Kalil throws Vike's OL Coaches Under the Bus

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"NorthernCalVike" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: I miss Tice...

Damn good O-line coach - they love him Out here in Oakland - he gets a lot of respect from the players/fans/media

I miss Tice, too. He was able to turn around the careers of both Stringer and Loadholt, both of whom looked destined for the scrap heap early on. He seemed to convince players how good they really were, and could eventually be if they worked hard enough, despite their failings. It didn't work all the time (Withrow), but it worked with Birk, Stringer, Loadholt, etc. A player like TJ Clemmings could use a coach like Tice. 

@"Clanzomaelan" said:

Not to personalize this too much, but my current company and I don't quite see eye to eye, and behind the scenes I've been pretty frustrated. That doesn't mean I'm going to bad mouth them if I find another position elsewhere... I'll be gracious and thankful that they've employed me for X years, and allowed me to provide more than I ever thought for my family. We'll shake hands and I'll move on.

@"greediron" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

He wasn't on an island,  they often had a TE or RB chip on his side,  they don't call it help if they are just chip blocking,  but it's still help. 

Not really, as I said, I went through game video and focused on him quite a bit.  TJ was getting the help, the chips and such.  Kalil was left to sink or swim no his own. 

He may be a bitch, and he may be lazy, but the coaches left him to man his post.  As I said, I wish he had an ounce of desire for "excellence", he may have been a long term answer.  But it just isn't true that he was worse than Charlie Johnson who was helped all game long and still sucked.  Kalil sucked, but he did it without much help.

@"medaille" said: ?

In 2015, I believe we lost 2 starters to injury in the
preseason and then were the only team that had it’s starters intact through the
regular season, so no changes once the season started.  Maybe you meant 2016.

@"greediron" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"NorthernCalVike" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: I miss Tice...

Damn good O-line coach - they love him Out here in Oakland - he gets a lot of respect from the players/fans/media

I miss Tice, too. He was able to turn around the careers of both Stringer and Loadholt, both of whom looked destined for the scrap heap early on. He seemed to convince players how good they really were, and could eventually be if they worked hard enough, despite their failings. It didn't work all the time (Withrow), but it worked with Birk, Stringer, Loadholt, etc. A player like TJ Clemmings could use a coach like Tice. 

He was a good O-line guy.  Withrow was way too small IIRC.  Don't remember Stringer or Load being destined for the scrap heap, but he certainly turned them into studs at their position. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

They were not as bad as Clemmings but both struggled early on. Don't tell me you don't remember all the message board posts complaining about Leadfoot, or any number of other pejoratives describing his stiffness. Stringer wasn't as bad, but he certainly didn't live up to his 1st-round billing until about his 5th season. 

So negative comments on a message board don't really mean much from my perspective.  Have heard glowing remarks about Charlie Johnson's year at LT, so it goes both ways. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"NorthernCalVike" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: I miss Tice...

Damn good O-line coach - they love him Out here in Oakland - he gets a lot of respect from the players/fans/media

I miss Tice, too. He was able to turn around the careers of both Stringer and Loadholt, both of whom looked destined for the scrap heap early on. He seemed to convince players how good they really were, and could eventually be if they worked hard enough, despite their failings. It didn't work all the time (Withrow), but it worked with Birk, Stringer, Loadholt, etc. A player like TJ Clemmings could use a coach like Tice. 

He was a good O-line guy.  Withrow was way too small IIRC.  Don't remember Stringer or Load being destined for the scrap heap, but he certainly turned them into studs at their position. 

They were not as bad as Clemmings but both struggled early on. Don't tell me you don't remember all the message board posts complaining about Leadfoot, or any number of other pejoratives describing his stiffness. Stringer wasn't as bad, but he certainly didn't live up to his 1st-round billing until about his 5th season. 

The University of Spoiled Children lives up to it's name once again!  B)

I would definitely agree with the comment @JimmyinSD made about college not having these kids prepared for NFL. 

I can't wait until December 10. I think Everson's going to have a big day.  I don't think Kalil has the passion or fire necessary to get the most out of his talent.  He seems like a whiney, privileged, spoiled child not used to hearing no.  He needs to grow up.

Don't know if it's totally applicable in Kalil's case, but Mike mentioned McKinney and his laziness and it sparked a thought.
Coming out of "the U", McKinney never gave up a sack in college, was the Outland Trophy winner, finished 8th in the Heisman voting, and was CNN Sports "Player of the Year"...and won a national championship to boot.
Kalil was the Morris Trophy winner (Pac 12 conference Best O lineman), never gave up a sack his junior year and was projected as the best OL in the 2012 draft.
In both cases, these guys had the world on a string.  Both could be argued as being the best at their positions the year they were drafted.  In Matt's case, with the family pedigree he had, his USC history and record, and 5 years of NFL service, just what level of "excellence" was he not being coached to?  It's one thing if he was one of several linemen that had to compete for a starting job and feeling he wasn't given the opportunity due to favoritism, injury, playing time, etc., but this guy...like McKinney...we're given a starting job at the most important position on the O line.  A position, that barring injury, was theirs for a decade.  And in both cases, it was their lack of desire, laziness, hubris...whatever...that determined their fate.  He most certainly was not "left on an island" to fend for himself and in fact was given notice for his mediocre play his second and third years with the Vikes.
Matt, if you want to find "excellence", I suggest start by taking a good hard, honest look at the jackass staring back at you in the mirror. 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"NorthernCalVike" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: I miss Tice...

