Ngakoue to Vikings

@"MaroonBells" said: Vikings lose their 2021 2nd rounder and a conditional 3-5 pick in the Ngakoue trade, but still have their 1st, two 3rds, three 4ths, two 5ths and two 6ths. 

So that conditional pick will be fairly painless. What's more, I wouldn't be surprised to see Rick figure out a way to use his extra picks to recoup a 2nd.

1. Vikings’ first round pick
2. Vikings’ second round pick (Ngakoue trade)
3. Vikings’ third round pick
4. Compensatory third round pick (Trae Waynes)
5. Vikings’ fourth round pick
6. Buffalo Bills’ fourth round pick (Stefon Diggs trade)
7. Chicago Bears’ fourth round pick (Draft day trade) (estimated Ngakoue trade)
8. Vikings’ fifth round pick
9. Baltimore Ravens’ fifth round pick (Draft day trade)
10. Vikings’ sixth round pick
11. Compensatory sixth round pick (Mackensie Alexander)
12. Vikings’ seventh round pick

The conditional pick is in 2022 so the Vikings only lose their 2nd round pick in the next draft.

@"Wetlander" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: Vikings lose their 2021 2nd rounder and a conditional 3-5 pick in the Ngakoue trade, but still have their 1st, two 3rds, three 4ths, two 5ths and two 6ths. 

So that conditional pick will be fairly painless. What's more, I wouldn't be surprised to see Rick figure out a way to use his extra picks to recoup a 2nd.

1. Vikings’ first round pick
2. Vikings’ second round pick (Ngakoue trade)
3. Vikings’ third round pick
4. Compensatory third round pick (Trae Waynes)
5. Vikings’ fourth round pick
6. Buffalo Bills’ fourth round pick (Stefon Diggs trade)
7. Chicago Bears’ fourth round pick (Draft day trade) (estimated Ngakoue trade)
8. Vikings’ fifth round pick
9. Baltimore Ravens’ fifth round pick (Draft day trade)
10. Vikings’ sixth round pick
11. Compensatory sixth round pick (Mackensie Alexander)
12. Vikings’ seventh round pick

The conditional pick is in 2022 so the Vikings only lose their 2nd round pick in the next draft.

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— Chad Graff (@ChadGraff) August 30, 2020

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— Arif Hasan, but NFL 🏈 (@ArifHasanNFL) August 30, 2020

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New York Giants: How does Leonard Williams deal stack up against Yannick Ngakoue trade?When the New York Giants traded for Jets’ interior defensive lineman Leonard Williams in 2019, most were perplexed at the deal orchestrated by general manager Dave Gettleman. His obsession with interior lineman on both sides of the ball sparked this consumption, despite Williams under-performing the past few seasons.
Since his 2016 campaign, where he racked up 7.0 sacks, 68 combined tackles, and 19 quarterback hits, his play has consistently declined.
However, the potential with Williams is where the Giants were looking. In eight games with Big Blue, he tallied 0.5 sacks, 26 combined tackles, and 11 quarterback hits. He immediately became their best defender and interior pass rusher. With elite strength and the ability to draw double teams, hidden production is where most look to extract value from the 6-foot-5 defensive tackle.
Gettleman gave up a third and fifth-round pick for services, while the Jacksonville Jaguars traded star defensive end Yannick Ngakoue for a second and fifth-round pick on Sunday morning.
Comparing the New York Giants’ Leonard Williams deal with Yannick Ngakoue trade:Leonard Williams:
-3rd round pick
-5th round pick
As stated above, hidden production is usually where you can find Williams’ value to a team. His ability to draw double teams and open up opportunities for others is how he contributes. Nonetheless, the Giants are working on giving him the fundamentals and tools to turn his pressures into sacks. That has been his primary weakness, and recording a sack on Daniel Jones in Friday’s scrimmage should promote his elevation in 2020.
In addition, his chemistry with Dalvin Tomlinson and Dexter Lawrence should prove to be exponential. Theoretically, it will be impossible for offensive lines to contain three dominant New York Giants interior pass rushers. Hopefully, this will help Williams increase his value in the sack category, which has been his kryptonite in recent years.
Was he worth a third and fifth-round pick? That is yet to be seen. If he contributes in a significant way this upcoming season, the trade will have been worth it. Of course, the common argument is that he was bound for free agency anyway, so sending draft capital to the Jets might have been poor managing.
Yannick Ngakoue:
-2nd round pick
-5th round pick
The Minnesota Vikings traded with the Jacksonville Jaguars for Yannick Ngakoueon Sunday morning. They now have a duo of elite players at almost every defense of unit, and Ngakoue only adds to that. In 15 games last year, he posted 8.0 sacks with 15 quarterback hits and 13 tackles for loss. Interestingly, he missed 10 tackles for a 19.6% missed tackle rate. From a numbers standpoint, Yannick doesn’t seem to be an elite player, but he has the potential to be.
His displeasure might have played a part in his performance last year, but he has forced 14 fumbles in three seasons for the Jags. He will make the Vikings a better team, at not much more cost than Williams.
For the Giants, missing out on him isn’t necessarily a bad thing. They are in the middle of a rebuild, and spending valuable draft capital on a win-now move doesn’t make logical sense. For comparison’s sake, Yannick might have been the better trade last year, but seeing what Williams has to justify a long term deal isn’t a bad thing either.
The difference between a second and third-round pick is significant, so that factor shouldn’t be disregarded.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Wetlander" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: Vikings lose their 2021 2nd rounder and a conditional 3-5 pick in the Ngakoue trade, but still have their 1st, two 3rds, three 4ths, two 5ths and two 6ths. 

