113 QBs have been drafted since Kirk Cousins in 2012

Well, Cousins hasn't really elevated the team after the team signed him for top dollars replacing Keenam. The year prior to his signing him, the Vikings played the NFC Championship game.

@"DeepFreeze05" said: Well, Cousins hasn't really elevated the team after the team signed him for top dollars replacing Keenam. The year prior to his signing him, the Vikings played the NFC Championship game.

Some of those top dollars could have been used to strengthen the team in other areas

@"StickyBun" said: Only one has won a Superbowl, Patrick Mahomes.

This isn't some quick automatic magic pill, drafting a new QB. Minnesota needs a lot of help outside that position. And the odds are against a QB selection making a gigantic impact. There are no auto fixes in the NFL.

There are many who think that the best way to build a championship team is to build up the entire roster & then add your QB. Makes you wonder if the team should use their draft capital next year on IDL, IOL & any other position of need & punt on drafting their QBOTF until 2025.

@"Knucklehead" said:

@"StickyBun" said: Only one has won a Superbowl, Patrick Mahomes.

This isn't some quick automatic magic pill, drafting a new QB. Minnesota needs a lot of help outside that position. And the odds are against a QB selection making a gigantic impact. There are no auto fixes in the NFL.

There are many who think that the best way to build a championship team is to build up the entire roster & then add your QB. Makes you wonder if the team should use their draft capital next year on IDL, IOL & any other position of need & punt on drafting their QBOTF until 2025.

Qb failure rate is so high because it is so over drafted.  Unfortunately if you dont participate in over drafting the position you will still get a guy,  and you will likely still be over drafting him,   but it will just be that much further down the draft board.

I don't recall the poster, but the post was spot on. 

EVERY NFL team who drafts a qb believes they did the necessary due diligence.  

You just gotta be lucky on top of being good at drafting. 

QB isnt the Vikings problem, its the trenches and now RB too. 

I want us to take a QB in the 1st round of the '24 draft. And I think we will. It's time. I also think we'll extend Cousins short term to give the young QB time. But everyone should keep in mind that it's not very likely that QB will be better than what we already have. 

Think about this: In just 3 games, Cousins has had 2 receivers fumble in the red zone.  He’s also had 2 TD passes hit his receivers in the hands only to be stolen away (Bucs) or tipped into a pick (Chargers). Despite this he still leads the league in passing yards, TDs, completions and completions over 20 yards. He has 1075 yards, 9 TDs and 2 INTs. And yes, both picks hit his receivers in the hands. 

@"MaroonBells" said: I want us to take a QB in the 1st round of the '24 draft. And I think we will. It's time. I also think we'll extend Cousins short term to give the young QB time. But everyone should keep in mind that it's not very likely that QB will be better than what we already have. 

Think about this: In just 3 games, Cousins has had 2 receivers fumble in the red zone.  He’s also had 2 TD passes hit his receivers in the hands only to be stolen away (Bucs) or tipped into a pick (Chargers). Despite this he still leads the league in passing yards, TDs, completions and completions over 20 yards. He has 1075 yards, 9 TDs and 2 INTs. And yes, both picks hit his receivers in the hands. 

@"MaroonBells" said: I want us to take a QB in the 1st round of the '24 draft. And I think we will. It's time. I also think we'll extend Cousins short term to give the young QB time. But everyone should keep in mind that it's not very likely that QB will be better than what we already have. 

Think about this: In just 3 games, Cousins has had 2 receivers fumble in the red zone.  He’s also had 2 TD passes hit his receivers in the hands only to be stolen away (Bucs) or tipped into a pick (Chargers). Despite this he still leads the league in passing yards, TDs, completions and completions over 20 yards. He has 1075 yards, 9 TDs and 2 INTs. And yes, both picks hit his receivers in the hands. 

@"MaroonBells" said: I want us to take a QB in the 1st round of the '24 draft. And I think we will. It's time. I also think we'll extend Cousins short term to give the young QB time. But everyone should keep in mind that it's not very likely that QB will be better than what we already have. 

