The Jets meeting with Rodgers

@"1VikesFan" said:

@"pattersaur" said: Waiting to hear the conditions on next year’s pick. If it does wind up being a first that’s a pretty good haul for them, all things considered. 

Turns into a 1st if Rodger's plays 65% or more of the Jets offensive plays.

@"badgervike" said: From ESPN:

"The Packers agreed Monday to deal quarterback Aaron Rodgers and their 2023 first round pick (No. 15 overall) and a 2023 fifth-round pick (No. 170) to the Jets for New York's 2023 first-round pick (No. 13 overall), a 2023 second round pick (No. 42), a 2023 sixth-round pick (No. 207) and a conditional 2024 second-ro0und pick that becomes a first if Rodgers plays 65% of the plays this season, sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter on Monday."

So..it's really 2 second round picks (assuming Rodgers plays 65%) plus a swap of #1 picks and a swap of GB's 5th for a NYJ 6th.  

Seems like a lot of swapping to make it look like GB got more for him.  Looks like they got a #2 and conditional #2 and gave up a #5.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/36282465/sources-packers-trade-aaron-rodgers-jets-multiple-picks

Thats what i'm thinking too.It's a lot of swapping and can start sniffing "lucrative" if he hits playing incentives.

He got dinged last year, but outside of the Barr hit, he's been remarkably durable for a long time. 

If I was a Jets fan? I would be wondering if I got more than just a 1 year rental with this trade. I really wonder how much Rogers really wants to play anymore.

Maybe this is what he needs to light a fire for a season? 

Another positive is not having to hear many commentators talking about him because there won't be 2 games per year against the Vikings 

The swap of 13 and 15 is equivalent to an early 4th rounder. So Rodgers to New York for a 2nd and a 4th, with a pick that could become a 1st rounder in '24 if Rodgers meets certain conditions, which I'm guessing since he's now on the Jets, he won't. 

Sounds about right. Packers did well to get anything for a QB who really wasn't very good last year, and who turns 40 before the season ends. 

