113 QBs have been drafted since Kirk Cousins in 2012

@"ArizonaViking" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"ArizonaViking" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"ArizonaViking" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: I want us to take a QB in the 1st round of the '24 draft. And I think we will. It's time. I also think we'll extend Cousins short term to give the young QB time. But everyone should keep in mind that it's not very likely that QB will be better than what we already have. 

Think about this: In just 3 games, Cousins has had 2 receivers fumble in the red zone.  He’s also had 2 TD passes hit his receivers in the hands only to be stolen away (Bucs) or tipped into a pick (Chargers). Despite this he still leads the league in passing yards, TDs, completions and completions over 20 yards. He has 1075 yards, 9 TDs and 2 INTs. And yes, both picks hit his receivers in the hands. 

Some fans think Kirk is the problem.....they'll only realize that he wasn't after he's been gone. 

Yes, Cousins is a pure pocket passer with limited mobility and pocket awareness, we all know that.  But as fast as the pocket collapses due to the massive push straight up the middle of the interior line, Cousins has held up extremely well and actually perform really well all considering.  I know the majority here want a running quarterback that can pass too and are looking real hard for the quarterback of the future.  But until the organization address the interior lines on both sides of the ball, the team will still have the same results.  Any new quarterback regardless, playing behind this existing line is literally putting his own life in danger.  Look at Andrew Luck when he was playing for the Colts.  He got beaten up so bad behind a shitty offensive line, he only played a few years and retired due to numerous injuries.  First order of business for the Viking is to fix both interior lines either through free agency or the draft.  Here's where they should spend their money.

I dont think you are right on what you think the majority wants,  for the most part IMO the majority still wants a passer,  just one that can move the pocket,  and when the defense allows take a free 5 yards or at least extend plays and make throws off script.  I dont know of many/any fans that want to see a running QB as those typically arent worth a shit as a passer and have considerably shorter careers.

I agree on the OL and DL though and have been screaming for years to prioritize those positions, but paying a statue QB top of the market money ( along with a few other shit contracts ) didnt leave much on the table for adding talent at the needed areas,  and then there is the draft.

Yeah, running QB was a bad description on my part.  More like a more mobile QB that can get outside or extend plays with his legs with the option of flinging the ball or gaining positive yards running.

also I sometimes wonder if the stonewall OL is a thing of the past,  the athleticism of todays DLs is getting so much better every year.  I am not saying we dont have room to improve,  but I wonder how much we can expect to gain without making some changes to our O including that mobile QB and making the location of the QB on every passing play more of a question to force defense to take a beat before pinning their ears back to rush directly back from the center on every pass play.

You also got to take in account that there are some defensive ends and linebackers that can flat-out run just as fast as running backs and receivers, capable of closing space real quick.

@"MaroonBells" said: I want us to take a QB in the 1st round of the '24 draft. And I think we will. It's time. I also think we'll extend Cousins short term to give the young QB time. But everyone should keep in mind that it's not very likely that QB will be better than what we already have. 

Think about this: In just 3 games, Cousins has had 2 receivers fumble in the red zone.  He’s also had 2 TD passes hit his receivers in the hands only to be stolen away (Bucs) or tipped into a pick (Chargers). Despite this he still leads the league in passing yards, TDs, completions and completions over 20 yards. He has 1075 yards, 9 TDs and 2 INTs. And yes, both picks hit his receivers in the hands. 

@"DeepFreeze05" said: Well, Cousins hasn't really elevated the team after the team signed him for top dollars replacing Keenam. The year prior to his signing him, the Vikings played the NFC Championship game.

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: I want us to take a QB in the 1st round of the '24 draft. And I think we will. It's time. I also think we'll extend Cousins short term to give the young QB time. But everyone should keep in mind that it's not very likely that QB will be better than what we already have. 

Think about this: In just 3 games, Cousins has had 2 receivers fumble in the red zone.  He’s also had 2 TD passes hit his receivers in the hands only to be stolen away (Bucs) or tipped into a pick (Chargers). Despite this he still leads the league in passing yards, TDs, completions and completions over 20 yards. He has 1075 yards, 9 TDs and 2 INTs. And yes, both picks hit his receivers in the hands. 

Some fans think Kirk is the problem.....they'll only realize that he wasn't after he's been gone. 

@"StickyBun" said: Only one has won a Superbowl, Patrick Mahomes.

This isn't some quick automatic magic pill, drafting a new QB. Minnesota needs a lot of help outside that position. And the odds are against a QB selection making a gigantic impact. There are no auto fixes in the NFL. That doesn't mean you shouldn't draft them, it just means odds are lower it will hit. 