Damn good O-line coach - they love him Out here in Oakland - he gets a lot of respect from the players/fans/media

I miss Tice, too. He was able to turn around the careers of both Stringer and Loadholt, both of whom looked destined for the scrap heap early on. He seemed to convince players how good they really were, and could eventually be if they worked hard enough, despite their failings. It didn't work all the time (Withrow), but it worked with Birk, Stringer, Loadholt, etc. A player like TJ Clemmings could use a coach like Tice. 

He was a good O-line guy.  Withrow was way too small IIRC.  Don't remember Stringer or Load being destined for the scrap heap, but he certainly turned them into studs at their position. 

They were not as bad as Clemmings but both struggled early on. Don't tell me you don't remember all the message board posts complaining about Leadfoot, or any number of other pejoratives describing his stiffness. Stringer wasn't as bad, but he certainly didn't live up to his 1st-round billing until about his 5th season. 

which is something that we should all keep in mind when it comes to these kids.  College is doing less and less to help prepare these kids for the Pro game and they seem to be coming into the pros younger and younger every year. ( how long before they say screw college and just start bringing the kids in from HS?)  anyway,  I would bet that many of these kids we are throwing away at 23 and 24 years old really could be salvaged into great linemen if teams were to look at some sort of way to keep them in a training program away from football until they are fully developed.  I dont know to many people that peak in strength and overall athleticism at 23 or 24 years old,  not to mention all the other mental stuff that needs time to come along.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"NorthernCalVike" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: I miss Tice...

Damn good O-line coach - they love him Out here in Oakland - he gets a lot of respect from the players/fans/media

I miss Tice, too. He was able to turn around the careers of both Stringer and Loadholt, both of whom looked destined for the scrap heap early on. He seemed to convince players how good they really were, and could eventually be if they worked hard enough, despite their failings. It didn't work all the time (Withrow), but it worked with Birk, Stringer, Loadholt, etc. A player like TJ Clemmings could use a coach like Tice. 

Maybe the coaches didn't demand excellence from him, because they knew it wasn't possible....

@"NoGoingBack" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"NorthernCalVike" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: I miss Tice...

Damn good O-line coach - they love him Out here in Oakland - he gets a lot of respect from the players/fans/media

I miss Tice, too. He was able to turn around the careers of both Stringer and Loadholt, both of whom looked destined for the scrap heap early on. He seemed to convince players how good they really were, and could eventually be if they worked hard enough, despite their failings. It didn't work all the time (Withrow), but it worked with Birk, Stringer, Loadholt, etc. A player like TJ Clemmings could use a coach like Tice. 

Are we talking about Mike Tice who was o-line coach until 2001 and then head coach until 2005, and Phil Loadholt who was drafted in 2009?

I'm not sure how Tice had much of an effect on Loadholts career. Or am I confused?

@"Mike Olson" said: I would definitely agree with the comment @JimmyinSD made about college not having these kids prepared for NFL. 

@"Viking Bob" said:

@"Mike Olson" said: I would definitely agree with the comment @JimmyinSD made about college not having these kids prepared for NFL. 

We have brought this up a few times on THOR'S HAMMER, and I believe that plain and simple, colleges don't care about the NFL, they care about the money they get from all the Bowl Games, and the coaches need to win at the college level to keep their lush paying jobs, so they don't care about the pros either 

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@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Viking Bob" said:

@"Mike Olson" said: I would definitely agree with the comment @JimmyinSD made about college not having these kids prepared for NFL. 

We have brought this up a few times on THOR'S HAMMER, and I believe that plain and simple, colleges don't care about the NFL, they care about the money they get from all the Bowl Games, and the coaches need to win at the college level to keep their lush paying jobs, so they don't care about the pros either 

and honestly... they shouldnt care about the pros... but they should care about their kids and if they are recruiting as a stepping stone to the pros then they should be preparing those kids for their next step just as a professor should be making sure their students arent morons with an expensive piece of paper.

Fuck you Kalil, you big lazy baby.  You rested on the laurels of your one great season for WAY too long here... THAT'S about the only bitch I have about our coaches.  You suck and I hope your older brother whips your ass for being such a big pussy.  I "wasted" a lot of time watching your play and taking notes... almost to the point of me dreading to watch a Viking game.  You Suck. 

Here is a game from November 2014 that I took notes on....  Never mind when I copied and pasted it I couldn't post because the "Body"was 4413 characters too long".   And when I went to dig it out of the old timey Archives... "there appears to be an error with the database".   Needless to say... Matt sucked... but so did the rest of our line,,, even in 2014.    If anyone is interested in seeing it perhaps I could send the breakdown in a PM.... Not sure if there is a character limit there or not.   

Edit - Mike fixed the archive error so here is the link...   Thanks Mike!

http://vikefans.com/forum/index.php/page/articles.html/_/member-articles/how-did-matt-kalil-do-r298