NYJ. So in this scenario, QB4 could be had in that 8-10 range hopefully. Maybe CHI and NYG surprise and don't take QBs. That would really have us sitting pretty but it seems far-fetched.

One of the either the Bears or Cards could be a home for Fields. And don't forget that QBs like Russell Wilson will be out there too, along with Tannehill and Mayfield. I think Cousins re-ups in Minnesota, but even he could be an option for one of those teams. 

The plot thickens! Let's see if we can't get this thread to 50 pages by Draft Day lol.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Knucklehead" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: The range at which the Vikings will make their 1st pick is huge. I don't think I've ever seen it this wide this late in the ear. Right now the Vikings sit at 15. Not sure if this is true or not, but I heard someone say they could pick as high as 5 if everything, and I mean everything, falls right. And of course 32 if they somehow make the playoffs and win the Super Bowl. 

In order to pick in the top 7, some pretty unlikely things have to happen. But picking between 8-10 doesn't require nearly as much help. 

If JJ McCarthy lays an egg against Alabama on Monday, his draft stock is going to take a hit. I think there's already questions about him as far as not knowing exactly what you might be getting. I think he's going to be there at #15 for Minnesota either way IF they want him.....the thing is we don't know if the Vikings even like him. 

Latest rankings: https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2024-nfl-draft-position-rankings-quarterbacks

If I had to choose now what I THINK will happen, it'll be Bo Nix. 

I'm not yet convinced that JJM will declare. A lot will depend on the results of the CFP & if Harbaugh jumps to the pros. With the NIL $ available to JJM, remaining in Michigan may be a palatable option. I guess that I'll believe it when I see it.

IIRC Parcells had a checklist for evaluating college QBs & the likelihood that they could successfully transition to the pro game. He said that college QBs should have a minimum of 30 starts & a 70% win rate. I have to think that both Nix & Penix meet this metric FWIW.

One that wasn't on Parcell's checklist was season-ending injuries, which has to be a concern about Penix. Love his poise in the pocket though. 

I dont know that there is QB in the group that can help/hurt his stock more with his bowl game performance.  I have seen enough to know that I love his game,  but the durability question looms large and the Vikings havent been lucky in rolling the dice lately on "injury bugged" draft picks.  However,  I would love to see the kid play for the Vikings,  he has the arm to make about any throw and the accuracy to really make use of our receiving talents.   If they pass I will understand,  but if they take him I will be elated to see how his journey unfolds.  Really seems like a great young man.

Having watched a few Oregon games this fall, I would take Bo Nix in a heartbeat if he falls to us in the second round. 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Knucklehead" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: The range at which the Vikings will make their 1st pick is huge. I don't think I've ever seen it this wide this late in the ear. Right now the Vikings sit at 15. Not sure if this is true or not, but I heard someone say they could pick as high as 5 if everything, and I mean everything, falls right. And of course 32 if they somehow make the playoffs and win the Super Bowl. 

In order to pick in the top 7, some pretty unlikely things have to happen. But picking between 8-10 doesn't require nearly as much help. 

If JJ McCarthy lays an egg against Alabama on Monday, his draft stock is going to take a hit. I think there's already questions about him as far as not knowing exactly what you might be getting. I think he's going to be there at #15 for Minnesota either way IF they want him.....the thing is we don't know if the Vikings even like him. 

Latest rankings: https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2024-nfl-draft-position-rankings-quarterbacks

If I had to choose now what I THINK will happen, it'll be Bo Nix. 

I'm not yet convinced that JJM will declare. A lot will depend on the results of the CFP & if Harbaugh jumps to the pros. With the NIL $ available to JJM, remaining in Michigan may be a palatable option. I guess that I'll believe it when I see it.

IIRC Parcells had a checklist for evaluating college QBs & the likelihood that they could successfully transition to the pro game. He said that college QBs should have a minimum of 30 starts & a 70% win rate. I have to think that both Nix & Penix meet this metric FWIW.