That is a very deceiving statement. Answer this question;
Out of the 113 QBs, how many have got to the Superbowl?
P.S. Also, Russell Wilson was picked only 27 spots before Cousins.

P.S. 2 - Also, Nick Foles was picked just 14 spots before Cousins.

@"MaroonBells" said: I want us to take a QB in the 1st round of the '24 draft. And I think we will. It's time. I also think we'll extend Cousins short term to give the young QB time. But everyone should keep in mind that it's not very likely that QB will be better than what we already have. 

Think about this: In just 3 games, Cousins has had 2 receivers fumble in the red zone.  He’s also had 2 TD passes hit his receivers in the hands only to be stolen away (Bucs) or tipped into a pick (Chargers). Despite this he still leads the league in passing yards, TDs, completions and completions over 20 yards. He has 1075 yards, 9 TDs and 2 INTs. And yes, both picks hit his receivers in the hands. 

I'm already resigned to the fact that we'll have lesser QB play from any QB other than Kirko in 2024. While I used to think that it was best for a rookie QB to sit a year, I now believe that they're better off gaining experience by playing from Game #1. Of course, in our case in would be foolish to trot out a rookie QB without substantial upgrades to our IOL.

To me the Chargers game clearly showed the difference between having a great QB & a good one…

Of those 10:

• 4 for Brady, the single best QB of all time
  
• 2 for Mahomes
  
• 1 for Peyton Manning, a #1 pick
  
• 1 for Stafford, a #1 pick
  
• 1 for Foles, who was replacing an injured Wentz, who was the #2 pick
  
• 1 for Russell Wilson, a 3rd round pick
  
• 1 for Joe Flacco, a first round pick
  

• 4 (1 each) for Brady, Peyton, Mahomes, and Russ
  
• 1 for Hurts, and 2nd round pick
  
• 1 for Burrow, a #1 pick
  
• 1 for Garropolo, a 2nd round pick
  
• 1 for Goff, a #1 pick
  
• 1 for Newton, a #1 pick
  
• 1 for Kaepernick, a 2nd rounder replacing a #1 pick
  

@"Kentis" said: To me the Chargers game clearly showed the difference between having a great QB & a good one…

@"minny65" said:

@"Kentis" said: To me the Chargers game clearly showed the difference between having a great QB & a good one…

Yea and Staley should be fired for multiple reasons including that head scratching 4th down call that almost won us the game.  He is supposed to be a Defensive guru and his defenses the last few years have been horrible.  I do think Herbert is a franchise QB but they are doing a terrible job surrounding him - IMO 

@"purplefaithful" said: I don't recall the poster, but the post was spot on. 

EVERY NFL team who drafts a qb believes they did the necessary due diligence.  

You just gotta be lucky on top of being good at drafting. 

QB isnt the Vikings problem, its the trenches and now RB too. 

@"Kentis" said:

@"minny65" said:

@"Kentis" said: To me the Chargers game clearly showed the difference between having a great QB & a good one…

Yea and Staley should be fired for multiple reasons including that head scratching 4th down call that almost won us the game.  He is supposed to be a Defensive guru and his defenses the last few years have been horrible.  I do think Herbert is a franchise QB but they are doing a terrible job surrounding him - IMO 

I just hope the Chargers keep him employed, so his best friend doesn’t hire him!!! 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"Kentis" said:

@"minny65" said:

@"Kentis" said: To me the Chargers game clearly showed the difference between having a great QB & a good one…

Yea and Staley should be fired for multiple reasons including that head scratching 4th down call that almost won us the game.  He is supposed to be a Defensive guru and his defenses the last few years have been horrible.  I do think Herbert is a franchise QB but they are doing a terrible job surrounding him - IMO 

I just hope the Chargers keep him employed, so his best friend doesn’t hire him!!! 

lol, the NFL broadcasts and their storylines. You'd think the two BFFs met at midfield, hugged intensely for a full minute and then skipped off the field holding hands. 'We are besties! (valley girl voice)

@"Kentis" said: To me the Chargers game clearly showed the difference between having a great QB & a good one…

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"Kentis" said: To me the Chargers game clearly showed the difference between having a great QB & a good one…

To me the Chargers game clearly showed the difference between having a defense & a talentless one...

We would be a much better team if we just let Mel Kiper make our picks.

@"FLVike" said: We would be a much better team if we just let Mel Kiper make our picks.