Say goodbye to Aaron Rodgers, Vikings fans. Enjoy some Packers instability.Brett Favre and Rodgers' run of quarterback stability and historical excellence in Green Bay will likely never be seen again.Football historians may one day view this as wishfully premature thinking on behalf of Vikings fans, but let's tentatively assume for now that Jordan Love, Green Bay's new No. 1 quarterback, will not spend the next decade and a half winning multiple league MVPs, a Super Bowl, and a trip to Canton, Ohio, to join Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers as a first-ballot Pro Football Hall of Famer.
If that is indeed the case, then, by gosh Vikings fans, The Streak has ended!
Finally.
A run of blessed quarterback stability and historical excellence the likes of which we'll never see again — maybe — is O-V-E-R!
Favre started this unimaginable stretch on Sept. 27, 1992, with the first of his NFL-record 297 consecutive starts, 253 of which came in Green Bay.
Gas cost $1.13 a gallon. Phones were attached to walls. George Bush's dad was president. The internet? What's that?
For those trying to count the days between Sept. 27, 1992, and Monday's reported trade that sent Rodgers to the Jets, don't forget that SEVEN leap years have come and gone since the Packers last had a No. 1 quarterback not named Favre or Rodgers.
Seven.
Taking those seven Feb. 29ths into account, that's a reign of 11,167 days. That's 30 years, 6 months and 29 days.
That's 31 seasons in which Favre and Rodgers have combined to win seven league MVPs, three conference titles and two Super Bowls.
Favre or Rodgers have started 519 of the 538 games (96.5%), including playoffs, since Favre supplanted Don Majkowski in a 17-3 win over the Steelers on a 58-degree afternoon in front of 58,724 fans at Lambeau Field.
A mere pup of 22 years and 353 days, Favre completed 14 of 19 passes for 210 yards, no interceptions, a 144.6 passer rating and touchdowns to Robert Brooks and Sterling Sharpe. Not too shabby for a guy whose first play as a Packer the week before was a batted pass that Favre himself caught for a 7-yard loss.
While Favre (160-53) and Rodgers (147-75-1) were going a combined 307-168-1 in the regular season (.646) and 23-20 in the postseason (.535), the Vikings were trotting out 26 starting quarterbacks that went 272-221-2 (.552) in the regular season and 8-16 (.333) in the playoffs.
Against the Vikings, Favre and Rodgers went a combined 34-25-1 (.575) in the regular season and 1-1 in the playoffs. As Packers QBs, they were more dominant against the Bears and Lions in both the NFC Central and now the NFC North. Against the Bears, they went a combined 47-18 (.723) in the regular season and 1-0 in the playoffs. Against the Lions, they were 44-17 (.721) in the regular season.
The Packers won 15 of 31 division titles with Favre and Rodgers. The Vikings won nine, the Bears five, the Lions one and the Buccaneers one in the NFC Central.
The first Vikings quarterback to start against this dynamic duo was journeyman backup Sean Salisbury at the Metrodome on Dec. 27, 1992. Salisbury won 27-7 while throwing for 292 yards, no interceptions and two touchdowns, including a 34-yarder to a tight end named Mike Tice. Favre threw three interceptions, no touchdowns and had a 43.4 passer rating.
Daunte Culpepper holds the franchise mark for wins against Favre or Rodgers (five). He went 4-6 in the regular season and 1-0 in the playoffs, all coming against Favre.
Kirk Cousins went 4-4-1, all against Rodgers. Warren Moon is the only other quarterback to win more than two. He went 3-2, all against Favre.
Four Vikings quarterbacks beat Favre or Rodgers twice: Jim McMahon (2-0), Case Keenum (2-0), Randall Cunningham (2-1) and, oh yeah, Favre himself (2-2). Favre swept Rodgers in two all-time classics in 2009 before being swept during the all-time nightmarish 2010 season.
As a Viking, Favre won 18 games, including one in the playoffs. Among the 26 Purple starters since Sept. 27, 1992, that ranks fourth behind Cousins (47), Culpepper (40) and Brad Johnson (28).
Favre played 16 seasons in Green Bay, winning three MVPs, before the Packers grew tired of him and traded him to the Jets to make room for Rodgers, a 24thoverall draft pick who had spent three years as a backup. A year later, Favre ended up in Minnesota.
Rodgers spent 15 years as a starter in Green Bay, winning four MVPs, before the Packers grew tired of him and traded him to the Jets to make room for Love, a 26thoverall draft pick who has, you got it, spent three years as a backup.
So, for now at least, The Streak is O-V-E-R!
Unless, of course … Love plays 14 seasons in Green Bay, winning five MVPs, before the Packers grow tired of him, trade him to the Jets and he ends up as the Vikings' starter a year later in 2038.
Let's assume that won't happen. Tentatively, of course.
https://www.startribune.com/aaron-rodgers-trade-packers-jets-brett-favre-minnesota-vikings-mark-craig/600269695/

@"JR44" said: Wow they really took the Jets to the cleaners, a 1st and 2nd for a guy on the last legs of his career and who is a total obnoxious me guy.  Was hoping the Packers would not get too much, this is a great move for them. 

@"MaroonBells" said: The swap of 13 and 15 is equivalent to an early 4th rounder. So Rodgers to New York for a 2nd and a 4th, with a pick that could become a 1st rounder in '24 if Rodgers meets certain conditions, which I'm guessing since he's now on the Jets, he won't. 

Sounds about right. Packers did well to get anything for a QB who really wasn't very good last year, and who turns 40 before the season ends. 

@"AGRforever" said:

@"JR44" said: Wow they really took the Jets to the cleaners, a 1st and 2nd for a guy on the last legs of his career and who is a total obnoxious me guy.  Was hoping the Packers would not get too much, this is a great move for them. 

