This is nothing against Cousins, but.....

I think it's just about who's available when we draft. I'm not opposed to drafting a QB, but I think we should probably extend Cousins again, let him grow in this new offense for a couple years. I think that gives us our best chance for a championship. Ideally, we have the right young QB developing in the pipeline over that time. 

@"StickyBun" said: ...isn't it time to draft a QB? Let's take advantage of a full year for sure of sitting and learning next season for a rookie. Some kid that is more mobile, bigger arm and more about the modern NFL. I really do like Cousins and that dude can be so accurate. I don't want this to be a bash KC thread, but he's got a few issues. JMO that this upcoming Draft is the right time to nab somebody. 

Thought the same thing last night.  You almost have to have a mobile QB in today's NFL.  I don't know if we should start the QB search in next years draft or not?  It's not like the Vikings should discount they have the 2nd best record in the NFL with what they have, so obviously something is working. 

@"MaroonBells" said: I think it's just about who's available when we draft. I'm not opposed to drafting a QB, but I think we should probably extend Cousins again, let him grow in this new offense for a couple years. I think that gives us our best chance for a championship. Ideally, we have the right young QB developing in the pipeline over that time. 

can the team afford to keep extending cousins?  we are currently carrying cap hits into 2 future years to make his ballooning salary work without having to take to many hits at other positions.  With JJ and TJ both needing new deals,  and the team already over the projected cap for 23,  how much more can the team afford to kick down the road before they have to start letting quality younger players walk?  yes we will likely get some relief from Harry, AT, Kendricks, and a few others,  but there are already other needs to fill with cap space to keep this team competitive.  If KC wants to keep playing for the Vikings IMO he needs to play for a more team friendly deal,  or its time for the team to move on after 23.  IMO the only way they rework his deal after this season is if he agrees to future years at current money so that his % of the cap drops in years he is actually active for.  No more cap being spread into years not under contract IMO.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: I think it's just about who's available when we draft. I'm not opposed to drafting a QB, but I think we should probably extend Cousins again, let him grow in this new offense for a couple years. I think that gives us our best chance for a championship. Ideally, we have the right young QB developing in the pipeline over that time. 

can the team afford to keep extending cousins?  we are currently carrying cap hits into 2 future years to make his ballooning salary work without having to take to many hits at other positions.  With JJ and TJ both needing new deals,  and the team already over the projected cap for 23,  how much more can the team afford to kick down the road before they have to start letting quality younger players walk?  yes we will likely get some relief from Harry, AT, Kendricks, and a few others,  but there are already other needs to fill with cap space to keep this team competitive.  If KC wants to keep playing for the Vikings IMO he needs to play for a more team friendly deal,  or its time for the team to move on after 23.  IMO the only way they rework his deal after this season is if he agrees to future years at current money so that his % of the cap drops in years he is actually active for.  No more cap being spread into years not under contract IMO.

@"AGRforever" said:

@"StickyBun" said: ...isn't it time to draft a QB? Let's take advantage of a full year for sure of sitting and learning next season for a rookie. Some kid that is more mobile, bigger arm and more about the modern NFL. I really do like Cousins and that dude can be so accurate. I don't want this to be a bash KC thread, but he's got a few issues. JMO that this upcoming Draft is the right time to nab somebody. 

Thought the same thing last night.  You almost have to have a mobile QB in today's NFL.  I don't know if we should start the QB search in next years draft or not?  It's not like the Vikings should discount they have the 2nd best record in the NFL with what they have, so obviously something is working. 

With Cousins as he ages, you'll need a great OL and good weapons.  Usually neither is cheap and in a couple of years Jefferson is going to eat up some serious cap.  Time to draft a young mobile QB.  I would also send the Jets a 6th for Wilson too to see what you can mold out of him.

With upgraded play from the RG position on offense, a young cheap mobile QB could do quite well with all the weapons, Darrisaw, ONeill, Cleveland, Jefferson, TJ, KJ, Nailor with Chandler and Kene at RB.