So that conditional pick will be fairly painless. What's more, I wouldn't be surprised to see Rick figure out a way to use his extra picks to recoup a 2nd.

1. Vikings’ first round pick
2. Vikings’ second round pick (Ngakoue trade)
3. Vikings’ third round pick
4. Compensatory third round pick (Trae Waynes)
5. Vikings’ fourth round pick
6. Buffalo Bills’ fourth round pick (Stefon Diggs trade)
7. Chicago Bears’ fourth round pick (Draft day trade) (estimated Ngakoue trade)
8. Vikings’ fifth round pick
9. Baltimore Ravens’ fifth round pick (Draft day trade)
10. Vikings’ sixth round pick
11. Compensatory sixth round pick (Mackensie Alexander)
12. Vikings’ seventh round pick

The conditional pick is in 2022 so the Vikings only lose their 2nd round pick in the next draft.

Oh...didn't realize that. Good to know. So recouping that 2nd will be even easier with five picks in rounds 3 and 4. 

@"MaroonBells" said: Vikings lose their 2021 2nd rounder and a conditional 3-5 pick in the Ngakoue trade, but still have their 1st, two 3rds, three 4ths, two 5ths and two 6ths. 

So that conditional pick will be fairly painless. What's more, I wouldn't be surprised to see Rick figure out a way to use his extra picks to recoup a 2nd.

1. Vikings’ first round pick
2. Vikings’ second round pick (Ngakoue trade)
3. Vikings’ third round pick
4. Compensatory third round pick (Trae Waynes)
5. Vikings’ fourth round pick
6. Buffalo Bills’ fourth round pick (Stefon Diggs trade)
7. Chicago Bears’ fourth round pick (Draft day trade) (estimated Ngakoue trade)
8. Vikings’ fifth round pick
9. Baltimore Ravens’ fifth round pick (Draft day trade)
10. Vikings’ sixth round pick
11. Compensatory sixth round pick (Mackensie Alexander)
12. Vikings’ seventh round pick

I understand Waynes pick may drop to a fourth because of his injury.

Dating back to the days of Jared Allen and Brian Robison, the Vikings enjoyed the luxury of two productive pass rushers on their four-man defensive line for all of the 2010s.
They’ll begin the 2020s, it appears, with two Pro Bowlers under the age of 26.
Sources with knowledge of the situation confirmed the team swung an early-morning trade Sunday with the Jaguars for defensive end Yannick Ngakoue, sending a 2021 second-round pick and a conditional 2022 fifth-rounder to Jacksonville for Ngakoue, who had been the subject of trade rumors for much of the offseason after the team placed the franchise tag on him. The tag would pay him $17.78 million for the 2020 season, but Ngakoue (who had not signed the tag or reported to camp) will reportedly take less to play the 2020 season for the Vikings, who had $12.2 million of available salary cap space as of Sunday morning.
The Vikings, sources said, stepped up their pursuit of Ngakoue after missing out on a chance to bring back Everson Griffen, who signed a one-year, $6 million deal with the Cowboys on Aug. 16. Sources said then the Vikings had made a competitive offer for Griffen, with coach Mike Zimmer leading the effort to convince the 32-year-old to return for another season. When Griffen signed with the Cowboys, the Vikings mobilized their 2021 draft capital to land Ngakoue.
They’d already stockpiled 12 draft picks for next year, landing a fourth-rounder as part of the Stefon Diggs trade, an extra fourth- and fifth-rounder in draft day trades this year and expecting to secure a third-round compensatory pick as a result of Trae Waynes’ departure in free agency.
Now that the Vikings have Ngakoue for 2020, questions remain about what they will do with him going forward.
They will have the ability to work out a long-term deal with the defensive end before next season, given the fact he didn’t sign his franchise tag, but the Vikings could have to contend with a salary cap that might drop in 2021 as a result of revenue declines from the COVID-19 pandemic keeping fans out of games in 2020. The deal for Ngakoue would seemingly make efforts to resuscitate contract talks with Dalvin Cook more difficult after the Vikings reached an impasse with Cook’s agent earlier this month; the team could place the franchise tag on Cook after the season, but will have to see if the running back’s pronouncements about being willing to play without a new deal change between now and the start of the regular season on Sept. 13.
The team will also have to see when it can put its new pass-rushing tandem on the field, given the fact Danielle Hunter has missed 10 straight practices with an injury that coach Mike Zimmer has only described as a “tweak.” Zimmer has said Hunter continues to improve, and indications on Sunday morning were the Vikings remain optimistic about Hunter being back soon.
Hunter, who restructured his 2020 salary to help the Vikings clear cap space this offseason, is only the 18th highest-paid defensive end in the league despite reaching 50 sacks faster than any player in NFL history. He is signed through 2023, but his pay rate could be a factor in how the Vikings approach discussions on a long-term deal for Ngakoue, as well.
In the meantime, though, they’ve again given co-defensive coordinator Andre Patterson bookend pass rushers, with the ability to play Ifeadi Odenigbo in different spots. The Vikings’ defensive approach has been built on the idea that a disruptive defensive line makes the difference, and they made a bold move to bolster it on Sunday morning.

https://www.startribune.com/vikings-to-acquire-pass-rusher-yannick-ngakoue-from-jacksonville-jaguars-sources-say/572267002/

that works!

