Where will Kirk end up?

@"pattersaur" said:  Kirk gives us the best shot to do that. I just wish the team wasn’t so under the barrel as it pertains to negotiations with Kirk. 

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: Here is what Florio had to say of Minnesota’s approach to the Cousins negotiation:

The Vikings are playing a dangerous game of chicken here if they want him. Maybe they don’t and they’re looking for a way to ease out of it. But if they want him, Zygi, Mark, Kevin, Kwesi, you’re going to blow it. You need to get it done now. You definitely need to get it done before Mike McCartney, his agent, goes to Indianapolis and has all the tampering meetings that we know are going to occur. Because he’s going to come out of Indy knowing exactly what the Falcons will pay, exactly what anyone else will pay and it’s going to be too late. I guarantee you. You got 10 days, Vikings. You got 10 days. The clock is ticking. You got 10 days. If you wait, Kirk’s going to be gone. And if you don’t want him, that’s fine. But if you want him, you better get your asses moving.

That 10-day timeframe to get the deal done has now dwindled to just one week with the NFL scouting combine set to begin next Monday on February 26th. Cousins, who is coming off an Achilles injury in 2023, is set to enter free agency for the first time since signing with the Vikings back in 2018. Since then, he has ensured that he continuously has guaranteed contracts in place.

https://purpleptsd.com/2024/vikings/opinion/nfl-analyst-vikings/

Florio speaks as if this is a one-sided negotiation. It's also possible that the Vikings are NOT sitting on their hands, have made their best offer, and Kirk just wants to see if another team is willing to offer more guaranteed or a longer term. I mean...isn't this possible as well? 

I'm just not sure how the Vikings all of a sudden sweeten their offer from last offseason when they couldn't come to an agreement on an extension with Kirk now another year older and coming off a major injury that might cause him to miss the start of the season. How do we go from not extending him last offseason to all of a sudden giving him a 3 year guaranteed big money deal based on the circumstances? 

The Cousins free agency saga is the NFL story of the offseason. I still have to believe the Vikings have a hard line in the sand and Kirk probably gets a better offer from another team. 

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: Here is what Florio had to say of Minnesota’s approach to the Cousins negotiation:

The Vikings are playing a dangerous game of chicken here if they want him. Maybe they don’t and they’re looking for a way to ease out of it. But if they want him, Zygi, Mark, Kevin, Kwesi, you’re going to blow it. You need to get it done now. You definitely need to get it done before Mike McCartney, his agent, goes to Indianapolis and has all the tampering meetings that we know are going to occur. Because he’s going to come out of Indy knowing exactly what the Falcons will pay, exactly what anyone else will pay and it’s going to be too late. I guarantee you. You got 10 days, Vikings. You got 10 days. The clock is ticking. You got 10 days. If you wait, Kirk’s going to be gone. And if you don’t want him, that’s fine. But if you want him, you better get your asses moving.

That 10-day timeframe to get the deal done has now dwindled to just one week with the NFL scouting combine set to begin next Monday on February 26th. Cousins, who is coming off an Achilles injury in 2023, is set to enter free agency for the first time since signing with the Vikings back in 2018. Since then, he has ensured that he continuously has guaranteed contracts in place.

https://purpleptsd.com/2024/vikings/opinion/nfl-analyst-vikings/

Florio speaks as if this is a one-sided negotiation. It's also possible that the Vikings are NOT sitting on their hands, have made their best offer, and Kirk just wants to see if another team is willing to offer more guaranteed or a longer term. I mean...isn't this possible as well? 

I'm just not sure how the Vikings all of a sudden sweeten their offer from last offseason when they couldn't come to an agreement on an extension with Kirk now another year older and coming off a major injury that might cause him to miss the start of the season. How do we go from not extending him last offseason to all of a sudden giving him a 3 year guaranteed big money deal based on the circumstances? 

The Cousins free agency saga is the NFL story of the offseason. I still have to believe the Vikings have a hard line in the sand and Kirk probably gets a better offer from another team. 

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: Here is what Florio had to say of Minnesota’s approach to the Cousins negotiation:

The Vikings are playing a dangerous game of chicken here if they want him. Maybe they don’t and they’re looking for a way to ease out of it. But if they want him, Zygi, Mark, Kevin, Kwesi, you’re going to blow it. You need to get it done now. You definitely need to get it done before Mike McCartney, his agent, goes to Indianapolis and has all the tampering meetings that we know are going to occur. Because he’s going to come out of Indy knowing exactly what the Falcons will pay, exactly what anyone else will pay and it’s going to be too late. I guarantee you. You got 10 days, Vikings. You got 10 days. The clock is ticking. You got 10 days. If you wait, Kirk’s going to be gone. And if you don’t want him, that’s fine. But if you want him, you better get your asses moving.

