Vikes new blocking TE

@"PurplePastor" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:@"1VikesFan" said:

https://twitter.com/nacholeber/status/1635359637091536897?t=KTOF4O2Nc9k7296zyihkpw&s=19

Thats an interesting take...Just as I was finally getting used to 11 personnel too.

12 personnel just sounds like a penalty waiting to be called.

Wah!  the Vikings are over the cap and cannot sign any FAs!

Wah!  the Vikings never sign anybody in FA!!!

Wah!  I don't like that guy... I want MY mancrush!

Wah!!!!!!

It is hard to figure out the mind of Kwesi.  He is consistently proving to us he is the smartest man in the room.  I am with Supa.  The money needs to be spend on defense, a center, a receiver to replace Thielen, and more defense.

I am sure there will be other under the radar moves that he will bloviate about telling us how they meet the "talent threshold" or something along those lines.

I mean, I thought Mundt was his guy?  I guess it is OK if you ignore the fact that the tight end class in this draft is super deep.

The hard part though is the 3 yr 21M.  Why so much?  Baffling.

Tin foil hat time and feel free to tell me I've lost it, ease up, and pass it along.

Is there a chance that the talks with Hockenson (we have to assume this GM is doing his job and already spoke with Hock's agent about an extension) did not go as well as Kwesi hoped?  Is Hock asking for too much?

I know there is a lot of time left so I'll see.

I don't get this 

O’Connell identified improving the running game as an offseason priority on offense, I’d say this acquisition is in line w/ that thinking.

So instead of keeping Kendricks or Theilen we would rather have a blocking TE  :#

@"MarkSP18" said: It is hard to figure out the mind of Kwesi.  He is consistently proving to us he is the smartest man in the room.  I am with Supa.  The money needs to be spend on defense, a center, a receiver to replace Thielen, and more defense.

I am sure there will be other under the radar moves that he will bloviate about telling us how they meet the "talent threshold" or something along those lines.

I mean, I thought Mundt was his guy?  I guess it is OK if you ignore the fact that the tight end class in this draft is super deep.

The hard part though is the 3 yr 21M.  Why so much?  Baffling.

Tin foil hat time and feel free to tell me I've lost it, ease up, and pass it along.

Is there a chance that the talks with Hockenson (we have to assume this GM is doing his job and already spoke with Hock's agent about an extension) did not go as well as Kwesi hoped?  Is Hock asking for too much?

I know there is a lot of time left so I'll see.

That's a great point about Mundt, who's fortay is blocking and his ability in that department was highlighted in numerous games last season. Probably could have just re-signed Johnny for half of what they paid this new guy. Just ridiculous money allocation, and yes, nevermind that this is the deepest TE draft class in over a decade. Like I said, file this away as just the latest wtf move by our new front office. 

@"Kentis" said: O’Connell identified improving the running game as an offseason priority on offense, I’d say this acquisition is in line w/ that thinking.

Yeah, hopefully he remembers to call those plays on his sheet next year.  But I do like the move.

Which of our 4 picks did you want to use on a TE…? (sorry 5  ;) ) 

This is a great pickup.

Our running game (and screen game) sucked last year.   This guy was #8 overall TE by PFF and one of the best, if not thee best run blocker.  Having him on the field gives you more flexibility with Hockensen going down the field.  Most importantly his capabilities can help open up Jefferson for more one on ones.  Running game improves, you force a safety in the box.  With Hock, JJ, and a potential speedster 2WR (damn missing out on Williams and Watson last year), someone is going to have single coverage.

Cap wise, this is either 2 or 3 years for $10.5M guaranteed.  If you cut Ham, which you should if he is not going to have a strong role at $3.5M, then this contract barely registers but your roster and gameplan is better.

Good way to start the signings.

(Plus word is he is best friend's with the other purple 8#)

This is a great move if your OLine sucks and needs some
assistance and if your QB is only really looking at the top 2 receiving targets
anyway.  It ensures we don’t need to get
better at C or RG as we can let Oliver take on the edge rusher, O’Neill, Ingram,
and whoever the C is can figure out the interior DL, and now we don’t have to
replace Thielen anymore and can cut Ham. 
This is wins all the way around.

All sarcasm aside, we really need to discourage this X years
for Y dollars twitter reporting, because it’s completely meaningless in this
era of contracts with pretend money where you are expecting to cut them before
the end of the contract.  I’m sure they
did this because it allows them to cut Ham but ensure they have a TE/FB blocker
in the building with a contract of 100k in 2023.

@"Kentis" said: Which of our 4 picks did you want to use on a TE…? (sorry 5  ;) ) 

Well how much of our slim salary cap savings did you want to spend on the backup TE position? I'm guessing everybody's answer would be none, but this draft class is loaded and if they really wanted to address the backup TE position so badly there were cheaper avenues to do that. I'm still blown away that this was our first move in free agency. 

@"Skodin" said: This is a great pickup.