The Vikings and DE Yannick Ngakoue worked overnight on an adjustment to his franchise tender, landing at a little under $13 million. That's down from $17.778 million. And Minnesota made clear its intention to do a long-term deal in '21.

So ... Ngakoue REALLY wanted out of Jax.

— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) August 30, 2020

To my new future team whomever it may be. I can’t wait to bring great discipline, integrity, and work ethic to that new city. Wherever I may land your going to get the hardest working defensive end in the league !🏁

— Yannick Ngakoue (@YannickNgakoue) April 20, 2020

After a full morning of calling him Yannick Noah, I finally figured out how to say his name:

Yah*Nick In*Gah*Kway

@"StickyBun" said:

@"ArizonaViking" said: I would not be surprised considering the Viking's salary cap issues, that someone will be traded in the next few days to off-balance Ngakoue's salary...

Word is they want to renegotiate Reiff's contract.

Remember all those who argued that paying Kirk Cousins would prevent us from fielding a competitive roster? Well, we've paid him for 3 seasons now and have him signed for two more. Meanwhile, we've been able to keep and/or sign Ngakoue, Hunter, Pierce, Kendricks, Barr, Harry, Harris, Rudolph, Thielen...and so far anyway, Cook is planning to play for us this season, hopefully allowing us to push that money to 2021, when contracts for Reiff, Rudy and maybe even Harry go off the books. I know that's a hard pill, but Harry has zero dead cap in '21. And about a $10M savings. 

I was not expecting this move at all. I figured that Odenigbo would at least be a decent starter and the bigger questions on the DL were a lack of talent at DT and no clear rotational DE. Ngakoue is "only" 6'2 245 with 32.5" arms, so I did not think that he'd fit the physical profile Zimmer usually looks for in a DE, but he's clearly been an effective if not dominant pass rusher, so production takes precedence over measurable. It's an opportunistic move for the Vikings. Jacksonville dropped their price for Ngakoue, Ngakoue took a pay cut to facilitate a move, & prior to the deal the Vikings were expected to have 14-picks in 2021, so moving a 2nd isn't as bad as it would normally be.

It will be interesting to see how long it takes Ngakoue to get up to speed. I'm sure they can work him in on some sub packages early on and Odenigbo can hold the fort in the mean time. Plus in obvious passing downs, Odenigbo can move back inside and help cover for the lack of pass rush that we have at DT. Plus, both Hunter and Ngakoue are only 25, so if they can agree to a long term deal with Ngakoue, then Vikings should have a nice tandem of pass rushers for at least the next 5-years. They just need to make sure that they finally do something about 3T in 2021.

@"MaroonBells" said: Remember all those who argued that paying Kirk Cousins would prevent us from fielding a competitive roster? Well, we've paid him for 3 seasons now and have him signed for two more. Meanwhile, we've been able to keep and/or sign Ngakoue, Hunter, Pierce, Kendricks, Barr, Harry, Harris, Rudolph, Thielen...and so far anyway, Cook is planning to play for us this season, hopefully allowing us to push that money to 2021, when contracts for Reiff, Rudy and maybe even Harry go off the books. I know that's a hard pill, but Harry has zero dead cap in '21. And about a $10M savings. 

I can definitely see Reiff gone next year, considering Ezra's waiting in the wings. And Anthony Harris might not stick next year, so there's that to ponder as well. But I still think guys like Harry, Rudy & Barr can stick next year with restructures that'll lessen the cap hit...or at least I hope so.

If anything, I'm just glad we have Brez on our side to worry about this and do his magic.

With Hunter and Ngakoue crashing on the edges on passing downs, it will sure take some of the pressure off our rookie and inexperienced corners...

@"MaroonBells" said: Remember all those who argued that paying Kirk Cousins would prevent us from fielding a competitive roster? Well, we've paid him for 3 seasons now and have him signed for two more. Meanwhile, we've been able to keep and/or sign Ngakoue, Hunter, Pierce, Kendricks, Barr, Harry, Harris, Rudolph, Thielen...and so far anyway, Cook is planning to play for us this season, hopefully allowing us to push that money to 2021, when contracts for Reiff, Rudy and maybe even Harry go off the books. I know that's a hard pill, but Harry has zero dead cap in '21. And about a $10M savings. 

I think Harrison is a prime restructure candidate.  No dead money, give him some guaranteed money, lower his cap hit, and let him retire in purple.