That 10-day timeframe to get the deal done has now dwindled to just one week with the NFL scouting combine set to begin next Monday on February 26th. Cousins, who is coming off an Achilles injury in 2023, is set to enter free agency for the first time since signing with the Vikings back in 2018. Since then, he has ensured that he continuously has guaranteed contracts in place.

https://purpleptsd.com/2024/vikings/opinion/nfl-analyst-vikings/

Florio speaks as if this is a one-sided negotiation. It's also possible that the Vikings are NOT sitting on their hands, have made their best offer, and Kirk just wants to see if another team is willing to offer more guaranteed or a longer term. I mean...isn't this possible as well? 

The Cousins free agency saga is the NFL story of the offseason. I still have to believe the Vikings have a hard line in the sand and Kirk probably gets a better offer from another team. 

Yep, I think so....at least about a hard line from the Vikings. 

We'll find out what Kirk is really all about and if he really is true to his word that he wants to be a Viking and would take less money to do so. Nothing about the way he has operated his entire career would lead me believe that there is any validity to that and you know there will be a team or two that come at him with bigger contract offers..

If Kirko returns then drafting our QBOTF becomes even more of a priority. Because a Kirko led Vikings team will win more games resulting in lower draft positions. You have the perfect storm of a deep QB pool & the highest first round pick that we've had in a number of years. Time to pull the trigger.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: Here is what Florio had to say of Minnesota’s approach to the Cousins negotiation:

The Vikings are playing a dangerous game of chicken here if they want him. Maybe they don’t and they’re looking for a way to ease out of it. But if they want him, Zygi, Mark, Kevin, Kwesi, you’re going to blow it. You need to get it done now. You definitely need to get it done before Mike McCartney, his agent, goes to Indianapolis and has all the tampering meetings that we know are going to occur. Because he’s going to come out of Indy knowing exactly what the Falcons will pay, exactly what anyone else will pay and it’s going to be too late. I guarantee you. You got 10 days, Vikings. You got 10 days. The clock is ticking. You got 10 days. If you wait, Kirk’s going to be gone. And if you don’t want him, that’s fine. But if you want him, you better get your asses moving.

That 10-day timeframe to get the deal done has now dwindled to just one week with the NFL scouting combine set to begin next Monday on February 26th. Cousins, who is coming off an Achilles injury in 2023, is set to enter free agency for the first time since signing with the Vikings back in 2018. Since then, he has ensured that he continuously has guaranteed contracts in place.

https://purpleptsd.com/2024/vikings/opinion/nfl-analyst-vikings/

Florio speaks as if this is a one-sided negotiation. It's also possible that the Vikings are NOT sitting on their hands, have made their best offer, and Kirk just wants to see if another team is willing to offer more guaranteed or a longer term. I mean...isn't this possible as well? 

I'm just not sure how the Vikings all of a sudden sweeten their offer from last offseason when they couldn't come to an agreement on an extension with Kirk now another year older and coming off a major injury that might cause him to miss the start of the season. How do we go from not extending him last offseason to all of a sudden giving him a 3 year guaranteed big money deal based on the circumstances? 

The Cousins free agency saga is the NFL story of the offseason. I still have to believe the Vikings have a hard line in the sand and Kirk probably gets a better offer from another team. 

The situation is different every year. The roster is different. We now have Addison, Pace, Flores and a pick in the top 11. None of which we had during the prior negotiation. The money is different. We no longer have Thielen, Cook, Peterson and Z. We also now have roughly $130M in cap space for 2025.

Kirk is different as well. Yes, he's a year older and recovering from an injury. Big factors to be sure. But one of the big questions last year was how would he look returning to the same offense for the first time in 7 seasons. We have the answer to that question now: REALLY FREAKING GOOD. So putting Kirk in that same offense for year three is very promising, and might be worth adding some flexibility to the financial vision. 

I think a rigid financial strategy that doesn't have flexibility to allow for changing facts is a big mistake. "A sign of intellect is the ability to change your mind in the face of new facts." --somebody smart.

