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@"comet52" said: Richardson will be the next Jamarcus Russell.

Russell's biggest problem was work ethic. He didn't put the time in, and by his 2nd season his ass was the size of Arkansas. I don't think AR has the same character issues. And he's a better athlete. Russell was basically Chris Doleman playing QB.

If this QB class plays out like most, one of these guys will be good, one will be OK and other two will bust.
If I were to pick one QB for each, I would say Levis is the good one, Young the OK one and the other two the busts. And I fully realize I'm in the minority on that. 

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@"MaroonBells" said: If this QB class plays out like most, one of these guys will be good, one will be OK and other two will bust. If I were to pick one QB for each, I would say Levis is the good one, Young the OK one and the other two the busts. And I fully realize I'm in the minority on that. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"comet52" said: Richardson will be the next Jamarcus Russell.

The Raiders are still paying for that mistake. Whoever takes AR won't be investing quite as much.

Russell's biggest problem was work ethic. He didn't put the time in, and by his 2nd season his ass was the size of Arkansas. I don't think AR has the same character issues. And he's a better athlete. Russell was basically Chris Doleman playing QB.

@"comet52" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"comet52" said: Richardson will be the next Jamarcus Russell.

The Raiders are still paying for that mistake. Whoever takes AR won't be investing quite as much.

Russell's biggest problem was work ethic. He didn't put the time in, and by his 2nd season his ass was the size of Arkansas. I don't think AR has the same character issues. And he's a better athlete. Russell was basically Chris Doleman playing QB.

I looked at Hooker, Young, Stroud, McKee, Levis and Richardson recently.  Just all-game stuff not highlight reels, and some of JT O'Sullivan's stuff.  My take was Stroud is the best prospect and Richardson is the worst.  Levis had the best arm but needs a lot of work.

I think Young is another Alabama guy whose game won't get beyond mid level in the NFL.  He doesn't have the elusiveness and creativity of small qbs like Murray/Wilson which is how those guys made it to big contracts.

@"supafreak84" said:

@"comet52" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"comet52" said: Richardson will be the next Jamarcus Russell.

The Raiders are still paying for that mistake. Whoever takes AR won't be investing quite as much.

Russell's biggest problem was work ethic. He didn't put the time in, and by his 2nd season his ass was the size of Arkansas. I don't think AR has the same character issues. And he's a better athlete. Russell was basically Chris Doleman playing QB.

I looked at Hooker, Young, Stroud, McKee, Levis and Richardson recently.  Just all-game stuff not highlight reels, and some of JT O'Sullivan's stuff.  My take was Stroud is the best prospect and Richardson is the worst.  Levis had the best arm but needs a lot of work.

I think Young is another Alabama guy whose game won't get beyond mid level in the NFL.  He doesn't have the elusiveness and creativity of small qbs like Murray/Wilson which is how those guys made it to big contracts.

I'm not sure how its not a consensus opinion that Stroud is the #1 QB in this draft. All you have to do is turn on the Georgia tape. Bryce Young would scare me as a GM because short guys that can run around is not the wave of the future that bucks years of trend. 5'10" maybe 185 pounds. People point to Kyler Murray, but even Murray was 22 pounds heavier and we've seen him banged up. When I've watched Young, I just worry about him winning from the pocket when its not a clean pocket. A lot of roll outs and getting him out of the pocket where he can see and he is accurate when using his legs. He is essentially the modern day Doug Flutie. 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"comet52" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"comet52" said: Richardson will be the next Jamarcus Russell.

The Raiders are still paying for that mistake. Whoever takes AR won't be investing quite as much.

Russell's biggest problem was work ethic. He didn't put the time in, and by his 2nd season his ass was the size of Arkansas. I don't think AR has the same character issues. And he's a better athlete. Russell was basically Chris Doleman playing QB.

I looked at Hooker, Young, Stroud, McKee, Levis and Richardson recently.  Just all-game stuff not highlight reels, and some of JT O'Sullivan's stuff.  My take was Stroud is the best prospect and Richardson is the worst.  Levis had the best arm but needs a lot of work.

I think Young is another Alabama guy whose game won't get beyond mid level in the NFL.  He doesn't have the elusiveness and creativity of small qbs like Murray/Wilson which is how those guys made it to big contracts.