One that wasn't on Parcell's checklist was season-ending injuries, which has to be a concern about Penix. Love his poise in the pocket though. 

I dont know that there is QB in the group that can help/hurt his stock more with his bowl game performance.  I have seen enough to know that I love his game,  but the durability question looms large and the Vikings havent been lucky in rolling the dice lately on "injury bugged" draft picks.  However,  I would love to see the kid play for the Vikings,  he has the arm to make about any throw and the accuracy to really make use of our receiving talents.   If they pass I will understand,  but if they take him I will be elated to see how his journey unfolds.  Really seems like a great young man.

Well said and I agree, but I guarantee this kid is very polarizing in NFL front offices. I bet he is all over the board in NFL Draft rooms and for the reasons you mention. Some NFL team always takes a QB much higher than the 'media experts' have him and Penix might be that kid.....or he falls. Bo Nix could also be that player. Both Nix and Penix will be 24 years old before or right after the Draft, compared to a kid like Quinn Evers who will be only 21 years old.

@"pattersaur" said:

The plot thickens! Let's see if we can't get this thread to 50 pages by Draft Day lol.

I read somewhere that Wilson's next team will not have to pay much of anything in terms of salary and cap space. Sounds like the Broncos will be on the hook for nearly all of it. Not sure how accurate that is. 

But is there a more perfect bridge QB than that? A 7X Pro Bowl QB that you don't have to pay? In a year when you're hit with $28M?

Now...I'm no big fan of Wilson's. He can be a clown and he's not as good as Kirk Cousins. But if we're unable to come to terms with Kirk, and we do draft a QB this spring, Wilson just might be a pretty good low-cost bridge to the post-Cousins, QB-on-a-rookie-deal promised land...(for those who observe). You also have to think the Vikings would be at or near the top of his list of teams.

Just take a breath before you start screaming at me. 

"Vikings country...let's ride!"

@"Knucklehead" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Knucklehead" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: The range at which the Vikings will make their 1st pick is huge. I don't think I've ever seen it this wide this late in the ear. Right now the Vikings sit at 15. Not sure if this is true or not, but I heard someone say they could pick as high as 5 if everything, and I mean everything, falls right. And of course 32 if they somehow make the playoffs and win the Super Bowl. 

In order to pick in the top 7, some pretty unlikely things have to happen. But picking between 8-10 doesn't require nearly as much help. 

If JJ McCarthy lays an egg against Alabama on Monday, his draft stock is going to take a hit. I think there's already questions about him as far as not knowing exactly what you might be getting. I think he's going to be there at #15 for Minnesota either way IF they want him.....the thing is we don't know if the Vikings even like him. 

Latest rankings: https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2024-nfl-draft-position-rankings-quarterbacks

If I had to choose now what I THINK will happen, it'll be Bo Nix. 

I'm not yet convinced that JJM will declare. A lot will depend on the results of the CFP & if Harbaugh jumps to the pros. With the NIL $ available to JJM, remaining in Michigan may be a palatable option. I guess that I'll believe it when I see it.

IIRC Parcells had a checklist for evaluating college QBs & the likelihood that they could successfully transition to the pro game. He said that college QBs should have a minimum of 30 starts & a 70% win rate. I have to think that both Nix & Penix meet this metric FWIW.

One that wasn't on Parcell's checklist was season-ending injuries, which has to be a concern about Penix. Love his poise in the pocket though. 

I dont know that there is QB in the group that can help/hurt his stock more with his bowl game performance.  I have seen enough to know that I love his game,  but the durability question looms large and the Vikings havent been lucky in rolling the dice lately on "injury bugged" draft picks.  However,  I would love to see the kid play for the Vikings,  he has the arm to make about any throw and the accuracy to really make use of our receiving talents.   If they pass I will understand,  but if they take him I will be elated to see how his journey unfolds.  Really seems like a great young man.