Think about this: In just 3 games, Cousins has had 2 receivers fumble in the red zone.  He’s also had 2 TD passes hit his receivers in the hands only to be stolen away (Bucs) or tipped into a pick (Chargers). Despite this he still leads the league in passing yards, TDs, completions and completions over 20 yards. He has 1075 yards, 9 TDs and 2 INTs. And yes, both picks hit his receivers in the hands. 

@"MaroonBells" said: I want us to take a QB in the 1st round of the '24 draft. And I think we will. It's time. I also think we'll extend Cousins short term to give the young QB time. But everyone should keep in mind that it's not very likely that QB will be better than what we already have. 

Think about this: In just 3 games, Cousins has had 2 receivers fumble in the red zone.  He’s also had 2 TD passes hit his receivers in the hands only to be stolen away (Bucs) or tipped into a pick (Chargers). Despite this he still leads the league in passing yards, TDs, completions and completions over 20 yards. He has 1075 yards, 9 TDs and 2 INTs. And yes, both picks hit his receivers in the hands. 

and how much of Cousins success is due to having JJ out there?  his passes this year have been high,  late, in bad locations,  but having a guy like JJ that can almost get open at will and has great RAC can cover up for some of the shit throws.  I will always concede that KC is typically one of the best passers in the game,  but his results so far this year have been suspect at best on to many throws.

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: I want us to take a QB in the 1st round of the '24 draft. And I think we will. It's time. I also think we'll extend Cousins short term to give the young QB time. But everyone should keep in mind that it's not very likely that QB will be better than what we already have. 

Think about this: In just 3 games, Cousins has had 2 receivers fumble in the red zone.  He’s also had 2 TD passes hit his receivers in the hands only to be stolen away (Bucs) or tipped into a pick (Chargers). Despite this he still leads the league in passing yards, TDs, completions and completions over 20 yards. He has 1075 yards, 9 TDs and 2 INTs. And yes, both picks hit his receivers in the hands. 

Some fans think Kirk is the problem.....they'll only realize that he wasn't after he's been gone. 

@"ArizonaViking" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: I want us to take a QB in the 1st round of the '24 draft. And I think we will. It's time. I also think we'll extend Cousins short term to give the young QB time. But everyone should keep in mind that it's not very likely that QB will be better than what we already have. 

Think about this: In just 3 games, Cousins has had 2 receivers fumble in the red zone.  He’s also had 2 TD passes hit his receivers in the hands only to be stolen away (Bucs) or tipped into a pick (Chargers). Despite this he still leads the league in passing yards, TDs, completions and completions over 20 yards. He has 1075 yards, 9 TDs and 2 INTs. And yes, both picks hit his receivers in the hands. 

Some fans think Kirk is the problem.....they'll only realize that he wasn't after he's been gone. 

Yes, Cousins is a pure pocket passer with limited mobility and pocket awareness, we all know that.  But as fast as the pocket collapses due to the massive push straight up the middle of the interior line, Cousins has held up extremely well and actually perform really well all considering.  I know the majority here want a running quarterback that can pass too and are looking real hard for the quarterback of the future.  But until the organization address the interior lines on both sides of the ball, the team will still have the same results.  Any new quarterback regardless, playing behind this existing line is literally putting his own life in danger.  Look at Andrew Luck when he was playing for the Colts.  He got beaten up so bad behind a shitty offensive line, he only played a few years and retired due to numerous injuries.  First order of business for the Viking is to fix both interior lines either through free agency or the draft.  Here's where they should spend their money.

Luck is definitely a factor but you gotta take your shot.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"ArizonaViking" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: I want us to take a QB in the 1st round of the '24 draft. And I think we will. It's time. I also think we'll extend Cousins short term to give the young QB time. But everyone should keep in mind that it's not very likely that QB will be better than what we already have. 

