Ngakoue to Vikings

Adding that chess piece is awesome...They'll end-up moving those DE's around and you can bet Capers was whispering sweet schemes in Zimmer's, Pattersons and RS's ear the last few days too...

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/yannick-ngakoue-trade-grade-vikings-best-jaguars-in-deal-struck-for-pro-bowl-pass-rusher/

https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/news/what-does-yannick-ngakoue-trade-mean-for-minnesota-vikings

That article also made a good point...  one reason this trade probably happened is Trader Rick's ability to accumulate extra draft capital. 

I know this is a common complaint here (all the trading down and around), but I don't think we make this move without Rick getting an extra 4th and 5th in next year's draft.  Add in the compensatory pick for Waynes, and as Maroon pointed out above, we have tremendous flexibility to get back a 2nd if we want it.

Just another interesting aspect of this trade.  This really brightens my outlook for the defense this season.  Even without Pierce, we're loaded along the DL, have Barr and Kendricks at LB, the best safety tandem in the NFL, and some young CBs who are appear to be playing well beyond their years...

BOOM

@"StickyBun" said: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/yannick-ngakoue-trade-grade-vikings-best-jaguars-in-deal-struck-for-pro-bowl-pass-rusher/

@"Wetlander" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: Vikings lose their 2021 2nd rounder and a conditional 3-5 pick in the Ngakoue trade, but still have their 1st, two 3rds, three 4ths, two 5ths and two 6ths. 

So that conditional pick will be fairly painless. What's more, I wouldn't be surprised to see Rick figure out a way to use his extra picks to recoup a 2nd.

1. Vikings’ first round pick
2. Vikings’ second round pick (Ngakoue trade)
3. Vikings’ third round pick
4. Compensatory third round pick (Trae Waynes)
5. Vikings’ fourth round pick
6. Buffalo Bills’ fourth round pick (Stefon Diggs trade)
7. Chicago Bears’ fourth round pick (Draft day trade) (estimated Ngakoue trade)
8. Vikings’ fifth round pick
9. Baltimore Ravens’ fifth round pick (Draft day trade)
10. Vikings’ sixth round pick
11. Compensatory sixth round pick (Mackensie Alexander)
12. Vikings’ seventh round pick

The conditional pick is in 2022 so the Vikings only lose their 2nd round pick in the next draft.

@"Tyr" said: It will be interesting to see how long it takes Ngakoue to get up to speed. I'm sure they can work him in on some sub packages early on and Odenigbo can hold the fort in the mean time. Plus in obvious passing downs, Odenigbo can move back inside and help cover for the lack of pass rush that we have at DT. Plus, both Hunter and Ngakoue are only 25, so if they can agree to a long term deal with Ngakoue, then Vikings should have a nice tandem of pass rushers for at least the next 5-years. They just need to make sure that they finally do something about 3T in 2021.

@"Wetlander" said: That article also made a good point...  one reason this trade probably happened is Trader Rick's ability to accumulate extra draft capital. 

I know this is a common complaint here (all the trading down and around), but I don't think we make this move without Rick getting an extra 4th and 5th in next year's draft.  Add in the compensatory pick for Waynes, and as Maroon pointed out above, we have tremendous flexibility to get back a 2nd if we want it.

Just another interesting aspect of this trade.  This really brightens my outlook for the defense this season.  Even without Pierce, we're loaded along the DL, have Barr and Kendricks at LB, the best safety tandem in the NFL, and some young CBs who are appear to be playing well beyond their years...

BOOM

@"Wetlander" said: That article also made a good point...  one reason this trade probably happened is Trader Rick's ability to accumulate extra draft capital. 

I know this is a common complaint here (all the trading down and around), but I don't think we make this move without Rick getting an extra 4th and 5th in next year's draft.  Add in the compensatory pick for Waynes, and as Maroon pointed out above, we have tremendous flexibility to get back a 2nd if we want it.

Just another interesting aspect of this trade.  This really brightens my outlook for the defense this season.  Even without Pierce, we're loaded along the DL, have Barr and Kendricks at LB, the best safety tandem in the NFL, and some young CBs who are appear to be playing well beyond their years...

BOOM

the other good point is how this takes a lot of heat off DH too. Those baby corners can maybe sleep a little easier now.

Im not as convinced at the loss of EG hurting as badly as the national pundits are making it to be either. I would much, much rather have a 26 year old with this upside. 

Interesting how he never played over 75% of the snaps in Jax. He's going to have to get smarter/stouter vs the run. If I'm an NFL offense? I try running right at him. 

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"StickyBun" said: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/yannick-ngakoue-trade-grade-vikings-best-jaguars-in-deal-struck-for-pro-bowl-pass-rusher/

I agree with this, I dont think the Vikings fleeced the Jags...Now if he ends-up being another Danielle Hunter? I can say we got good ROI. Maybe not a win/win for both franchises, but the Jags shouldn't be embarrassed by this at all.