I'm not sure how its not a consensus opinion that Stroud is the #1 QB in this draft. All you have to do is turn on the Georgia tape. Bryce Young would scare me as a GM because short guys that can run around is not the wave of the future that bucks years of trend. 5'10" maybe 185 pounds. People point to Kyler Murray, but even Murray was 22 pounds heavier and we've seen him banged up. When I've watched Young, I just worry about him winning from the pocket when its not a clean pocket. A lot of roll outs and getting him out of the pocket where he can see and he is accurate when using his legs. He is essentially the modern day Doug Flutie. 

And QBs that have to run are about as predictable and vulnerable as QBs like Cousins that never leave their spot in the pocket.  Ideally I wouldnt really want a QB that is under 6'3",  I know that there are plenty of exceptions ( Pat Mahomes )  but the shorter guys have to rely a lot more on arm angles and other things to create passing lanes, than a guy that can stand in there and fire it over the OL and defenders.  Im not saying a shorter QB cant have success,  but when we are talking about prospects that all need to develop,  the less obstacles the better IMO.

@"supafreak84" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"comet52" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"comet52" said: Richardson will be the next Jamarcus Russell.

The Raiders are still paying for that mistake. Whoever takes AR won't be investing quite as much.

Russell's biggest problem was work ethic. He didn't put the time in, and by his 2nd season his ass was the size of Arkansas. I don't think AR has the same character issues. And he's a better athlete. Russell was basically Chris Doleman playing QB.

I looked at Hooker, Young, Stroud, McKee, Levis and Richardson recently.  Just all-game stuff not highlight reels, and some of JT O'Sullivan's stuff.  My take was Stroud is the best prospect and Richardson is the worst.  Levis had the best arm but needs a lot of work.

I think Young is another Alabama guy whose game won't get beyond mid level in the NFL.  He doesn't have the elusiveness and creativity of small qbs like Murray/Wilson which is how those guys made it to big contracts.

I'm not sure how its not a consensus opinion that Stroud is the #1 QB in this draft. All you have to do is turn on the Georgia tape. Bryce Young would scare me as a GM because short guys that can run around is not the wave of the future that bucks years of trend. 5'10" maybe 185 pounds. People point to Kyler Murray, but even Murray was 22 pounds heavier and we've seen him banged up. When I've watched Young, I just worry about him winning from the pocket when its not a clean pocket. A lot of roll outs and getting him out of the pocket where he can see and he is accurate when using his legs. He is essentially the modern day Doug Flutie. 

And QBs that have to run are about as predictable and vulnerable as QBs like Cousins that never leave their spot in the pocket.  Ideally I wouldnt really want a QB that is under 6'3",  I know that there are plenty of exceptions ( Pat Mahomes )  but the shorter guys have to rely a lot more on arm angles and other things to create passing lanes, than a guy that can stand in there and fire it over the OL and defenders.  Im not saying a shorter QB cant have success,  but when we are talking about prospects that all need to develop,  the less obstacles the better IMO.

To me, 6' and 200 pounds is the minimum standard for an NFL QB and Young is below both those standards. Sure, there have been smaller QB's that have had some success in the league but those guys are rare and even then, were not thought to be elite level QB's. Kyler Murray is kind of carrying that flag and hope, but how many coaching candidates turned down the Cardinals job because they didn't want to be saddled with Murray and his attitude/limitations? So, the Bryce Young stuff is surprising to me. I understand he's from the football factory that is Alabama and won the Heisman, but I wouldn't gamble on him with a top 20 pick. 

Stroud, Levis, and Richardson will all throw at the combine. Young will not, and just be doing the measurements. Will throw at his Pro Day 

@"supafreak84" said: https://youtu.be/K2oSbwycSik

Interesting take in favor of Will Levis 

And unlike most college QBs who get shell-shocked by the amount of pressure and tight passing windows, Levis has been dealing with this for the last two years. 

Like others have said, landing spot is so important. Jalen Hurts played like a top 5 QB this season. Wentz did it before him for a cup of coffee. Different regimes in Philly but clearly they're doing something right. Lamar in Baltimore has had the offense tailored around his skillset. There were plenty on this board and on PT who wanted Hurts and he was sitting right there, but would he have developed with us? Who knows. Geno Smith is another guy who floundered but given a change of scenery/coaching, looked much better. Baker Mayfield to a small degree as well.

The good news is I have faith in KO. Much moreso than any of the previous few regimes, specifically when it comes to developing a QB and an offense.