Didnt the Broncos just pay like 3x 1sts for Wilson?

Packers got the better end of this for sure, but it was certainly always going to be this way when the Jets GM said weeks ago, 'we'll get this done'. They were all in and the Packers knew it. They've been talking since early March about this. 

The team hasn't seen much of Jordan Love actually playing live NFL football. But they were done with the Rodgers drama, I get it. 

@"StickyBun" said: Packers got the better end of this for sure, but it was certainly always going to be this way when the Jets GM said weeks ago, 'we'll get this done'. They were all in and the Packers knew it. They've been talking since early March about this. 

The team hasn't seen much of Jordan Love actually playing live NFL football. But they were done with the Rodgers drama, I get it. 

In a perfect world, Cousins blows up in year two of the offense, we extend him and we're able to give our young QB as much time to develop. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"StickyBun" said: Packers got the better end of this for sure, but it was certainly always going to be this way when the Jets GM said weeks ago, 'we'll get this done'. They were all in and the Packers knew it. They've been talking since early March about this. 

The team hasn't seen much of Jordan Love actually playing live NFL football. But they were done with the Rodgers drama, I get it. 

I have a feeling Love is going to be pretty good. Kills me to say this, but the Packers have done this the right way. Rodgers got three years to develop. Love got three as well. 

In a perfect world, Cousins blows up in year two of the offense, we extend him and we're able to give our young QB as much time to develop. 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"StickyBun" said: Packers got the better end of this for sure, but it was certainly always going to be this way when the Jets GM said weeks ago, 'we'll get this done'. They were all in and the Packers knew it. They've been talking since early March about this. 

The team hasn't seen much of Jordan Love actually playing live NFL football. But they were done with the Rodgers drama, I get it. 

I have a feeling Love is going to be pretty good. Kills me to say this, but the Packers have done this the right way. Rodgers got three years to develop. Love got three as well. 

In a perfect world, Cousins blows up in year two of the offense, we extend him and we're able to give our young QB as much time to develop. 

My feeling is he isn't. And the Packers can blow smoke until the cows come home but they don't know either. Its their opinion, impossible to know without shooting a lot more live bullets when it counts. Like any other QB, we won't know about Love until the end of NEXT season. Lots of full time, first time starters come out hot starting then flamed in Year 2 when the league got enough video on them. We'll see.

I'm going with 8...

the over/under for # of prime time/national games the Jets will play this year. 

@"JR44" said:

@"AGRforever" said:

@"JR44" said: Wow they really took the Jets to the cleaners, a 1st and 2nd for a guy on the last legs of his career and who is a total obnoxious me guy.  Was hoping the Packers would not get too much, this is a great move for them. 

Didnt the Broncos just pay like 3x 1sts for Wilson?

Wilson was 33 at the time of the trade, Rodger is 39, very significant difference

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"StickyBun" said: Packers got the better end of this for sure, but it was certainly always going to be this way when the Jets GM said weeks ago, 'we'll get this done'. They were all in and the Packers knew it. They've been talking since early March about this. 

The team hasn't seen much of Jordan Love actually playing live NFL football. But they were done with the Rodgers drama, I get it. 

I have a feeling Love is going to be pretty good. Kills me to say this, but the Packers have done this the right way. Rodgers got three years to develop. Love got three as well. 

In a perfect world, Cousins blows up in year two of the offense, we extend him and we're able to give our young QB as much time to develop. 

My feeling is he isn't. And the Packers can blow smoke until the cows come home but they don't know either. Its their opinion, impossible to know without shooting a lot more live bullets when it counts. Like any other QB, we won't know about Love until the end of NEXT season. Lots of full time, first time starters come out hot starting then flamed in Year 2 when the league got enough video on them. We'll see.

Just the fact that they let Rodgers walk makes me think they believe in him. If a QB doesn't have it in Green Bay, like Brohm or Kizer or Hundley, they've recognized it pretty early and moved on. They didn't move on from Love; they moved on from Rodgers. I think they like him. 

