Sloter saves the day again LOL

Yes Sloter has looked good but what all the Sloter for QB proponents are forgetting is the game plan.  Its a vanilla offensive game plan.  We fans dont get to see how he looks in practice when they are diving deep into the play book.  I think thats what Zim is referring to when he says there is more to being a QB.  Can he recognize a defense, can he make the right audibles and get guys in the right place after he makes that call ?  He can look awesome against opponents 2s and 3s playing a vanilla defense but that doesnt mean squat if he sucks when the real play book gets pulled out.

@"Akvike" said:  Mannion's bio says has a nice personality--enough said.

@"Purple Haze" said: Yes Sloter has looked good but what all the Sloter for QB proponents are forgetting is the game plan.  Its a vanilla offensive game plan.  We fans dont get to see how he looks in practice when they are diving deep into the play book.  I think thats what Zim is referring to when he says there is more to being a QB.  Can he recognize a defense, can he make the right audibles and get guys in the right place after he makes that call ?  He can look awesome against opponents 2s and 3s playing a vanilla defense but that doesnt mean squat if he sucks when the real play book gets pulled out.

The Sloter love fest is amazing.  It reminds me of Taylor Heinicke to a degree.
The dude was extremely raw coming out of college having thrown only 320 passes.
He did OK in the meaningless end of preseason game and when Denver let him go the Vikings paid him more than anyone else.  But it was still less than a minimum contract for NFL players.
And he sat on the PS for 11 days.  The narrative that the Vikings beat other teams is silly.  They could have signed him to their 53 man roster in those 11 days.
He has already been the #2 QB during regular season games when Bradford got hurt and Teddy was still on the PUP.
Last year he could not keep that spot.  Why not?
If meaningless preseason games vs players who will be cut and who are not running anything complicated on defense is all it took to impress the coach then he would be back at the #2 spot.
He faces a tough defense every day in practice and I would venture a guess they have thrown some things at him.  Zimmer has seen this and it is my guess that this is why Zimmer is not ready to crown his arse.
It really is a waste of time.
If Cousins goes down for any length of time, then guess what?  At worst, Sloter will be in that #2 spot that many a Vikings fan is complaining about.

@"Purple Haze" said: Yes Sloter has looked good but what all the Sloter for QB proponents are forgetting is the game plan.  Its a vanilla offensive game plan.  We fans dont get to see how he looks in practice when they are diving deep into the play book.  I think thats what Zim is referring to when he says there is more to being a QB.  Can he recognize a defense, can he make the right audibles and get guys in the right place after he makes that call ?  He can look awesome against opponents 2s and 3s playing a vanilla defense but that doesnt mean squat if he sucks when the real play book gets pulled out.

@"MarkSP18" said:

The Sloter love fest is amazing.  It reminds me of Taylor Heinicke to a degree. The dude was extremely raw coming out of college having thrown only 320 passes. He did OK in the meaningless end of preseason game and when Denver let him go the Vikings paid him more than anyone else.  But it was still less than a minimum contract for NFL players. And he sat on the PS for 11 days.  The narrative that the Vikings beat other teams is silly.  They could have signed him to their 53 man roster in those 11 days. He has already been the #2 QB during regular season games when Bradford got hurt and Teddy was still on the PUP. Last year he could not keep that spot.  Why not? If meaningless preseason games vs players who will be cut and who are not running anything complicated on defense is all it took to impress the coach then he would be back at the #2 spot. He faces a tough defense every day in practice and I would venture a guess they have thrown some things at him.  Zimmer has seen this and it is my guess that this is why Zimmer is not ready to crown his arse. It really is a waste of time. If Cousins goes down for any length of time, then guess what?  At worst, Sloter will be in that #2 spot that many a Vikings fan is complaining about.