Well said and I agree, but I guarantee this kid is very polarizing in NFL front offices. I bet he is all over the board in NFL Draft rooms and for the reasons you mention. Some NFL team always takes a QB much higher than the 'media experts' have him and Penix might be that kid.....or he falls. Bo Nix could also be that player. Both Nix and Penix will be 24 years old before or right after the Draft, compared to a kid like Quinn Evers who will be only 21 years old.

I wouldn't be surprised if both Penix & Nix dropped to the 2nd round because of their age. Teams will also need to determine if they've already reached their ceilings or can they continue to improve which will be necessary for them to develop into pro QBs. In comparison, JJM is only 20 years old. JJM has a higher ceiling than either Penix or Nix but also a lower floor.
We did learn this season that KOC wants a pocket passer to run his offense. Both Penix & Nix would fit the bill. However, he passed on Levis in last year's draft & he's a pocket passer, so who knows.

The latest on Ewers is that he's expected to return to Texas which is puzzling to me since they have Arch Manning waiting in the wings.

@"supafreak84" said: "Vikings country...let's ride!"

@"MaroonBells" said: The range at which the Vikings will make their 1st pick is huge. I don't think I've ever seen it this wide this late in the ear. Right now the Vikings sit at 15. Not sure if this is true or not, but I heard someone say they could pick as high as 5 if everything, and I mean everything, falls right. And of course 32 if they somehow make the playoffs and win the Super Bowl. 

In order to pick in the top 7, some pretty unlikely things have to happen. But picking between 8-10 doesn't require nearly as much help. 

@"AGRforever" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: The range at which the Vikings will make their 1st pick is huge. I don't think I've ever seen it this wide this late in the ear. Right now the Vikings sit at 15. Not sure if this is true or not, but I heard someone say they could pick as high as 5 if everything, and I mean everything, falls right. And of course 32 if they somehow make the playoffs and win the Super Bowl. 

In order to pick in the top 7, some pretty unlikely things have to happen. But picking between 8-10 doesn't require nearly as much help. 

I don’t want to mail it in, but we need to figure out how to lose these next 2 games. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"pattersaur" said:

The plot thickens! Let's see if we can't get this thread to 50 pages by Draft Day lol.

I laughed at this when I saw it. But this is actually more likely than it seems on the surface.

I read somewhere that Wilson's next team will not have to pay much of anything in terms of salary and cap space. Sounds like the Broncos will be on the hook for nearly all of it. Not sure how accurate that is. 

But is there a more perfect bridge QB than that? A 7X Pro Bowl QB that you don't have to pay? In a year when you're hit with $28M?

Now...I'm no big fan of Wilson's. He can be a clown and he's not as good as Kirk Cousins. But if we're unable to come to terms with Kirk, and we do draft a QB this spring, Wilson just might be a pretty good low-cost bridge to the post-Cousins, QB-on-a-rookie-deal promised land...(for those who observe). You also have to think the Vikings would be at or near the top of his list of teams.

Just take a breath before you start screaming at me. 

@"pattersaur" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"pattersaur" said:

The plot thickens! Let's see if we can't get this thread to 50 pages by Draft Day lol.

I laughed at this when I saw it. But this is actually more likely than it seems on the surface.

I read somewhere that Wilson's next team will not have to pay much of anything in terms of salary and cap space. Sounds like the Broncos will be on the hook for nearly all of it. Not sure how accurate that is. 

But is there a more perfect bridge QB than that? A 7X Pro Bowl QB that you don't have to pay? In a year when you're hit with $28M?

Now...I'm no big fan of Wilson's. He can be a clown and he's not as good as Kirk Cousins. But if we're unable to come to terms with Kirk, and we do draft a QB this spring, Wilson just might be a pretty good low-cost bridge to the post-Cousins, QB-on-a-rookie-deal promised land...(for those who observe). You also have to think the Vikings would be at or near the top of his list of teams.

Just take a breath before you start screaming at me. 