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: Here is what Florio had to say of Minnesota’s approach to the Cousins negotiation:

The Vikings are playing a dangerous game of chicken here if they want him. Maybe they don’t and they’re looking for a way to ease out of it. But if they want him, Zygi, Mark, Kevin, Kwesi, you’re going to blow it. You need to get it done now. You definitely need to get it done before Mike McCartney, his agent, goes to Indianapolis and has all the tampering meetings that we know are going to occur. Because he’s going to come out of Indy knowing exactly what the Falcons will pay, exactly what anyone else will pay and it’s going to be too late. I guarantee you. You got 10 days, Vikings. You got 10 days. The clock is ticking. You got 10 days. If you wait, Kirk’s going to be gone. And if you don’t want him, that’s fine. But if you want him, you better get your asses moving.

That 10-day timeframe to get the deal done has now dwindled to just one week with the NFL scouting combine set to begin next Monday on February 26th. Cousins, who is coming off an Achilles injury in 2023, is set to enter free agency for the first time since signing with the Vikings back in 2018. Since then, he has ensured that he continuously has guaranteed contracts in place.

https://purpleptsd.com/2024/vikings/opinion/nfl-analyst-vikings/

Florio speaks as if this is a one-sided negotiation. It's also possible that the Vikings are NOT sitting on their hands, have made their best offer, and Kirk just wants to see if another team is willing to offer more guaranteed or a longer term. I mean...isn't this possible as well? 

The Cousins free agency saga is the NFL story of the offseason. I still have to believe the Vikings have a hard line in the sand and Kirk probably gets a better offer from another team. 

Yep, I think so....at least about a hard line from the Vikings. 

We'll find out what Kirk is really all about and if he really is true to his word that he wants to be a Viking and would take less money to do so. Nothing about the way he has operated his entire career would lead me believe that there is any validity to that and you know there will be a team or two that come at him with bigger contract offers..

@"Knucklehead" said: If Kirko returns then drafting our QBOTF becomes even more of a priority. Because a Kirko led Vikings team will win more games resulting in lower draft positions. You have the perfect storm of a deep QB pool & the highest first round pick that we've had in a number of years. Time to pull the trigger.

@"medaille" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: Here is what Florio had to say of Minnesota’s approach to the Cousins negotiation:

The Vikings are playing a dangerous game of chicken here if they want him. Maybe they don’t and they’re looking for a way to ease out of it. But if they want him, Zygi, Mark, Kevin, Kwesi, you’re going to blow it. You need to get it done now. You definitely need to get it done before Mike McCartney, his agent, goes to Indianapolis and has all the tampering meetings that we know are going to occur. Because he’s going to come out of Indy knowing exactly what the Falcons will pay, exactly what anyone else will pay and it’s going to be too late. I guarantee you. You got 10 days, Vikings. You got 10 days. The clock is ticking. You got 10 days. If you wait, Kirk’s going to be gone. And if you don’t want him, that’s fine. But if you want him, you better get your asses moving.

That 10-day timeframe to get the deal done has now dwindled to just one week with the NFL scouting combine set to begin next Monday on February 26th. Cousins, who is coming off an Achilles injury in 2023, is set to enter free agency for the first time since signing with the Vikings back in 2018. Since then, he has ensured that he continuously has guaranteed contracts in place.

https://purpleptsd.com/2024/vikings/opinion/nfl-analyst-vikings/

Florio speaks as if this is a one-sided negotiation. It's also possible that the Vikings are NOT sitting on their hands, have made their best offer, and Kirk just wants to see if another team is willing to offer more guaranteed or a longer term. I mean...isn't this possible as well? 

The Cousins free agency saga is the NFL story of the offseason. I still have to believe the Vikings have a hard line in the sand and Kirk probably gets a better offer from another team. 

Yep, I think so....at least about a hard line from the Vikings. 

We'll find out what Kirk is really all about and if he really is true to his word that he wants to be a Viking and would take less money to do so. Nothing about the way he has operated his entire career would lead me believe that there is any validity to that and you know there will be a team or two that come at him with bigger contract offers..

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/30/-kirk-cousins-turned-down-90-million-from-the-jets-to-join-the-vikings.html

Here is a link stating that Cousins turned down a bigger offer to become a Viking.

@"Knucklehead" said: If Kirko returns then drafting our QBOTF becomes even more of a priority. Because a Kirko led Vikings team will win more games resulting in lower draft positions. You have the perfect storm of a deep QB pool & the highest first round pick that we've had in a number of years. Time to pull the trigger.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Knucklehead" said: If Kirko returns then drafting our QBOTF becomes even more of a priority. Because a Kirko led Vikings team will win more games resulting in lower draft positions. You have the perfect storm of a deep QB pool & the highest first round pick that we've had in a number of years. Time to pull the trigger.

