Parsons traded to the Pack...

comet52 wrote:
I'm not a Skip Blowhard fan but what he says here I mostly agree with.  

I've heard people say this about Danielle Hunter too. "He disappears." EVERY edge rusher disappears for stretches based on scheme, opponent and game plan. 

Jonathan Greenard, Pro Bowler and maybe the best Vikings free agent acquisition in the last several years, had 9 games last year without a sack. 10 if you include the playoff game against the Rams. 

Is Parsons overpaid? Definitely. Is he overrated and will this eventually hurt the Packers? Probably. Are the Vikings still better than the Packers? I think so. 

But did the Packers just get better and did the North just get tougher for the Vikings? Without a doubt.

The amount of rationalization and delusion in this thread is epic, lol. What was I thinking? ;)

The first round picks that Dallas gets in this trade will be gotten toward the end of the round, in the late 20s. Clark will be 30 in October, but still a force (occasionally) and a good player but descending. Parsons has averaged what each year, 12+ sacks annually? He's an All Pro player. Jerry Jones is an absolute idiot and moron and the only thing partially saving him is that the Cowpie fanbase are also idiots and morons. They'll still show up and spend $$$ even though the team has been mostly either garbage or underwhelming/overrated the last 30 years because the media hypes them up EVERY year. They still think Troy Aikman and Emmitt Smith are going to come out of the tunnel.

Jones lives and operates in his own deluded world:

[i]"In Jones’s first post-trade press conference, which included an 11-minute monologue, he said the trade was made to improve the Cowboys’ run defense, citing Clark’s status as a Pro Bowl defensive tackle. Never mind the fact that run defense is not considered Clark’s strength or that Green Bay’s run defense wasn’t very good with him anchoring the line."[/i]

He's going to be 83 years old in a few months. If he wasn't the owner, he'd have been put out to pasture long ago. He likes to make deals without player agents and went past the point of no return alienating Parsons and his agent. He's got plenty of yes men around him telling him this was a 'Herschel Walker' trade and it wasn't even in the same zip code. Jones got fleeced. Mike Lynn and Jimmy Johnson were responsible for the Cowboys renaissance. This story nails it:

https://www.si.com/nfl/micah-parsons-trade-is-proof-jerry-jones-should-no-longer-lead-cowboys

[i]"There comes a time in the life of every senior citizen when large responsibilities, such as the operation of a motor vehicle, heavy machinery or even the lawnmower must be reevaluated with sobriety. It’s only natural that certain aspects of daily life be delegated to those who maintain the sharpness and reaction time of their youth. The problem comes when those entering their golden years don’t want to give up the often underappreciated thrill of taking a spin in the Cadillac to Dairy Queen for ice cream, or, in a case that was brought to our attention Thursday, maintaining a very serious role in running the Dallas Cowboys.
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[i]The Micah Parsons trade, which one league source wisely described as an “NBA-style salary dump” is like the Khalil Mack trade on steroids (in terms of stupidity—the Cowboys didn’t even get as much for Parsons as the Raiders did in return for Mack, despite the fact that Mack was older at the time of the trade). I thought it impossible to possess more hubris than an unchecked, all-powerful Jon Gruden and yet here we are dissecting a deal that sent arguably the pass rusher with the highest ceiling in the NFL to a conference rival for two first-round picks and a defensive tackle who will turn 30 before Halloween this year."[/i]

MaroonBells wrote:

I've heard people say this about Danielle Hunter too. "He disappears." EVERY edge rusher disappears for stretches based on scheme, opponent and game plan. 

Jonathan Greenard, Pro Bowler and maybe the best Vikings free agent acquisition in the last several years, had 9 games last year without a sack. 10 if you include the playoff game against the Rams. 

I always chuckle at the "disappears" narrative too. HOFer Jared Allen could be invisible for 3 quarters and then right when you need him-- bang-- strip sack on 3rd down. These guys aren't valuable because they make the most plays. It's because the plays they do make are the most valuable.

The Vikings obtained Jared Allen for 1 first rounder and he turned into a HOFer and hit 22 sacks at one point in time. While Parsons is good, two first rounders is very expensive along with that cap hit. There is both good and bad in that acquisition, but I don't think it can be argued the Packers pulled off the steal of the century here. They did well, but they didn't break the bank imho.

MaroonBells wrote:

I've heard people say this about Danielle Hunter too. "He disappears." EVERY edge rusher disappears for stretches based on scheme, opponent and game plan. 

Jonathan Greenard, Pro Bowler and maybe the best Vikings free agent acquisition in the last several years, had 9 games last year without a sack. 10 if you include the playoff game against the Rams. 

Is Parsons overpaid? Definitely. Is he overrated and will this eventually hurt the Packers? Probably. Are the Vikings still better than the Packers? I think so. 

