OT: Winter is Here (spoiler alert!)

I'm now convinced Tyrion and Varys are working for Cersei. I know it will break hearts if he is dirty, but it fits the style of this show.

@"Jor-El" said: I'm now convinced Tyrion and Varys are working for Cersei. I know it will break hearts if he is dirty, but it fits the style of this show.

@"Mike Olson" said:

@"Jor-El" said: I'm now convinced Tyrion and Varys are working for Cersei. I know it will break hearts if he is dirty, but it fits the style of this show.

Not really. If this is the case then it is terrible writing. WHat would be the point of the conversation between Cersei and Tyrion last night? To put on a show between themselves.... for the viewer? We aren't part of the story so there would be no point to the conversation. 

Which of the conversations between Arya and Sansa didn't make sense though. It was pretty obvious to us that Arya knew what was up with Littlefinger at the start of the game he was playing with her. 

The only way the thing with Tyrion makes sense to me is if there is an end to the conversation with him and Cersei that we haven't been shown yet. 

Sansa's side of the conversation with Arya (while Sansa snooped in Arya's room), in which she parroted Littlefinger's words to suggest Arya might try to kill her, occurred in private with no one (at least apparently) else observing. 

There must have been more to the conversation between Cersei and Tyrion. We don't know and now we have over a year to speculate (so I'll probably change my opinion a lot of times..), but it could be revealed as almost anything, even, "So does Jamie still think our children were his? Can you make the Mountain leave so we have time for a quickie?" That's probably on the far extreme, but I do think the writers are going to try to shock viewers with unpredictable twists.

I've been thinking about the events since Dany reached Westeros, and Tyrion and Varys have done nothing to really help her, have they?

• Alliance with Tyrells and Martells: seemed good, but both groups were already fighting Cersei, so all it did was put them under her command. So Tyrion commanded the Martells to sail with Yara's fleet and were intercepted by Euron, who was so "lucky" to know right where they were. 
• He sent the Unsullied to take Casterley Rock - and the Lannisters "anticipated" that move and left it to attack the Tyrells and take their gold reserves.
• Daenerys retaliated against the Lannisters, but not until all the Tyrell gold had been shipped to pay the Iron Bank. I don't know if Tyrion delayed her to let them move the gold, but it's possible that he let Cersei know it had to move quickly.
• Tyrion stopped Daenerys from destroying Cersei at King's Landing, more than once. He claims that's about mercy, but if the Night King is going to kill everyone in Westeros if not stopped, wouldn't it be better to wipe out Cersei, end the war, and go north to save the rest of the continent?
• Tyrion did get Jon to come to Dragonstone. Maybe that was helpful to her, but it also might have suited Cersei to keep the North from attacking her, and have Jon and Dany in the same place, watched by her spies.

The reason why Tyrion is shown at the end of the episode looking on them is that Tyrion is concerned/knows that his hope for a democracy may be at risk and that with a potential offspring between Jon and Dany there is a lineage beyond themselves that would stave off there being a democracy. Effectively continuing the game of thrones.... 

What is going to be interesting is how much Tyrion actually knows about Jon Snow. They made a point about him consuming knowledge during his character development. And part of that was his knowledge of noble families. 

@"purplefaithful" said: Littlefinger dead, Neidermeyer? Dead!

So glad that little fucker (er finger) got what's coming to him. Thought Jaime was going to be joining him with the gods lol! 

Aegon Targareyean...Has a good sound

Who made the call on the blue flame? Good call! 

Anyone want to bet Yara gets freed and she & Reek end-up messing up their Uncle big time??? Pregnant Dany anyone??

So frigging frustrated we have to wait so long now. UGH. 

Also there isn't enough time for that plot twist to play out. 

As an aside Cersei may die in childbirth to a Dwarf. She isn't supposed to have more than 3 children by prophecy. She is said to be killed by little brother.... Which is why she hates Tyrion.... But Jaime was born moments after her..... AND he just set off for the North, and likely impregnated her. If she is in fact prgenant. 

I just read it will be two years for the next season?   Two years? 

That's nucking futs....  

Rumors are that each episode is going to be over an hour long, possibly 1.5 hours long.  That's damn near making a full length movie for each episode.  If it took them 2 years to pull off 6 movies, that's flying in production terms.  With sheer amount of CGI used in the show, that also makes it an impressive feat.  

@"AllBS" said: Rumors are that each episode is going to be over an hour long, possibly 1.5 hours long.  That's damn near making a full length movie for each episode.  If it took them 2 years to pull off 6 movies, that's flying in production terms.  With sheer amount of CGI used in the show, that also makes it an impressive feat.  

The “Game of Thrones” season finale Sunday night smashed a series record for ratings, attracting 12.1 million viewers, according to Nielsen.
HBO said on Monday that when views on HBO Go and its stand-alone HBO Now app were included, the 79-minute episode had 16.5 million viewers.
Though “Game of Thrones” has been HBO’s most popular show ever for some time, its audience is getting only bigger. Sunday’s total viewership was up 36 percent over last year’s finale, which had 8.9 million viewers, and it was 19 percent better than the sixth-season premiere in July, which had 10.1 million viewers.
There’s also plenty of delayed viewing, apparently: HBO said that each episode of the current season is averaging more than 30 million viewers across platforms, which is nearly eight million more viewers than at the end of last season.
The record ratings provide a ray of sunlight for what has been an otherwise rocky summer for HBO, which has been dogged for weeks by a hack and by controversy surrounding the announcement of a new drama in development, “Confederate.”
The only other bad bit of news for HBO — and the show’s fans? The next and final season of “Game of Thrones,” which is to have six episodes, won’t have its premiere for some time — possibly in 2019. HBO is also developing potential “Thrones” prequels.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/28/arts/television/game-of-thrones-finale-sets-ratings-record.html?mcubz=3

@"Mike Olson" said: Also there isn't enough time for that plot twist to play out. 

As an aside Cersei may die in childbirth to a Dwarf. She isn't supposed to have more than 3 children by prophecy. She is said to be killed by little brother.... Which is why she hates Tyrion.... But Jaime was born moments after her..... AND he just set off for the North, and likely impregnated her. If she is in fact prgenant. 

@"wiviking" said:

But Cersi had a son with Robert before her three little inbreds. That one supposedly died while still a baby. But Gendry really doesn't fit into the plot anywhere. So, my theory is that the baby hadn't died. But at that point in her life, Cersei wasn't completely evil yet. So she sent their son away. And now, her and Roberts son has joined Jon.

It's been awhile since I read the books...  but I believe Gendry was a bastard from some whore that Robert slept with in a brothel, not Cersei. The only children Cersei had were fathered by Jaime (her brother), not Robert. 

@"Wetlander" said: It's been awhile since I read the books...  but I believe Gendry was a bastard from some whore that Robert slept with in a brothel, not Cersei. The only children Cersei had were fathered by Jaime (her brother), not Robert.