The defense will be interesting this year. Adding another pass rusher will help a lot and hopefully the can cover for the youth at CB and current mess at DT.

@"rf54" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"StickyBun" said: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/yannick-ngakoue-trade-grade-vikings-best-jaguars-in-deal-struck-for-pro-bowl-pass-rusher/

I agree with this, I dont think the Vikings fleeced the Jags...Now if he ends-up being another Danielle Hunter? I can say we got good ROI. Maybe not a win/win for both franchises, but the Jags shouldn't be embarrassed by this at all.

League still has to formally approve this correct???

The deal parameters as well as how the Vikings are going to fit him in this year?

Anyone else expect to hear of another Viking contract re-negotiated to pull this off within the cap?

Trade benefits Vikings both obviously and cynicallyThe Vikings’ trade for Yannick Ngakoue looks like a smart move on many levels, one that should improve a good defense and could alter the future of a needy offense.
The Vikings acquired a prolific young edge rusher who specializes in forcing fumbles for a couple of draft picks, after acquiring a few picks in the Stefon Diggs trade. If you want to view these deals as essentially a trade of a talented receiver who didn’t want to play for the Vikings for a disgruntled defensive end who is willing to take a pay cut to play for the Vikings, that’s a win for the organization.
The Vikings will get to bookend Ngakoue with the great Danielle Hunter, and while this development is not ideal for Ifeadi Odenigbo, who expected to play that role, the increased quality depth at defensive end will give the Vikings the ability to rest their pass rushers or employ extra rushers on the line in obvious passing situations.
Odenigbo is a fine young player, but he is relatively undersized and could be better as a part-time player than a starter — and he excelled as a part-time player in 2019.
An improved pass rush could be ideal for a group of young cornerbacks who will be tested all season, especially with the season starting with an important game against Aaron Rodgers and the Packers.
There is another, more cynical way that the trade for Ngakoue could benefit the Vikings:
It could keep them from making a mistake in signing running back Dalvin Cook to a long-term contract.
I feel guilty even typing that sentence. Cook is a wonderful player and a team leader. He puts himself at risk every time he touches the ball, and sometimes when he doesn’t. If the word “deserves” applies to professional sports, then Cook deserves to be compensated as the Vikings’ best offensive player and the player around whom they built their offense.
But the Vikings aren’t in the business of paying players what they “deserve.” They’re in the business of winning games while staying under the salary cap, and Ngakoue’s arrival could mean the end of meaningful negotiations with Cook.
After trading two draft picks for a key player, the Vikings are bound to try to sign Ngakoue to a long-term deal. After negotiations between the Vikings and Cook faltered, this gives General Manager Rick Spielman reason to not resume those talks.
And, cynically, that could be great for the franchise.
If the Vikings had paid Cook what he believes he’s worth, the extension probably would have totaled something like four years and about $50 million.
Is Cook worth that? Only if he remains healthy and productive and retains his current level of explosiveness, and fits into the team’s salary structure while NFL teams face the possibility of a reduced salary cap because of financial losses caused by the pandemic.
If Cook were injured or lost a step he would look something like current backup Alexander Mattison — a fine young player unlikely to ever command $50 million.
If the Vikings don’t sign Cook to an extension, Cook will be highly motivated to prove his worth this season, and if he excels again, the team could retain him for another season by placing the franchise tag on him.
Instead of signing him for four more years and praying he can stay healthy and explosive, the Vikings will get Cook for a cap-hit figure of about $2 million this year.
If Cook performs so well this season that the Vikings feel compelled to sign him to a long-term deal, they can find a way. NFL teams always find a way to sign the players they most value, unless they’re so dysfunctional that players want out.
Having two dynamic, productive 25-year-old edge rushers is ideal for Mike Zimmer and his defensive staff, and provides a better way to build a winner than throwing money at a running back, even if the running back is the exceptional Dalvin Cook.
https://www.startribune.com/trade-benefits-vikings-both-obviously-and-cynically/572268662/

https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.php?tid=33109

This is VERY exciting news. they were rightly  concerned with the interior pass rush and Odenigbo will likely see alot of interior snaps as well as spelling the starters. Brilliant move.  

@"StickyBun" said:

@"ArizonaViking" said: I would not be surprised considering the Viking's salary cap issues, that someone will be traded in the next few days to off-balance Ngakoue's salary...

Word is they want to renegotiate Reiff's contract.

Odenigbo and his agent are whining about this move. I personally never thought he was a full time player and is better served being a DE/DT that plays on run downs and gives occasional pressure. I think he's a limited player (Odenigbo). 

@"StickyBun" said: Odenigbo and his agent are whining about this move. I personally never thought he was a full time player and is better served being a DE/DT that plays on run downs and gives occasional pressure. I think he's a limited player (Odenigbo). 

https://www.theringer.com/2020/8/31/21408281/minnesota-vikings-yannick-ngakoue-nfl