Agreed. I think the achilles thing with Kirk is a much bigger deal than fans seem to be making it out to be. Russ for 2 years makes a lot of sense if we draft a rookie. If he plays well for a season he’s a very tradeable asset or you keep him if the rook needs more time. 

Russ is the same age as Kirk. Not as good but no Achilles concern. Also likely much cheaper. He makes a lot of sense if he’s fine with a one or two year deal if Kirk is wanting more than that. 

Even if Kirk is still the primary target, Wilson’s availability might help the Vikings a bit in negotiations so I see this Denver debacle as a good thing for us.

@"pattersaur" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"pattersaur" said:

The plot thickens! Let's see if we can't get this thread to 50 pages by Draft Day lol.

I laughed at this when I saw it. But this is actually more likely than it seems on the surface.

I read somewhere that Wilson's next team will not have to pay much of anything in terms of salary and cap space. Sounds like the Broncos will be on the hook for nearly all of it. Not sure how accurate that is. 

But is there a more perfect bridge QB than that? A 7X Pro Bowl QB that you don't have to pay? In a year when you're hit with $28M?

Now...I'm no big fan of Wilson's. He can be a clown and he's not as good as Kirk Cousins. But if we're unable to come to terms with Kirk, and we do draft a QB this spring, Wilson just might be a pretty good low-cost bridge to the post-Cousins, QB-on-a-rookie-deal promised land...(for those who observe). You also have to think the Vikings would be at or near the top of his list of teams.

Just take a breath before you start screaming at me. 

Agreed. I think the achilles thing with Kirk is a much bigger deal than fans seem to be making it out to be. Russ for 2 years makes a lot of sense if we draft a rookie. If he plays well for a season he’s a very tradeable asset or you keep him if the rook needs more time. 

Russ is the same age as Kirk. Not as good but no Achilles concern. Also likely much cheaper. He makes a lot of sense if he’s fine with a one or two year deal if Kirk is wanting more than that. 

Even if Kirk is still the primary target, Wilson’s availability might help the Vikings a bit in negotiations so I see this Denver debacle as a good thing for us.

@"supafreak84" said:

@"pattersaur" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"pattersaur" said:

The plot thickens! Let's see if we can't get this thread to 50 pages by Draft Day lol.

I laughed at this when I saw it. But this is actually more likely than it seems on the surface.

I read somewhere that Wilson's next team will not have to pay much of anything in terms of salary and cap space. Sounds like the Broncos will be on the hook for nearly all of it. Not sure how accurate that is. 

But is there a more perfect bridge QB than that? A 7X Pro Bowl QB that you don't have to pay? In a year when you're hit with $28M?

Now...I'm no big fan of Wilson's. He can be a clown and he's not as good as Kirk Cousins. But if we're unable to come to terms with Kirk, and we do draft a QB this spring, Wilson just might be a pretty good low-cost bridge to the post-Cousins, QB-on-a-rookie-deal promised land...(for those who observe). You also have to think the Vikings would be at or near the top of his list of teams.

Just take a breath before you start screaming at me. 

Agreed. I think the achilles thing with Kirk is a much bigger deal than fans seem to be making it out to be. Russ for 2 years makes a lot of sense if we draft a rookie. If he plays well for a season he’s a very tradeable asset or you keep him if the rook needs more time. 

Russ is the same age as Kirk. Not as good but no Achilles concern. Also likely much cheaper. He makes a lot of sense if he’s fine with a one or two year deal if Kirk is wanting more than that. 

Even if Kirk is still the primary target, Wilson’s availability might help the Vikings a bit in negotiations so I see this Denver debacle as a good thing for us.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not for it and I hate agreeing with Maroon...but Wilson has put up over 3,000 yards passing and a combined 29 TD's on the season. He can still play and we all know Payton is a douche. Throw in the fact you could likely get him cheap because of the guaranteed money he's receiving from Denver, and there might not be a better bridge quarterback out there. I think KOC also loves the option of having a quarterback that can make plays with his legs so check that box for Wilson.