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MarkSP18" said:

The Sloter love fest is amazing.  It reminds me of Taylor Heinicke to a degree. The dude was extremely raw coming out of college having thrown only 320 passes. He did OK in the meaningless end of preseason game and when Denver let him go the Vikings paid him more than anyone else.  But it was still less than a minimum contract for NFL players. And he sat on the PS for 11 days.  The narrative that the Vikings beat other teams is silly.  They could have signed him to their 53 man roster in those 11 days. He has already been the #2 QB during regular season games when Bradford got hurt and Teddy was still on the PUP. Last year he could not keep that spot.  Why not? If meaningless preseason games vs players who will be cut and who are not running anything complicated on defense is all it took to impress the coach then he would be back at the #2 spot. He faces a tough defense every day in practice and I would venture a guess they have thrown some things at him.  Zimmer has seen this and it is my guess that this is why Zimmer is not ready to crown his arse. It really is a waste of time. If Cousins goes down for any length of time, then guess what?  At worst, Sloter will be in that #2 spot that many a Vikings fan is complaining about.

Agreed. Its preseason and I don't get how fans seem to forget that. 

Yes, the WR got elevated for playing against the 3rd and 4th string, but part of that is how he is doing in practice as well. We olny see the games on TV, the coaches see Sloter in practice and meetings and don't think he's ready....I'll trust them over people here that were just as high on Ponder in preseason.......

@"JoDakota" said: Yes, the WR got elevated for playing against the 3rd and 4th string, but part of that is how he is doing in practice as well. We olny see the games on TV, the coaches see Sloter in practice and meetings and don't think he's ready....I'll trust them over people here that were just as high on Ponder in preseason.......

@"mblack" said:

@"JoDakota" said: Yes, the WR got elevated for playing against the 3rd and 4th string, but part of that is how he is doing in practice as well. We olny see the games on TV, the coaches see Sloter in practice and meetings and don't think he's ready....I'll trust them over people here that were just as high on Ponder in preseason.......

I think we are on same page. The WR got elevated to practice with the starters but Sloter can't get a series with the 2s in a preseason game? Seriously what dies "ready" mean? He is playing very well with the 3-4th string. Actually, some of those players play with the second string if we want to he picky. It is starting to feel  like playing well at practice trump's playing well in games. I would think it's a mixture of both with some degree of flexibility. Again all I am asking is a few series. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"mblack" said:

@"JoDakota" said: Yes, the WR got elevated for playing against the 3rd and 4th string, but part of that is how he is doing in practice as well. We olny see the games on TV, the coaches see Sloter in practice and meetings and don't think he's ready....I'll trust them over people here that were just as high on Ponder in preseason.......

I think we are on same page. The WR got elevated to practice with the starters but Sloter can't get a series with the 2s in a preseason game? Seriously what dies "ready" mean? He is playing very well with the 3-4th string. Actually, some of those players play with the second string if we want to he picky. It is starting to feel  like playing well at practice trump's playing well in games. I would think it's a mixture of both with some degree of flexibility. Again all I am asking is a few series. 

And let's not forget what Sloter has said about it.  "it’s tough because right now they’re giving Sean the reps. I know I’ve got to be on point with the few reps that I do get. But I think that there’s a pretty clear reason why practice isn’t necessarily always 100 percent smooth is because I’m not out there getting the reps. It’s not an excuse. I’ve got to go out and perform my best no matter what the circumstances. But I’m a rhythm player. I feel like I’m a pretty instinctual player. I feel like when I get in the flow of the game … it’s easier to make throws rather than throwing one ball and then waiting 45 minutes to throw another.’’ Kid has a point. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"mblack" said:

@"JoDakota" said: Yes, the WR got elevated for playing against the 3rd and 4th string, but part of that is how he is doing in practice as well. We olny see the games on TV, the coaches see Sloter in practice and meetings and don't think he's ready....I'll trust them over people here that were just as high on Ponder in preseason.......

I think we are on same page. The WR got elevated to practice with the starters but Sloter can't get a series with the 2s in a preseason game? Seriously what dies "ready" mean? He is playing very well with the 3-4th string. Actually, some of those players play with the second string if we want to he picky. It is starting to feel  like playing well at practice trump's playing well in games. I would think it's a mixture of both with some degree of flexibility. Again all I am asking is a few series. 