But did the Packers just get better and did the North just get tougher for the Vikings? Without a doubt.

Parsons gets his stats like Kirko used to then the playoffs arrive.  That's the disappearing that matters.  He'll have an impact (if his back doesn't sideline him) but it's not enough to change my overall take on the ceiling for the Pack right now.

But regardless, in this team sport a lot of clubs have gone hard after that "one guy" and found out it didn't work the way they thought it would.

This is an all-in for 2025 move for them which imo won't result in a title and will hamstring their future to some extent.

@Chicago_Jay1

The Green Bay Packers were a blocked field goal away from going 0-6 in the NFC North. I promise you they were not a Micah Parsons away. 

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Anyone know if the Packer win total o/u has gone up since the news? Got to be a way to profit off this media hype.

The Packers were (are) more than 1 player away, and no amount of Micah's work could make Dallas truly relevant during his time there.

This isn't good news, but the picks and money spent by a desperate Green Bay may be great news for us over the next few seasons.

MaroonBells wrote:
@Chicago_Jay1

The Green Bay Packers were a blocked field goal away from going 0-6 in the NFC North. I promise you they were not a Micah Parsons away. 

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Anyone know if the Packer win total o/u has gone up since the news? Got to be a way to profit off this media hype.

I think they opened 9.5 but right now I see various lines.  Alt lines at 8.5, 10.5 and even a 12 are out there but the ml pricing isn't going to give one any edge.  A player move like this might be worth half a game, although books these days don't like to hang whole number totals so they'll just leave it at 9.5 and move the money, you'll pay a price to go over.  I'm seeing o9.5 -165 at one book for example.

The bigger move that's happened is their SB odds dropped from around 20-1 to around 12-1.

I get back to Jordan Love...

If he has a break-out type season and ends-up elite?

Then Parsons on the Pack roster is very tough indeed...But if Love is game manager type? Parsons will help, but Pack aint going to re-boot Favre/White era again..

Trust me on this...That's what everyone in the GB office and fans in Appleton and Green Bay are twiddling their nuts over this am.

This is taking that kinda swing - a big one!

MaroonBells wrote:

I've heard people say this about Danielle Hunter too. "He disappears." EVERY edge rusher disappears for stretches based on scheme, opponent and game plan. 

Jonathan Greenard, Pro Bowler and maybe the best Vikings free agent acquisition in the last several years, had 9 games last year without a sack. 10 if you include the playoff game against the Rams. 

Is Parsons overpaid? Definitely. Is he overrated and will this eventually hurt the Packers? Probably. Are the Vikings still better than the Packers? I think so. 

But did the Packers just get better and did the North just get tougher for the Vikings? Without a doubt.

I don't think it is a matter of disappearing, but more of a making a difference in the game other than the splash plays, do they contain the edge, are they getting consistent pressure forcing the QB to have to force the ball, those are the plays that an edge has a much bigger impact on the game than the sacks.  I liked Hunter, but I didn't think he always had an impact on the game.  I feel like Greenard and Van Ginkel impact the game on a consistent level and not just with the sacks, they apply pressure, they contain the edge, they make others on the defense better and they bring a fire to the defense.  

Are the Packers better - I think losing Clark is highly understated, he was a huge force on their defense and a difference maker.  With the money they paying Parsons they are losing a lot of cap flexibility.  I think he makes them marginally better this year, but not in the long run.

badgervike wrote:
$47M per year for Parsons and $55 per year for Love.  If I were guessing, I'd say Packers gave (2) 1st round draft picks that can fill holes relatively inexpensively.  We'll see how this plays out in Titletown.

Yep, lots of capital in draft and $$s.  They are all in this year with a mediocre QB and now a edge guy that doesn't know the scheme or team.  He will be disruptive, but we paid a lot for our O-Line, we should be able to mitigate his effect.

StickierBuns wrote:

This is probably what it will boil down to, Love.

The national media is 100% convinced the Packer's roster 'is loaded with YOUNG talent!'....its what they drone on and on about. And they make the assumption that Love is already a franchise QB: these are the assumptions baked into all of their love for GB. What a pragmatist would say is two years ago they won 9 games and then last year 11. Is this a team on the come?

LaFleur is a good coach too...Gets whiny, but a good coach.

Bar is set, expectations are sky high; IF this doesnt get them another Favre/White glory era? 

Then (it may not be a fail), but then it didnt pay out like they had hoped.

I am for sure rooting for Lions Wk1 now.

This is one of the more interesting Chicken Little threads I've read in some time. The sky is falling, no it isn't. The sky is green, no it isn't, it's blue.

