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Draft: If it's not a QB..?

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So much talk about using our 1st round pick on a QB, but what if its not? If it's not a QB, who are you liking in the draft as possibilities? I'm seeing a lot of mocks recently have us talking UCLA edge Laiatu Latu, which I could see with both Hunter and Wonnum being free agents. I personally really like Dallas Turner from Bama. 

Tons of offensive line talent. Would receiver be a possibility with Osborne hitting free agency and the shelf relatively empty behind JJ and Addison? Four of GBN's top 12 ranked players in this draft are receivers. 

Any positional players you are really liking as draft possibilities at this point?

#1 · Jan 15, 7:25 PM
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Gotta be an Edge at 11...

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If not QB, then I'm hoping for an edge.  JJ, Addison, and Hock at TE is a nice trio.  We don't need to use a 1 on a 3rd WR who'd really be the 4th option.  

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If it's edge I'd look at Jared Verse or Chop Robinson. I'm kind of disappointed in the DT crop as far as what we need (a true NT). Some like Newton out of IL as a 3 Tech., but he seems a bit short and slow.

WR is probably too high considering we already have JJ and Addison as a #2. 

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@"mgobluevikes" said: If it's edge I'd look at Jared Verse or Chop Robinson. I'm kind of disappointed in the DT crop as far as what we need (a true NT). Some like Newton out of IL as a 3 Tech., but he seems a bit short and slow. 
Verse I like, although he lost some ground from a few months ago when everyone thought he was a top 5 to 10 pick. Seeing a lot of latter round projections on him now. Chop Robinson just hasn't produced to be taken that high. If it's an edge I'm really hoping it's Turner or Latu although we might need to move up slightly to secure one if them. It would be great to resign both Hunter and Wonnum and invest the pick at another need position. 

Agree on the defensive tackles. An overall lackluster group at the top. 

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On defensive tackle, rumors we could make run at Dolphins DT Christian Wilkins who is coming off a career year with 9 sacks. Someone to monitor in free agency 

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Latu's neck injury scares me. It's Turner or Verse for me. There's no Edge in this draft with the upside of Bosa or Watt.

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WR is the last position we should target in the first, unless at were to move JJ.  Even then I would question its need.  Teams are finding solid WR talent in day 2 and even 3, its getting easier and easier to find quality at the position, much like RB.

If not QB we need to target a new GM, and then grab IDL or IOL,  most likely in a trade down,   but it really needs to be a bold move for a QB of their liking if the stakes aren't stupid.

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CW
Maye
Harry JR
Alt
Bowers
Daniels
Nabers
Latu
Turner

All trade up targets for me although CW and Maye are gone 1-2, so no chance 

this is a deep draft for edge, CB, OT. 

I think we trade down for JJ or Nix try to get our 3 rd back. 

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Edge, DL, CB, then maybe IOL  Defense needs to be retooled.

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https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/sim/3-3035

Heres one i did yesterday with Turner there at 11

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well crap Shemar returned to A&M 

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I think the only way this should not be a QB is if we extend Cousins for two years or more. It's possible.

If that's the case, it means we're going for it. And if that's the case, I think you have to pay Hunter, bring in at least one 1st-tier free agent for the front five, and draft either another Edge or a pass rushing DT. Because if we pay Hunter, it's not likely we'll pay Wonnum. A 26-year-old edge coming off 8 sacks is going to get a decent pay day from someone. 

Danielle Hunter—Justin Madubuike (FA)—Harrison Phillips—Jaq Roy—Jared Verse (D1) looks pretty good to me. Verse, Newton, Turner, Latu...all look like good value picks in the 10-15 range. 

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A lot of the mocks I've seen have us selecting Nate Wiggins, CB, Clemson at pick #11. To me, it about has to be a QB unless the Vikings brain trust is sure a QB they desire is there in the 2nd round, or maybe trade back into the late 1st round to get him.

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@"NorseFeathers" said: A lot of the mocks I've seen have us selecting Nate Wiggins, CB, Clemson at pick #11. To me, it about has to be a QB unless the Vikings brain trust is sure a QB they desire is there in the 2nd round, or maybe trade back into the late 1st round to get him.