Save the picks for reloading the front 7 of the defense and hope that Cine, Evans, Booth can be quality NFL starters with Bynum and Dantzler

I would assume this new regime will draft a QB at some point. Maybe this off-season or the one after that...  Based on the trade for Nick Mullens and cutting both Mannion and Mond, I think they realize the importance of the QB position (and having a viable backup).  Could be a nice change from the Zimmer/Spielman era where we actually try to draft/acquire QBs instead of having a veteran and taking late round fliers on guys.

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"AGRforever" said:

@"StickyBun" said: ...isn't it time to draft a QB? Let's take advantage of a full year for sure of sitting and learning next season for a rookie. Some kid that is more mobile, bigger arm and more about the modern NFL. I really do like Cousins and that dude can be so accurate. I don't want this to be a bash KC thread, but he's got a few issues. JMO that this upcoming Draft is the right time to nab somebody. 

Thought the same thing last night.  You almost have to have a mobile QB in today's NFL.  I don't know if we should start the QB search in next years draft or not?  It's not like the Vikings should discount they have the 2nd best record in the NFL with what they have, so obviously something is working. 

We dont have a bunch of picks next year either...

We're going to be drafting in the mid or high 20's. Maybe someone falls precipitously?

Lots of needs on this team, on the D all over and in both trenches. But yah, they need a QBOTF and most likely a very mobile/athletic one. They were discussing this very thing on the Pack/Eagles game. 

Philly got a nice bargain getting Hurts in the 2nd rd. He keeps a mobile QB with a good arm tradition going in Philly:

Cunningham
Vick
McNabb
Hurts

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"AGRforever" said:

@"StickyBun" said: ...isn't it time to draft a QB? Let's take advantage of a full year for sure of sitting and learning next season for a rookie. Some kid that is more mobile, bigger arm and more about the modern NFL. I really do like Cousins and that dude can be so accurate. I don't want this to be a bash KC thread, but he's got a few issues. JMO that this upcoming Draft is the right time to nab somebody. 

Thought the same thing last night.  You almost have to have a mobile QB in today's NFL.  I don't know if we should start the QB search in next years draft or not?  It's not like the Vikings should discount they have the 2nd best record in the NFL with what they have, so obviously something is working. 

We dont have a bunch of picks next year either...

We're going to be drafting in the mid or high 20's. Maybe someone falls precipitously?

Lots of needs on this team, on the D all over and in both trenches. But yah, they need a QBOTF and most likely a very mobile/athletic one. They were discussing this very thing on the Pack/Eagles game. 

Philly got a nice bargain getting Hurts in the 2nd rd. He keeps a mobile QB with a good arm tradition going in Philly:

Cunningham
Vick
McNabb
Hurts

I dont necessarily think we need a "mobile" guy in the mold of those that you listed,  but we need a QB that has pocket instincts and is willing to make teams pay for overplaying the pass.  IMO that is what is really holding our current O back is Kirks lack of pocket skills,  and unwillingness or inability to see that free 5 yards or more when those LBs are dropping into passing lanes and the DL is leaving huge gaps.  a guy like Rogers was when he was really giving our D fits,  if you didnt overplay the pass he killed you down field,  if you didnt maintain your rush lanes and your LB depth he would just say fuck it and take the free 5 to 10 yards.  they dont grow on trees,  but you dont find one if you arent looking either.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: I think it's just about who's available when we draft. I'm not opposed to drafting a QB, but I think we should probably extend Cousins again, let him grow in this new offense for a couple years. I think that gives us our best chance for a championship. Ideally, we have the right young QB developing in the pipeline over that time. 

can the team afford to keep extending cousins?  we are currently carrying cap hits into 2 future years to make his ballooning salary work without having to take to many hits at other positions.  With JJ and TJ both needing new deals,  and the team already over the projected cap for 23,  how much more can the team afford to kick down the road before they have to start letting quality younger players walk?  yes we will likely get some relief from Harry, AT, Kendricks, and a few others,  but there are already other needs to fill with cap space to keep this team competitive.  If KC wants to keep playing for the Vikings IMO he needs to play for a more team friendly deal,  or its time for the team to move on after 23.  IMO the only way they rework his deal after this season is if he agrees to future years at current money so that his % of the cap drops in years he is actually active for.  No more cap being spread into years not under contract IMO.