Some observations:
He's played for the Cowboys for 4 seasons. They made the playoffs 3 of those years as a Wild Card team, going 1-3. They never advanced further than the Divisional Round.
Dak Prescott > Jordan Love
The Packers are the first team in NFL history to devote over $100mm to only two players.
Giving up two firsts and Kenny Clark (past-prime) smacks a bit of our side of the Herschel Walker trade. Just a bit.
Taking on a $188 million ($136 million guaranteed) obligation (and that still only makes Parsons the third highest cap space on the roster, after Love and Gary), is a healthy obligation.
The top 6 players on the Packers roster (after the Parsons trade, including all players with a $10mm cap hit or greater), comprise 44.25% of the total cap hit. Seems top heavy.
By comparison, the top 6 players on the Vikings roster (also all over $10mm cap hit each), comprises 36.48% of the total cap hit. Seems more balanced.
After the Parsons trade, the Packers have $3.2mm in cap space, and no first round picks until 2028.
By comparison, after the Thielen trade / signing, the Vikings have $17mm in cap space.

Like they say...there is a reason they don't award championships on paper.

[quote="JimmyinSD" pid="258269" dateline="1756466041"]
I would be more concerned if Clark hadn't been part of the trade,  and we didn't have one of the best sets of bookends in the business.

Parsons will get his on occasion,  but I dont see him taking over a game for them without clark making a mess of the middle,  but we will see.
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Pack it in, its over:

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This doesn't bother me so much. Love is over rated and the Vikings will be able to run against Parsons. He's a pass run specialist but not great against the run. A lot of these fast guys can track down the runner if you try to run away from them, but not if you run right at them. I think the Vikings will be successful running right at him.

StickierBuns wrote:

This is probably what it will boil down to, Love.

The national media is 100% convinced the Packer's roster 'is loaded with YOUNG talent!'....its what they drone on and on about. And they make the assumption that Love is already a franchise QB: these are the assumptions baked into all of their love for GB. What a pragmatist would say is two years ago they won 9 games and then last year 11. Is this a team on the come?

Jordan Love went 9-8 as a first time starter in his 3rd NFL season.  Then went 9-6 last year (his backup won 2 games he missed with injury).  I think he's an above average QB that struggled with consistency.  I mean if we were talking he's going into his 3rd year in the NFL, maybe you project his ceiling higher?  But he's entering his 5th NFL season. I think he is what he is and most rationale Green Bay people I talk to say he's a good, not great QB.  Not worth the contract GB gave him.

Regardless of how you feel about this trade, the Packer's coaches and organization is now in a big way....

[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a01QQZyl-_I[/video]

[quote="comet52" pid="258279" dateline="1756473249"]

Man I'm seeing a lotta Viking fans on suicide watch over this deal lol.  But I didn't expect you,  Sticky to be hitting the bottle this hard!

I said two words on this board a month ago when someone brought up the idea of going after Parsons--overrated and overpaid.  At 47 mil the latter is absolutely true.

I'm not a Skip Blowhard fan but what he says here I mostly agree with.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSiH8n8jlXE
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lol, my post was sarcasm. I know, hard to decipher in the written word. Making fun of the oddsmakers. 

I honestly worry more about what Minnesota is doing (new O-line, aging but important DL FA acquisitions, the secondary, JJM) than anything any other NFCN team is doing. Fingers crossed it all works out. Micah is one dude: our line was upgraded and JJ is mobile, so hopefully mitigated to some respect. I'm ready for the real deal, getting fatigued over what might be! Let's play and give me something real to bitch about! ;)

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StickierBuns wrote:
The amount of rationalization and delusion in this thread is epic, lol. What was I thinking? ;)

The first round picks that Dallas gets in this trade will be gotten toward the end of the round, in the late 20s. Clark will be 30 in October, but still a force (occasionally) and a good player but descending. Parsons has averaged what each year, 12+ sacks annually? He's an All Pro player. Jerry Jones is an absolute idiot and moron and the only thing partially saving him is that the Cowpie fanbase are also idiots and morons. They'll still show up and spend $$$ even though the team has been mostly either garbage or underwhelming/overrated the last 30 years because the media hypes them up EVERY year. They still think Troy Aikman and Emmitt Smith are going to come out of the tunnel.

Jones lives and operates in his own deluded world:

"In Jones’s first post-trade press conference, which included an 11-minute monologue, he said the trade was made to improve the Cowboys’ run defense, citing Clark’s status as a Pro Bowl defensive tackle. Never mind the fact that run defense is not considered Clark’s strength or that Green Bay’s run defense wasn’t very good with him anchoring the line."