Think about this: In just 3 games, Cousins has had 2 receivers fumble in the red zone.  He’s also had 2 TD passes hit his receivers in the hands only to be stolen away (Bucs) or tipped into a pick (Chargers). Despite this he still leads the league in passing yards, TDs, completions and completions over 20 yards. He has 1075 yards, 9 TDs and 2 INTs. And yes, both picks hit his receivers in the hands. 

Some fans think Kirk is the problem.....they'll only realize that he wasn't after he's been gone. 

Yes, Cousins is a pure pocket passer with limited mobility and pocket awareness, we all know that.  But as fast as the pocket collapses due to the massive push straight up the middle of the interior line, Cousins has held up extremely well and actually perform really well all considering.  I know the majority here want a running quarterback that can pass too and are looking real hard for the quarterback of the future.  But until the organization address the interior lines on both sides of the ball, the team will still have the same results.  Any new quarterback regardless, playing behind this existing line is literally putting his own life in danger.  Look at Andrew Luck when he was playing for the Colts.  He got beaten up so bad behind a shitty offensive line, he only played a few years and retired due to numerous injuries.  First order of business for the Viking is to fix both interior lines either through free agency or the draft.  Here's where they should spend their money.

I dont think you are right on what you think the majority wants,  for the most part IMO the majority still wants a passer,  just one that can move the pocket,  and when the defense allows take a free 5 yards or at least extend plays and make throws off script.  I dont know of many/any fans that want to see a running QB as those typically arent worth a shit as a passer and have considerably shorter careers.

I agree on the OL and DL though and have been screaming for years to prioritize those positions, but paying a statue QB top of the market money ( along with a few other shit contracts ) didnt leave much on the table for adding talent at the needed areas,  and then there is the draft.

@"ArizonaViking" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"ArizonaViking" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: I want us to take a QB in the 1st round of the '24 draft. And I think we will. It's time. I also think we'll extend Cousins short term to give the young QB time. But everyone should keep in mind that it's not very likely that QB will be better than what we already have. 

Think about this: In just 3 games, Cousins has had 2 receivers fumble in the red zone.  He’s also had 2 TD passes hit his receivers in the hands only to be stolen away (Bucs) or tipped into a pick (Chargers). Despite this he still leads the league in passing yards, TDs, completions and completions over 20 yards. He has 1075 yards, 9 TDs and 2 INTs. And yes, both picks hit his receivers in the hands. 

Some fans think Kirk is the problem.....they'll only realize that he wasn't after he's been gone. 

Yes, Cousins is a pure pocket passer with limited mobility and pocket awareness, we all know that.  But as fast as the pocket collapses due to the massive push straight up the middle of the interior line, Cousins has held up extremely well and actually perform really well all considering.  I know the majority here want a running quarterback that can pass too and are looking real hard for the quarterback of the future.  But until the organization address the interior lines on both sides of the ball, the team will still have the same results.  Any new quarterback regardless, playing behind this existing line is literally putting his own life in danger.  Look at Andrew Luck when he was playing for the Colts.  He got beaten up so bad behind a shitty offensive line, he only played a few years and retired due to numerous injuries.  First order of business for the Viking is to fix both interior lines either through free agency or the draft.  Here's where they should spend their money.

I dont think you are right on what you think the majority wants,  for the most part IMO the majority still wants a passer,  just one that can move the pocket,  and when the defense allows take a free 5 yards or at least extend plays and make throws off script.  I dont know of many/any fans that want to see a running QB as those typically arent worth a shit as a passer and have considerably shorter careers.

I agree on the OL and DL though and have been screaming for years to prioritize those positions, but paying a statue QB top of the market money ( along with a few other shit contracts ) didnt leave much on the table for adding talent at the needed areas,  and then there is the draft.

Yeah, running QB was a bad description on my part.  More like a more mobile QB that can get outside or extend plays with his legs with the option of flinging the ball or gaining positive yards running.

@"MaroonBells" said: I want us to take a QB in the 1st round of the '24 draft. And I think we will. It's time. I also think we'll extend Cousins short term to give the young QB time. But everyone should keep in mind that it's not very likely that QB will be better than what we already have. 