And let's not forget what Sloter has said about it.  "it’s tough because right now they’re giving Sean the reps. I know I’ve got to be on point with the few reps that I do get. But I think that there’s a pretty clear reason why practice isn’t necessarily always 100 percent smooth is because I’m not out there getting the reps. It’s not an excuse. I’ve got to go out and perform my best no matter what the circumstances. But I’m a rhythm player. I feel like I’m a pretty instinctual player. I feel like when I get in the flow of the game … it’s easier to make throws rather than throwing one ball and then waiting 45 minutes to throw another.’’ Kid has a point. 

@"Wetlander" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"mblack" said:

@"JoDakota" said: Yes, the WR got elevated for playing against the 3rd and 4th string, but part of that is how he is doing in practice as well. We olny see the games on TV, the coaches see Sloter in practice and meetings and don't think he's ready....I'll trust them over people here that were just as high on Ponder in preseason.......

I think we are on same page. The WR got elevated to practice with the starters but Sloter can't get a series with the 2s in a preseason game? Seriously what dies "ready" mean? He is playing very well with the 3-4th string. Actually, some of those players play with the second string if we want to he picky. It is starting to feel  like playing well at practice trump's playing well in games. I would think it's a mixture of both with some degree of flexibility. Again all I am asking is a few series. 

And let's not forget what Sloter has said about it.  "it’s tough because right now they’re giving Sean the reps. I know I’ve got to be on point with the few reps that I do get. But I think that there’s a pretty clear reason why practice isn’t necessarily always 100 percent smooth is because I’m not out there getting the reps. It’s not an excuse. I’ve got to go out and perform my best no matter what the circumstances. But I’m a rhythm player. I feel like I’m a pretty instinctual player. I feel like when I get in the flow of the game … it’s easier to make throws rather than throwing one ball and then waiting 45 minutes to throw another.’’ Kid has a point. 

He does...  But this is now the 3rd offensive coaching staff (Shurmur, Defelippo, and Stefanski/Kubiak) that hasn't elevated him beyond QB3.

There has to be something going on from his mental approach or stuff he's doing in the QB room that gives the coaches pause about how well he would do against legit NFL talent.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Wetlander" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"mblack" said:

@"JoDakota" said: Yes, the WR got elevated for playing against the 3rd and 4th string, but part of that is how he is doing in practice as well. We olny see the games on TV, the coaches see Sloter in practice and meetings and don't think he's ready....I'll trust them over people here that were just as high on Ponder in preseason.......

I think we are on same page. The WR got elevated to practice with the starters but Sloter can't get a series with the 2s in a preseason game? Seriously what dies "ready" mean? He is playing very well with the 3-4th string. Actually, some of those players play with the second string if we want to he picky. It is starting to feel  like playing well at practice trump's playing well in games. I would think it's a mixture of both with some degree of flexibility. Again all I am asking is a few series. 

And let's not forget what Sloter has said about it.  "it’s tough because right now they’re giving Sean the reps. I know I’ve got to be on point with the few reps that I do get. But I think that there’s a pretty clear reason why practice isn’t necessarily always 100 percent smooth is because I’m not out there getting the reps. It’s not an excuse. I’ve got to go out and perform my best no matter what the circumstances. But I’m a rhythm player. I feel like I’m a pretty instinctual player. I feel like when I get in the flow of the game … it’s easier to make throws rather than throwing one ball and then waiting 45 minutes to throw another.’’ Kid has a point. 

He does...  But this is now the 3rd offensive coaching staff (Shurmur, Defelippo, and Stefanski/Kubiak) that hasn't elevated him beyond QB3.

There has to be something going on from his mental approach or stuff he's doing in the QB room that gives the coaches pause about how well he would do against legit NFL talent.