Would you rather have Wilson on a cheap two year deal, fully healthy, or would you rather have Cousins on an expensive, mostly guaranteed two year deal, where he would likely start the season on IR and his health becomes a question going forward? 

@"AGRforever" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: The range at which the Vikings will make their 1st pick is huge. I don't think I've ever seen it this wide this late in the ear. Right now the Vikings sit at 15. Not sure if this is true or not, but I heard someone say they could pick as high as 5 if everything, and I mean everything, falls right. And of course 32 if they somehow make the playoffs and win the Super Bowl. 

In order to pick in the top 7, some pretty unlikely things have to happen. But picking between 8-10 doesn't require nearly as much help. 

I don’t want to mail it in, but we need to figure out how to lose these next 2 games. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"pattersaur" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"pattersaur" said:

The plot thickens! Let's see if we can't get this thread to 50 pages by Draft Day lol.

I laughed at this when I saw it. But this is actually more likely than it seems on the surface.

I read somewhere that Wilson's next team will not have to pay much of anything in terms of salary and cap space. Sounds like the Broncos will be on the hook for nearly all of it. Not sure how accurate that is. 

But is there a more perfect bridge QB than that? A 7X Pro Bowl QB that you don't have to pay? In a year when you're hit with $28M?

Now...I'm no big fan of Wilson's. He can be a clown and he's not as good as Kirk Cousins. But if we're unable to come to terms with Kirk, and we do draft a QB this spring, Wilson just might be a pretty good low-cost bridge to the post-Cousins, QB-on-a-rookie-deal promised land...(for those who observe). You also have to think the Vikings would be at or near the top of his list of teams.

Just take a breath before you start screaming at me. 

Agreed. I think the achilles thing with Kirk is a much bigger deal than fans seem to be making it out to be. Russ for 2 years makes a lot of sense if we draft a rookie. If he plays well for a season he’s a very tradeable asset or you keep him if the rook needs more time. 

Russ is the same age as Kirk. Not as good but no Achilles concern. Also likely much cheaper. He makes a lot of sense if he’s fine with a one or two year deal if Kirk is wanting more than that. 

Even if Kirk is still the primary target, Wilson’s availability might help the Vikings a bit in negotiations so I see this Denver debacle as a good thing for us.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not for it and I hate agreeing with Maroon...but Wilson has put up over 3,000 yards passing and a combined 29 TD's on the season. He can still play and we all know Payton is a douche. Throw in the fact you could likely get him cheap because of the guaranteed money he's receiving from Denver, and there might not be a better bridge quarterback out there. I think KOC also loves the option of having a quarterback that can make plays with his legs so check that box for Wilson.

Would you rather have Wilson on a cheap two year deal, fully healthy, or would you rather have Cousins on an expensive, mostly guaranteed two year deal, where he would likely start the season on IR and his health becomes a question going forward? 

Cousins. How expensive is "expensive?" How guaranteed is "mostly." And why would his health become a question after recovering from the injury? No more a question than anyone else.

There's nothing to agree or disagree with because I'm not advocating for anything. I'm not saying we should or shouldn't do this. I throw the Wilson thing out there because it's one option no one is talking about. And the no-money thing might be pretty tempting for a team who has to absorb $28M dead. But I think it's a pretty severe last resort.

Ideally, the Vikings sign Cousins to a deal that has the injury discount baked in. And then we draft a QB. In terms of what we "should" do, this one is in the lead by a mile. 

Options are good. Options are potential leverage.

Anything that looks, smells or feels like a short-term QB (if the KC thing goes south) is a good thing for the Vikings. 

Anyone here on the Penix train? Or JJMc?

Going to be fun watching both tonight. 

@"purplefaithful" said: Anyone here on the Penix train? Or JJMc?

Going to be fun watching both tonight.