Our running game (and screen game) sucked last year.   This guy was #8 overall TE by PFF and one of the best, if not thee best run blocker.  Having him on the field gives you more flexibility with Hockensen going down the field.  Most importantly his capabilities can help open up Jefferson for more one on ones.  Running game improves, you force a safety in the box.  With Hock, JJ, and a potential speedster 2WR (damn missing out on Williams and Watson last year), someone is going to have single coverage.

Cap wise, this is either 2 or 3 years for $10.5M guaranteed.  If you cut Ham, which you should if he is not going to have a strong role at $3.5M, then this contract barely registers but your roster and gameplan is better.

Good way to start the signings.

(Plus word is he is best friend's with the other purple 8#)

Do you think this means they will leave Cook's deal as is and keep him?

@"supafreak84" said:

@"Kentis" said: Which of our 4 picks did you want to use on a TE…? (sorry 5  ;) ) 

Well how much of our slim salary cap savings did you want to spend on the backup TE position? I'm guessing everybody's answer would be none, but this draft class is loaded and if they really wanted to address the backup TE position so badly there were cheaper avenues to do that. I'm still blown away that this was our first move in free agency. 

@"JR44" said: So instead of keeping Kendricks or Theilen we would rather have a blocking TE  :#

So you think we should have kept the two slow aging expensive vets?

@"Skodin" said: This is a great pickup.

Our running game (and screen game) sucked last year.   This guy was #8 overall TE by PFF and one of the best, if not thee best run blocker.  Having him on the field gives you more flexibility with Hockensen going down the field.  Most importantly his capabilities can help open up Jefferson for more one on ones.  Running game improves, you force a safety in the box.  With Hock, JJ, and a potential speedster 2WR (damn missing out on Williams and Watson last year), someone is going to have single coverage.

Cap wise, this is either 2 or 3 years for $10.5M guaranteed.  If you cut Ham, which you should if he is not going to have a strong role at $3.5M, then this contract barely registers but your roster and gameplan is better.

Good way to start the signings.

(Plus word is he is best friend's with the other purple 8#)

you beat me to it,  I was going to say this is just to make KCs replacment feel at home.  ( although I would like bitch more if they went with Jackson )

@"Kentis" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"Kentis" said: Which of our 4 picks did you want to use on a TE…? (sorry 5  ;) ) 

Well how much of our slim salary cap savings did you want to spend on the backup TE position? I'm guessing everybody's answer would be none, but this draft class is loaded and if they really wanted to address the backup TE position so badly there were cheaper avenues to do that. I'm still blown away that this was our first move in free agency. 

If they’re running a lot of 12 personnel, which seems to be in the cards, he won’t be the backup.

@"supafreak84" said:

@"Kentis" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"Kentis" said: Which of our 4 picks did you want to use on a TE…? (sorry 5  ;) ) 

Well how much of our slim salary cap savings did you want to spend on the backup TE position? I'm guessing everybody's answer would be none, but this draft class is loaded and if they really wanted to address the backup TE position so badly there were cheaper avenues to do that. I'm still blown away that this was our first move in free agency. 

If they’re running a lot of 12 personnel, which seems to be in the cards, he won’t be the backup.

That's more of a Zimmer style offense and not what KOC typically runs, which is a more wide open, 3 WR sets, and getting the ball down the field in the passing game. If he is wanting to run the ball more now in 12 personnel, he better hold on to Dalvin Cook. 

@"supafreak84" said:

@"Kentis" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"Kentis" said: Which of our 4 picks did you want to use on a TE…? (sorry 5  ;) ) 

Well how much of our slim salary cap savings did you want to spend on the backup TE position? I'm guessing everybody's answer would be none, but this draft class is loaded and if they really wanted to address the backup TE position so badly there were cheaper avenues to do that. I'm still blown away that this was our first move in free agency. 

If they’re running a lot of 12 personnel, which seems to be in the cards, he won’t be the backup.

That's more of a Zimmer style offense and not what KOC typically runs, which is a more wide open, 3 WR sets, and getting the ball down the field in the passing game. If he is wanting to run the ball more now in 12 personnel, he better hold on to Dalvin Cook. 

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"Kentis" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"Kentis" said: Which of our 4 picks did you want to use on a TE…? (sorry 5  ;) ) 

Well how much of our slim salary cap savings did you want to spend on the backup TE position? I'm guessing everybody's answer would be none, but this draft class is loaded and if they really wanted to address the backup TE position so badly there were cheaper avenues to do that. I'm still blown away that this was our first move in free agency. 

If they’re running a lot of 12 personnel, which seems to be in the cards, he won’t be the backup.

That's more of a Zimmer style offense and not what KOC typically runs, which is a more wide open, 3 WR sets, and getting the ball down the field in the passing game. If he is wanting to run the ball more now in 12 personnel, he better hold on to Dalvin Cook. 

I'm not convinced they'll keep Cook...Might depend on how much they can re-sign Mattison for? Go with Mattison, Fast Kenny and Chandler.