It's pretty clear that Sloter, in his 2nd season, after playing 1 year of QB in Greeley, wasn't going to rise to QB2 on a team with 2 QBs with starting experience ahead of him. I'm not even arguing that he should be QB2 THIS year. 

However, he should've gotten reps with the 2's and he absolutely should not be released in favor of a 4th TE or 7th LB or whatever. You want to debate that, I'm game. 

Remember, Tony Romo was the 3rd string QB for 3 seasons. In his 4th he was promoted to QB2. Six games in, he took over for the starter and threw 3 interceptions. Bill Parcells stuck with him and the rest is history. Zim needs to call Parcells.  

@"mblack" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"mblack" said:

@"JoDakota" said: Yes, the WR got elevated for playing against the 3rd and 4th string, but part of that is how he is doing in practice as well. We olny see the games on TV, the coaches see Sloter in practice and meetings and don't think he's ready....I'll trust them over people here that were just as high on Ponder in preseason.......

I think we are on same page. The WR got elevated to practice with the starters but Sloter can't get a series with the 2s in a preseason game? Seriously what dies "ready" mean? He is playing very well with the 3-4th string. Actually, some of those players play with the second string if we want to he picky. It is starting to feel  like playing well at practice trump's playing well in games. I would think it's a mixture of both with some degree of flexibility. Again all I am asking is a few series. 

And let's not forget what Sloter has said about it.  "it’s tough because right now they’re giving Sean the reps. I know I’ve got to be on point with the few reps that I do get. But I think that there’s a pretty clear reason why practice isn’t necessarily always 100 percent smooth is because I’m not out there getting the reps. It’s not an excuse. I’ve got to go out and perform my best no matter what the circumstances. But I’m a rhythm player. I feel like I’m a pretty instinctual player. I feel like when I get in the flow of the game … it’s easier to make throws rather than throwing one ball and then waiting 45 minutes to throw another.’’ Kid has a point. 

Thank you. That just buttresses my point and makes the more perplexing.

I read somewhere here (might have been in another Sloter lovefest post), that if Sloter gets cut, the fans and media will go crazy.....that is beyond laughable to me. Paul Allen is firmly in the Manion at #2 spot, and it's not even close. Says what he sees at every practice, Sloter is an undeveloped talent with upside that isn't ready yet. Much like what the coaches say.

What media will be all over the vikings for cutting Sloter? I doubt many will take more than a second look. First string and backup is all anyone really cares about.

Sloter has some upside, but our coaching staff doesn't trust him yet.....that is all I need to know. If he was ready, and Kubiak thought he was, he would bend Zim's ear and convince him of it, but so far he has been silent.....

@"JoDakota" said: I read somewhere here (might have been in another Sloter lovefest post), that if Sloter gets cut, the fans and media will go crazy.....that is beyond laughable to me. Paul Allen is firmly in the Manion at #2 spot, and it's not even close. Says what he sees at every practice, Sloter is an undeveloped talent with upside that isn't ready yet. Much like what the coaches say.

What media will be all over the vikings for cutting Sloter? I doubt many will take more than a second look. First string and backup is all anyone really cares about.

Sloter has some upside, but our coaching staff doesn't trust him yet.....that is all I need to know. If he was ready, and Kubiak thought he was, he would bend Zim's ear and convince him of it, but so far he has been silent.....

Paul Allen said the coaches are unanimous opinion that Sloter just isn't ready.......that includes Kubiack and Stefanski. Paul Allen is there everyday and reporting this, not some arm chair QB seeing him play a vanillla preseason offense against 3 and 4th stringers playing vanilla preseason defense. 

@"JoDakota" said: Paul Allen said the coaches are unanimous opinion that Sloter just isn't ready.......that includes Kubiack and Stefanski. Paul Allen is there everyday and reporting this, not some arm chair QB seeing him play a vanillla preseason offense against 3 and 4th stringers playing vanilla preseason defense. 

LOL StickyBun! All will be quiet on the Sloter front soon.