Think about this: In just 3 games, Cousins has had 2 receivers fumble in the red zone.  He’s also had 2 TD passes hit his receivers in the hands only to be stolen away (Bucs) or tipped into a pick (Chargers). Despite this he still leads the league in passing yards, TDs, completions and completions over 20 yards. He has 1075 yards, 9 TDs and 2 INTs. And yes, both picks hit his receivers in the hands. 

I think our Offense is only a draft/offseason away of being fine if done right - IOL.  That would benefit the drafted young QB to come in year 2.  

Hunter is gone after this season with no compensation, and he is our best Defender.  Our entire Defense is devoid of talent except for Safety.  

Overall, this sucks but I really do think we are in a year or two of rebuild mode.  My remaining concern is if Kwesi is the guy to do it?  So far, I am very concerned about that.  The only positives in about 40 player decisions is trading for Hock and finding an UDFA LB.  

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"ArizonaViking" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"ArizonaViking" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: I want us to take a QB in the 1st round of the '24 draft. And I think we will. It's time. I also think we'll extend Cousins short term to give the young QB time. But everyone should keep in mind that it's not very likely that QB will be better than what we already have. 

Think about this: In just 3 games, Cousins has had 2 receivers fumble in the red zone.  He’s also had 2 TD passes hit his receivers in the hands only to be stolen away (Bucs) or tipped into a pick (Chargers). Despite this he still leads the league in passing yards, TDs, completions and completions over 20 yards. He has 1075 yards, 9 TDs and 2 INTs. And yes, both picks hit his receivers in the hands. 

Some fans think Kirk is the problem.....they'll only realize that he wasn't after he's been gone. 

Yes, Cousins is a pure pocket passer with limited mobility and pocket awareness, we all know that.  But as fast as the pocket collapses due to the massive push straight up the middle of the interior line, Cousins has held up extremely well and actually perform really well all considering.  I know the majority here want a running quarterback that can pass too and are looking real hard for the quarterback of the future.  But until the organization address the interior lines on both sides of the ball, the team will still have the same results.  Any new quarterback regardless, playing behind this existing line is literally putting his own life in danger.  Look at Andrew Luck when he was playing for the Colts.  He got beaten up so bad behind a shitty offensive line, he only played a few years and retired due to numerous injuries.  First order of business for the Viking is to fix both interior lines either through free agency or the draft.  Here's where they should spend their money.

I dont think you are right on what you think the majority wants,  for the most part IMO the majority still wants a passer,  just one that can move the pocket,  and when the defense allows take a free 5 yards or at least extend plays and make throws off script.  I dont know of many/any fans that want to see a running QB as those typically arent worth a shit as a passer and have considerably shorter careers.

I agree on the OL and DL though and have been screaming for years to prioritize those positions, but paying a statue QB top of the market money ( along with a few other shit contracts ) didnt leave much on the table for adding talent at the needed areas,  and then there is the draft.

Yeah, running QB was a bad description on my part.  More like a more mobile QB that can get outside or extend plays with his legs with the option of flinging the ball or gaining positive yards running.

also I sometimes wonder if the stonewall OL is a thing of the past,  the athleticism of todays DLs is getting so much better every year.  I am not saying we dont have room to improve,  but I wonder how much we can expect to gain without making some changes to our O including that mobile QB and making the location of the QB on every passing play more of a question to force defense to take a beat before pinning their ears back to rush directly back from the center on every pass play.

I think the most important aspect of QB success is having
the right system and supporting cast in place to properly develop the QB.  I think there’s a lot of dumpster fire teams
out there that destroy QBs that a better team could have developed into at
least starting caliber.  I think you need
an offensive minded coach, preferably one that is QB focused.  You need to have at least a decent OLine and
decent WR/TE group.  I think beyond that
the front office has to be good at finding out which guys are coachable and
which guys are either too dumb, too lazy or have too much ego to learn the
position.  After that, I think luck plays
a part.