I wouldn't draft a CB on Day 1 or 2. Although CB is a need, we have a lot of youth in the room already. We're best served to sign a CB in FA & draft another on Day 3.

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To me it has to be a QB of the future, but if not, I target an edge or even better a disruptive pass rushing DT. We desperately need a guy who can make opposing QB’s uncomfortable by collapsing the pocket through the middle. I haven’t looked at the DT’s yet, but I’m wondering if there’s a Kevin Williams type available? 
We don’t need WR, but I get the desire. There are some great prospects this year. I would go all defense though for probably the first two picks. Edge/DT/ or Linebacker. Corner only if there’s a value opportunity. 

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@"Knucklehead" said:
@"NorseFeathers" said: A lot of the mocks I've seen have us selecting Nate Wiggins, CB, Clemson at pick #11. To me, it about has to be a QB unless the Vikings brain trust is sure a QB they desire is there in the 2nd round, or maybe trade back into the late 1st round to get him.

I wouldn't draft a CB on Day 1 or 2. Although CB is a need, we have a lot of youth in the room already. We're best served to sign a CB in FA & draft another on Day 3.



Agree. I think you run it back with what we've got. Murphy, Evans, Blackmon and Booth.

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@"JimmyinSD" said: WR is the last position we should target in the first, unless at were to move JJ.  Even then I would question its need.  Teams are finding solid WR talent in day 2 and even 3, its getting easier and easier to find quality at the position, much like RB.

If not QB we need to target a new GM, and then grab IDL or IOL,  most likely in a trade down,   but it really needs to be a bold move for a QB of their liking if the stakes aren't stupid.


Lol, I like how you slipped that in there Jimmy…!  ;) B)  

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@"JimmyinSD" said: WR is the last position we should target in the first, unless at were to move JJ.  Even then I would question its need.  Teams are finding solid WR talent in day 2 and even 3, its getting easier and easier to find quality at the position, much like RB.

If not QB we need to target a new GM, and then grab IDL or IOL,  most likely in a trade down,   but it really needs to be a bold move for a QB of their liking if the stakes aren't stupid.


I have a feeling that it will be a 3 year deal for Cousins all guaranteed of course. I agree that it would be a good time to trade up and get a top prospect, but why waste it in this scenario and in two years when the house gets cleaned hopefully the Wilfs learn and hire a real president of football operations and build the team with a Young QB.

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@"kmillard" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said: WR is the last position we should target in the first, unless at were to move JJ.  Even then I would question its need.  Teams are finding solid WR talent in day 2 and even 3, its getting easier and easier to find quality at the position, much like RB.

If not QB we need to target a new GM, and then grab IDL or IOL,  most likely in a trade down,   but it really needs to be a bold move for a QB of their liking if the stakes aren't stupid.


I have a feeling that it will be a 3 year deal for Cousins all guaranteed of course. I agree that it would be a good time to trade up and get a top prospect, but why waste it in this scenario and in two years when the house gets cleaned hopefully the Wilfs learn and hire a real president of football operations and build the team with a Young QB.


So I'm trying to get this straight: The current HC/GM won 13 games their first season. They lost their starting QB in Season 2, along with a lot of other injuries, and still fought almost to the end to make the playoffs. Yet the 'house will get cleaned' in 2 years?? I guess its an opinion, but where is the logic to it? It just sounds like ridiculous fan babble to me. 

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@"supafreak84" said:
@"mgobluevikes" said: If it's edge I'd look at Jared Verse or Chop Robinson. I'm kind of disappointed in the DT crop as far as what we need (a true NT). Some like Newton out of IL as a 3 Tech., but he seems a bit short and slow. 
Verse I like, although he lost some ground from a few months ago when everyone thought he was a top 5 to 10 pick. Seeing a lot of latter round projections on him now. Chop Robinson just hasn't produced to be taken that high. If it's an edge I'm really hoping it's Turner or Latu although we might need to move up slightly to secure one if them. It would be great to resign both Hunter and Wonnum and invest the pick at another need position. 

Agree on the defensive tackles. An overall lackluster group at the top. 



If we resigned Hunter and Wonum, don't take a QB at 11, I don't know of a player at a position of need worthy to fill that spot. Seems we are almost forced to trade back. Not sure I like that scenario.

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