He's going to be 83 years old in a few months. If he wasn't the owner, he'd have been put out to pasture long ago. He likes to make deals without player agents and went past the point of no return alienating Parsons and his agent. He's got plenty of yes men around him telling him this was a 'Herschel Walker' trade and it wasn't even in the same zip code. Jones got fleeced. Mike Lynn and Jimmy Johnson were responsible for the Cowboys renaissance. This story nails it:

https://www.si.com/nfl/micah-parsons-trade-is-proof-jerry-jones-should-no-longer-lead-cowboys

"There comes a time in the life of every senior citizen when large responsibilities, such as the operation of a motor vehicle, heavy machinery or even the lawnmower must be reevaluated with sobriety. It’s only natural that certain aspects of daily life be delegated to those who maintain the sharpness and reaction time of their youth. The problem comes when those entering their golden years don’t want to give up the often underappreciated thrill of taking a spin in the Cadillac to Dairy Queen for ice cream, or, in a case that was brought to our attention Thursday, maintaining a very serious role in running the Dallas Cowboys.

The Micah Parsons trade, which one league source wisely described as an “NBA-style salary dump” is like the Khalil Mack trade on steroids (in terms of stupidity—the Cowboys didn’t even get as much for Parsons as the Raiders did in return for Mack, despite the fact that Mack was older at the time of the trade). I thought it impossible to possess more hubris than an unchecked, all-powerful Jon Gruden and yet here we are dissecting a deal that sent arguably the pass rusher with the highest ceiling in the NFL to a conference rival for two first-round picks and a defensive tackle who will turn 30 before Halloween this year."

The word out of Dallas is that Parsons is not going to physically sustain his production.   They are convinced his body is already starting to break down at 26 so there is that.

Waterboy wrote:
The Vikings obtained Jared Allen for 1 first rounder and he turned into a HOFer and hit 22 sacks at one point in time.  While Parsons is good, two first rounders is very expensive along with that cap hit.  There is both good and bad in that acquisition, but I don't think it can be argued the Packers pulled off the steal of the century here.  They did well, but they didn't break the bank imho.

The Bears gave up 2 firsts, a third, and a 6th for Khalil Mack.   Personally I think Mack in his prime is the better player so I agree it was a fair trade to both sides with my thinking Dallas will win this trade long term.    If Green Bay wins a Super Bowl then its a win for them much like the Rams trade for Stafford.

Montana Tom wrote:
This is one of the more interesting Chicken Little threads I've read in some time.  The sky is falling, no it isn't.  The sky is green, no it isn't, it's blue.

Some observations:
He's played for the Cowboys for 4 seasons. They made the playoffs 3 of those years as a Wild Card team, going 1-3. They never advanced further than the Divisional Round.
Dak Prescott > Jordan Love
The Packers are the first team in NFL history to devote over $100mm to only two players.
Giving up two firsts and Kenny Clark (past-prime) smacks a bit of our side of the Herschel Walker trade.  Just a bit.
Taking on a $188 million ($136 million guaranteed) obligation (and that still only makes Parsons the third highest cap space on the roster, after Love and Gary), is a healthy obligation.
The top 6 players on the Packers roster (after the Parsons trade, including all players with a $10mm cap hit or greater), comprise 44.25% of the total cap hit.  Seems top heavy.
By comparison, the top 6 players on the Vikings roster (also all over $10mm cap hit each), comprises 36.48% of the total cap hit.  Seems more balanced.
After the Parsons trade, the Packers have $3.2mm in cap space, and no first round picks until 2028.
By comparison, after the Thielen trade / signing, the Vikings have $17mm in cap space.

Like they say...there is a reason they don't award championships on paper.

Great post!

In talking about Jordan Love.....is he a great QB?   I think he is a middling starting QB in the NFL.    I believe there are at least 12 guys I would take over him if I were starting a team today:

Matt Stafford
Joe Burrough
Justin Herbert
Pat Mahomes
Dak Prescott
Lamar Jackson
Joe Burrow
CJ Stroud
Jared Goff
Jalen Hurts
Baker Mayfield
Jayden Daniels

Then there are these guys who I believe are of the same caliber as Jordan Love:

Sam Darnold
Brock Purdy
Caleb Williams
Kyler Murray
Geno Smith
Tua Tagoviloa
Trevor Lawrence 

The Jury is still out on:

Bryce young
Drake Maye
JJ McCarthy
Cam Ward
Michael Penix
Bo Nix

I agree with a lot of people the Packers were NOT a Micah Parsons away from the Super Bowl.

[quote="purplefaithful" pid="258295" dateline="1756478827"]
[b]I get back to Jordan Love...[/b]

If he has a break-out type season and ends-up elite?

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This is probably what it will boil down to, Love.

The national media is 100% convinced the Packer's roster 'is loaded with YOUNG talent!'....its what they drone on and on about. And they make the assumption that Love is already a franchise QB: these are the assumptions baked into all of their love for GB. What a pragmatist would say is two years ago they won 9 games and then last year 11. Is this a team on the come?