@"StickyBun" said: ...isn't it time to draft a QB? Let's take advantage of a full year for sure of sitting and learning next season for a rookie. Some kid that is more mobile, bigger arm and more about the modern NFL. I really do like Cousins and that dude can be so accurate. I don't want this to be a bash KC thread, but he's got a few issues. JMO that this upcoming Draft is the right time to nab somebody. 

I think the saying is, the best time to draft a QB was several years ago.  The second best time is now.

@"greediron" said:

@"StickyBun" said: ...isn't it time to draft a QB? Let's take advantage of a full year for sure of sitting and learning next season for a rookie. Some kid that is more mobile, bigger arm and more about the modern NFL. I really do like Cousins and that dude can be so accurate. I don't want this to be a bash KC thread, but he's got a few issues. JMO that this upcoming Draft is the right time to nab somebody. 

I think the saying is, the best time to draft a QB was several years ago.  The second best time is now.

The simplest way for the Vikes to get out of the cap purgatory that they find themselves in is to move on from Kirko after the 2023 season. By all means, draft the QBOTF in the 2023 draft.

I am totally down with drafting a QB. I am not sure who would be available in the late 1st, but if there is a good prospect who fits the offense, then it would be great to get out of Cousins' contract.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: I think it's just about who's available when we draft. I'm not opposed to drafting a QB, but I think we should probably extend Cousins again, let him grow in this new offense for a couple years. I think that gives us our best chance for a championship. Ideally, we have the right young QB developing in the pipeline over that time. 

can the team afford to keep extending cousins?  we are currently carrying cap hits into 2 future years to make his ballooning salary work without having to take to many hits at other positions.  With JJ and TJ both needing new deals,  and the team already over the projected cap for 23,  how much more can the team afford to kick down the road before they have to start letting quality younger players walk?  yes we will likely get some relief from Harry, AT, Kendricks, and a few others,  but there are already other needs to fill with cap space to keep this team competitive.  If KC wants to keep playing for the Vikings IMO he needs to play for a more team friendly deal,  or its time for the team to move on after 23.  IMO the only way they rework his deal after this season is if he agrees to future years at current money so that his % of the cap drops in years he is actually active for.  No more cap being spread into years not under contract IMO.

We can for a while. I would expect an extension to drop his cap number. I would also expect JJ's first year or two of his contract to have a manageable cap number. So they can coexist for a couple of years, as we presumably compete for a championship. 

But something will have to give 2 or 3 years down the road. Hopefully there's a championship in there somewhere. Other places to look would be Harry, Cook, Thielen...

@"Tyr" said: I am totally down with drafting a QB. I am not sure who would be available in the late 1st, but if there is a good prospect who fits the offense, then it would be great to get out of Cousins' contract.

plenty of success found after the top of the draft.

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"AGRforever" said:

@"StickyBun" said: ...isn't it time to draft a QB? Let's take advantage of a full year for sure of sitting and learning next season for a rookie. Some kid that is more mobile, bigger arm and more about the modern NFL. I really do like Cousins and that dude can be so accurate. I don't want this to be a bash KC thread, but he's got a few issues. JMO that this upcoming Draft is the right time to nab somebody. 

Thought the same thing last night.  You almost have to have a mobile QB in today's NFL.  I don't know if we should start the QB search in next years draft or not?  It's not like the Vikings should discount they have the 2nd best record in the NFL with what they have, so obviously something is working. 

We dont have a bunch of picks next year either...