Not saying he'll be another Rodgers or Favre. That seems extremely unlikely. But I have a hunch he's going to be a very capable NFL QB. 

@"greediron" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"StickyBun" said: Packers got the better end of this for sure, but it was certainly always going to be this way when the Jets GM said weeks ago, 'we'll get this done'. They were all in and the Packers knew it. They've been talking since early March about this. 

The team hasn't seen much of Jordan Love actually playing live NFL football. But they were done with the Rodgers drama, I get it. 

I have a feeling Love is going to be pretty good. Kills me to say this, but the Packers have done this the right way. Rodgers got three years to develop. Love got three as well. 

In a perfect world, Cousins blows up in year two of the offense, we extend him and we're able to give our young QB as much time to develop. 

My feeling is he isn't. And the Packers can blow smoke until the cows come home but they don't know either. Its their opinion, impossible to know without shooting a lot more live bullets when it counts. Like any other QB, we won't know about Love until the end of NEXT season. Lots of full time, first time starters come out hot starting then flamed in Year 2 when the league got enough video on them. We'll see.

Just the fact that they let Rodgers walk makes me think they believe in him. If a QB doesn't have it in Green Bay, like Brohm or Kizer or Hundley, they've recognized it pretty early and moved on. They didn't move on from Love; they moved on from Rodgers. I think they like him. 

Not saying he'll be another Rodgers or Favre. That seems extremely unlikely. But I have a hunch he's going to be a very capable NFL QB. 

They moved on from Hundley and others because they still had Rodgers.  But Rodgers has been toying with them and not getting along, so they need to move on.  They are betting on an unknown.  If this was Hundley at this time in the career, they would be playing it the same.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"StickyBun" said: Packers got the better end of this for sure, but it was certainly always going to be this way when the Jets GM said weeks ago, 'we'll get this done'. They were all in and the Packers knew it. They've been talking since early March about this. 

The team hasn't seen much of Jordan Love actually playing live NFL football. But they were done with the Rodgers drama, I get it. 

I have a feeling Love is going to be pretty good. Kills me to say this, but the Packers have done this the right way. Rodgers got three years to develop. Love got three as well. 

In a perfect world, Cousins blows up in year two of the offense, we extend him and we're able to give our young QB as much time to develop. 

My feeling is he isn't. And the Packers can blow smoke until the cows come home but they don't know either. Its their opinion, impossible to know without shooting a lot more live bullets when it counts. Like any other QB, we won't know about Love until the end of NEXT season. Lots of full time, first time starters come out hot starting then flamed in Year 2 when the league got enough video on them. We'll see.

Just the fact that they let Rodgers walk makes me think they believe in him. If a QB doesn't have it in Green Bay, like Brohm or Kizer or Hundley, they've recognized it pretty early and moved on. They didn't move on from Love; they moved on from Rodgers. I think they like him. 

Not saying he'll be another Rodgers or Favre. That seems extremely unlikely. But I have a hunch he's going to be a very capable NFL QB. 

They moved on from Hundley and others because they still had Rodgers.  But Rodgers has been toying with them and not getting along, so they need to move on.  They are betting on an unknown.  If this was Hundley at this time in the career, they would be playing it the same.

Oh no I don't agree with that at all. I think they really like Love. Excited about him even.

But I do hope they're wrong on him, and end up taking a QB next year and beyond, jumping onto that QB carousel every team in the NFL has experienced EXCEPT Green Bay. I've said this before, but the last time the Packers were without a franchise QB, Herschel Walker was still on our roster and the Twins were world champions. TWO starting QBs over that time, not counting injury replacements. But there weren't many of those. 

There are teams like the Bears and Jets who have started over 50 QBs over that time period. Most due to injury, but that's a factor as well. Favre and Rodgers were remarkably durable. It's also one of the more underrated qualities of our current QB.