So the Vikings have to either roll with vets via FA/trade, or trust their staff to develop someone who probably isn't a Day 1 starter like the Lawrences and Burrows of the world. Is this year the time to grab a toolsy rookie? I would say yes but I can see both sides of that argument too. Having so few picks and so many holes definitely puts us behind the 8 ball as far as maneuverability.
EDIT- To add, an extra first rounder in 2023 from DET for moving back last year would have been so big. Sadly it didn't happen. I also was a proponent of trying to accumulate future picks when Spielman was still running things but when your job is on the line as his clearly was, that's tough to do. For a team that won 13 games last year in a division that's wide open, we find ourselves in a pretty tricky spot. That's why the guys running the team make millions I suppose!

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"comet52" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"comet52" said: Richardson will be the next Jamarcus Russell.

The Raiders are still paying for that mistake. Whoever takes AR won't be investing quite as much.

Russell's biggest problem was work ethic. He didn't put the time in, and by his 2nd season his ass was the size of Arkansas. I don't think AR has the same character issues. And he's a better athlete. Russell was basically Chris Doleman playing QB.

I looked at Hooker, Young, Stroud, McKee, Levis and Richardson recently.  Just all-game stuff not highlight reels, and some of JT O'Sullivan's stuff.  My take was Stroud is the best prospect and Richardson is the worst.  Levis had the best arm but needs a lot of work.

I think Young is another Alabama guy whose game won't get beyond mid level in the NFL.  He doesn't have the elusiveness and creativity of small qbs like Murray/Wilson which is how those guys made it to big contracts.

I'm not sure how its not a consensus opinion that Stroud is the #1 QB in this draft. All you have to do is turn on the Georgia tape. Bryce Young would scare me as a GM because short guys that can run around is not the wave of the future that bucks years of trend. 5'10" maybe 185 pounds. People point to Kyler Murray, but even Murray was 22 pounds heavier and we've seen him banged up. When I've watched Young, I just worry about him winning from the pocket when its not a clean pocket. A lot of roll outs and getting him out of the pocket where he can see and he is accurate when using his legs. He is essentially the modern day Doug Flutie. 

And QBs that have to run are about as predictable and vulnerable as QBs like Cousins that never leave their spot in the pocket.  Ideally I wouldnt really want a QB that is under 6'3",  I know that there are plenty of exceptions ( Pat Mahomes )  but the shorter guys have to rely a lot more on arm angles and other things to create passing lanes, than a guy that can stand in there and fire it over the OL and defenders.  Im not saying a shorter QB cant have success,  but when we are talking about prospects that all need to develop,  the less obstacles the better IMO.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said: https://youtu.be/K2oSbwycSik

Interesting take in favor of Will Levis 

And he doesn't even mention one of the biggest factors. Levis played in a pro style offense. What you saw him do this year and last was very similar to what he'll be asked to do in the NFL. 

And unlike most college QBs who get shell-shocked by the amount of pressure and tight passing windows, Levis has been dealing with this for the last two years. 

I don't think it will go this way, but this is how I would rank them:

1. Stroud
2. Levis
3. Young
4. Hooker
5. Richardson

how many guys would run out and buy their wives a Hooker jersey if he was to become a Viking?

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said: https://youtu.be/K2oSbwycSik

Interesting take in favor of Will Levis 

And he doesn't even mention one of the biggest factors. Levis played in a pro style offense. What you saw him do this year and last was very similar to what he'll be asked to do in the NFL. 

And unlike most college QBs who get shell-shocked by the amount of pressure and tight passing windows, Levis has been dealing with this for the last two years. 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"comet52" said: Richardson will be the next Jamarcus Russell.

Could be, but not quite the epic failure as the consensus #1 overall pick. 

My point is not the Richardson is going to succeed necessarily, but that he's going to be drafted very highly for his potential. GMs can't help themselves.

@"MarkSP18" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said: https://youtu.be/K2oSbwycSik

Interesting take in favor of Will Levis 

And he doesn't even mention one of the biggest factors. Levis played in a pro style offense. What you saw him do this year and last was very similar to what he'll be asked to do in the NFL. 

And unlike most college QBs who get shell-shocked by the amount of pressure and tight passing windows, Levis has been dealing with this for the last two years. 

Not only did he play in a pro style offense, his OC/QB coach was Liam Coan who was the assistant QB coach for the Rams under O'Connell.  If you check videos of Levis, there will be many bad ones from those that do not like him, but what he does well and will have to do in the NFL is throw from an imperfect pocket.  He makes tons of throws under duress.