We're going to be drafting in the mid or high 20's. Maybe someone falls precipitously?

Lots of needs on this team, on the D all over and in both trenches. But yah, they need a QBOTF and most likely a very mobile/athletic one. They were discussing this very thing on the Pack/Eagles game. 

Philly got a nice bargain getting Hurts in the 2nd rd. He keeps a mobile QB with a good arm tradition going in Philly:

Cunningham
Vick
McNabb
Hurts

I loved Hurts in that draft and he was a guy I was hoping would drop to us but Philly nabbed him early in the 2nd.  He's been better than I imagined.

As far as Kirk, I've done a 180.  I think with the skill guys we have, the OL, and how he's come up clutch this season...  I'd hate to start over.  Especially with JJs contract looming...  Gotta keep these guys happy and Kirk has been making his money this season.  And making JJ a bunch of money.

One thing though, I have a feeling O'Connel and Kwesi will be aggressive on a young QB if the right one is there.  They've both come from organizations that haven't been shy about trading picks to get guys they want.  If there is someone in this coming draft they love, I wouldnt be shocked to see us trade future picks/players to go get a guy.

But we can worry about that after this season.  Having too much fun watching this squad play. 

With QB being by far the most important position on the field, I am always a fan of drafting a QB unless you have a young elite QB like Mahomes, Allen or Herbert.  I was hoping the new regime would get a new QB, but I think Cousins has done a great job this year, in my opinion maybe not his best statistical year since he has been here, but his best year by far, because he is getting it done when we need it, so glad he is back.  He will be 35 next year, so it is a really tough call, if we extend him, I think we can be more lax and see if someone falls, but if not, we definitely need to be aggressive in what seems to be a rich QB draft.  

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: I think it's just about who's available when we draft. I'm not opposed to drafting a QB, but I think we should probably extend Cousins again, let him grow in this new offense for a couple years. I think that gives us our best chance for a championship. Ideally, we have the right young QB developing in the pipeline over that time. 

can the team afford to keep extending cousins?  we are currently carrying cap hits into 2 future years to make his ballooning salary work without having to take to many hits at other positions.  With JJ and TJ both needing new deals,  and the team already over the projected cap for 23,  how much more can the team afford to kick down the road before they have to start letting quality younger players walk?  yes we will likely get some relief from Harry, AT, Kendricks, and a few others,  but there are already other needs to fill with cap space to keep this team competitive.  If KC wants to keep playing for the Vikings IMO he needs to play for a more team friendly deal,  or its time for the team to move on after 23.  IMO the only way they rework his deal after this season is if he agrees to future years at current money so that his % of the cap drops in years he is actually active for.  No more cap being spread into years not under contract IMO.

We can for a while. I would expect an extension to drop his cap number. I would also expect JJ's first year or two of his contract to have a manageable cap number. So they can coexist for a couple of years, as we presumably compete for a championship. 

But something will have to give 2 or 3 years down the road. Hopefully there's a championship in there somewhere. Other places to look would be Harry, Cook, Thielen...

the only way we can afford him,  and his cap # be lower, ( and the means without long term cap implications by moving his guaranteed money into future non playing years)  is if he is willing to play for less,  which to date hasnt really happened.  they've done cap gymnastics to make it look good for a season here or there,  but his % of available cap (per season played)  has stayed at or near the top of the market since he came to MN.

We are having a good season,  but I dont consider this roster "championship caliber"  I think the ass kickings we have received by the iggles and the cowboys tend to out shine the record and OT win over the bills.   lots and lots of work to do on D, as well as the O,  and we are likely to create more holes or question marks this offseason by issuing those veteran ultimatums to the guys that we all list as places to find more caps space by re-working existing deals.  IMO Kirk himself is one that should be taking a pay cut to stay with the team, if he refuses then you know right there that you need a different QB for the future so why continue down a road you've been on with only marginal success?  rip that bandaid off,  and be ready to move on after 23.