Couldn't agree more. I think the only thing that might possibly move the Vikings off QB in the draft is a 3-year deal for Kirk. And even THEN, I'd take one. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

From Albert Breer:

"The Vikings did touch base with Cousins' camp last week, as they got their pre-combine meetings going, so the lines of communication are open. More clarity could come... next week. The current MN brass, now going into its 3rd season, really likes Cousins, but it's also been made clear that they're not going to go contractually where the previous regime did twice, and give Cousins a fully guaranteed deal."

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Knucklehead" said: If Kirko returns then drafting our QBOTF becomes even more of a priority. Because a Kirko led Vikings team will win more games resulting in lower draft positions. You have the perfect storm of a deep QB pool & the highest first round pick that we've had in a number of years. Time to pull the trigger.

why do you bring Kirk back,  but then not use every opportunity to improve the team around him?  IMO you are either all in with Kirk,  or all in with a rebuild,  the half assed approach of the last couple years sucks as it did little/nothing to address the core problems this team has been facing for a long time and that is the trenches.

@"medaille" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Knucklehead" said: If Kirko returns then drafting our QBOTF becomes even more of a priority. Because a Kirko led Vikings team will win more games resulting in lower draft positions. You have the perfect storm of a deep QB pool & the highest first round pick that we've had in a number of years. Time to pull the trigger.

why do you bring Kirk back,  but then not use every opportunity to improve the team around him?  IMO you are either all in with Kirk,  or all in with a rebuild,  the half assed approach of the last couple years sucks as it did little/nothing to address the core problems this team has been facing for a long time and that is the trenches.

At some point you need to find your QBOTF.  We're definitely within the ballpark of Cousins aging out of the NFL, so you have to ask yourself, how is that transition going to happen.  Are you going to go all in, with no QB plan beyond Cousins and just deal with the desperation then, or do you get your guy before you need him and roll the dice on him not only being the next guy, but also potentially an upgrade.
I think that unless you have that guy who's taking you deep into the playoffs every year, you need be trying to find the guy who can.
I like Cousins, but he's always been a good stats poor results guy and also, it's not a given that he'll even be the same Cousins back from his injury.

In my perfect scenario Kirk gets signed to a 1 year contract with a 2nd year option, Vikings draft a future QB in the top 10.
What will really happen is Kirk gets signed to a 3 year deal and no QBs taken from this great class, maybe another 4th or 5th rounder. Its just how they roll.

@"kmillard" said: In my perfect scenario Kirk gets signed to a 1 year contract with a 2nd year option, Vikings draft a future QB in the top 10. What will really happen is Kirk gets signed to a 3 year deal and no QBs taken from this great class, maybe another 4th or 5th rounder. Its just how they roll.

@"Greylock" said:

@"kmillard" said: In my perfect scenario Kirk gets signed to a 1 year contract with a 2nd year option, Vikings draft a future QB in the top 10. What will really happen is Kirk gets signed to a 3 year deal and no QBs taken from this great class, maybe another 4th or 5th rounder. Its just how they roll.

Kirk is out for himself, coming off a major injury and heading into his late 30's he knows this is his last chance to get a high dollar contract.  No hometown discount and fully guaranteed is the only deal he will consider signing.  Good luck Kirk finding some team that will cave to your demands.  What ever team he signs that guaranteed deal with hope he enjoys watching the playoffs from his couch. 

I think the bigger factor here with Kirk is are we a team that can be a Super Bowl contender this year or next, if so then it is worth going all in on Kirk, however based on what we have seen with this team even the year when we went 13-4 is that they are not at the level of the elite teams.  There are so many holes on this team and the patchwork job did not work.  With investing that money in Kirk, we are probably going to continue to  be a borderline team for the next 2-3 years, which is not necessarily an awful thing as many teams do not get to that level, but would sure be nice to be a true contender, which is not something we have seen in a very long time.

@"Greylock" said:

@"kmillard" said: In my perfect scenario Kirk gets signed to a 1 year contract with a 2nd year option, Vikings draft a future QB in the top 10. What will really happen is Kirk gets signed to a 3 year deal and no QBs taken from this great class, maybe another 4th or 5th rounder. Its just how they roll.

Kirk is out for himself, coming off a major injury and heading into his late 30's he knows this is his last chance to get a high dollar contract.  No hometown discount and fully guaranteed is the only deal he will consider signing.  Good luck Kirk finding some team that will cave to your demands.  What ever team he signs that guaranteed deal with hope he enjoys watching the playoffs from his couch.