Scoggins: Vikings' Spielman is low on chips in high-stakes roster game

@"TBro" said: Despite the concerns several of us have regarding our defense, it's good enough to win games. If we can't figure out how to start scoring points with the other elite teams in the NFC it won't matter. After the bye week, we averaged 18.9 points per game for the rest of the season which only produced 3 wins. If you throw out the 38 points we scored against the Bears in the last game of the year that was completely meaningless, that average drops down to 17 points per game. That isn't enough to win in this league even with an elite defense. I've seen nothing out of Shurmur that would indicate those scoring averages are going to change. Even Zimmer spoke out about it this preseason that he is frustrated with our lack of scoring. He knows his butt is on the line and his pathetic offense with Shurmur at the helm is just as bad or worse than Turner's. 

@"Bolstad79" said:

@"jargomcfargo" said: Despite all their rhetoric about winning is everything, NFL teams don't need to win to make boatloads of money. Franchises like the Browns, Rams, and several others slip into perpetual mediocrity  and their owners continue to thrive. The Vikings are beginning to fall into that category it seems. The Wilf's have made a lot of money. I think they are happy. Sure they would love to win it all, but if they don't, life is good.

These  guys are all ready loaded, and make most their money outside the NFL, if you don't think they want to win your mistaken.

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"TBro" said: Despite the concerns several of us have regarding our defense, it's good enough to win games. If we can't figure out how to start scoring points with the other elite teams in the NFC it won't matter. After the bye week, we averaged 18.9 points per game for the rest of the season which only produced 3 wins. If you throw out the 38 points we scored against the Bears in the last game of the year that was completely meaningless, that average drops down to 17 points per game. That isn't enough to win in this league even with an elite defense. I've seen nothing out of Shurmur that would indicate those scoring averages are going to change. Even Zimmer spoke out about it this preseason that he is frustrated with our lack of scoring. He knows his butt is on the line and his pathetic offense with Shurmur at the helm is just as bad or worse than Turner's. 

I think before we start to bag on Shurmur' s offense, he should be allowed a couple games running his offense and not Turner' s...

@"Bolstad79" said:

@"jargomcfargo" said: Despite all their rhetoric about winning is everything, NFL teams don't need to win to make boatloads of money. Franchises like the Browns, Rams, and several others slip into perpetual mediocrity  and their owners continue to thrive. The Vikings are beginning to fall into that category it seems. The Wilf's have made a lot of money. I think they are happy. Sure they would love to win it all, but if they don't, life is good.

These  guys are all ready loaded, and make most their money outside the NFL, if you don't think they want to win your mistaken.

@"jargomcfargo" said:

@"Bolstad79" said:

@"jargomcfargo" said: Despite all their rhetoric about winning is everything, NFL teams don't need to win to make boatloads of money. Franchises like the Browns, Rams, and several others slip into perpetual mediocrity  and their owners continue to thrive. The Vikings are beginning to fall into that category it seems. The Wilf's have made a lot of money. I think they are happy. Sure they would love to win it all, but if they don't, life is good.

These  guys are all ready loaded, and make most their money outside the NFL, if you don't think they want to win your mistaken.

I didn't say they don't want to win; I'm sure they would. I'm saying they don't need to win to be successful. The Wilfs and other owners may have been wealthy prior to owning NFL franchises but their net worth significantly increased since; at least that's the case with the Wilfs. I would venture to guess the fans are far more distraught than ownership when they have a bad season. I agree ownership wants to win. I'm not sure it matters that much if they don't.

Yeah, I think you are probably right. They want to win.

@"twgerber" said:

@"njvike" said:

@"comet52" said:

@"njvike" said: My question is : Why WOULDN'T Ricky FINALLY be on the hot seat?

This is his 12th season in Winter Park. He has ALWAYS been in charge of both College and Professional Scouting departments, and with the title of VICE PRESIDENT OF PLAYER PERSONNEL, I'm guessing he had some input into MOST, if not all, personnel decisions. Call me crazy for coming to that wacky conclusion.

1 playoff win since 2006 is just unacceptable, especially when I keep hearing about what a "winning" organization the Vikings are!! LMAO! They've been the epitome of mediocre this century!

I see that fans defend Saint Richard by focusing on individual draft picks or trades, but ALWAYS overlook the most important statistic.....WINNING. 

The vast majority of successful teams have one thing in common : The TEAM exceeds the sum of it's parts. It doesn't matter how many Pro Bowlers you draft or how young/old the roster is. If you don't WIN, it means Jack Schitt. 

Hopefully the Wilf's are seeing through his bullshit and will start focusing on his incredible lack of success. No more excuses this year. A deep playoff run or Ricky Gotta Go!!!!

11 years, ONE playoff win. That sucks, end of story.

Putting aside the monotony of your endless one note piano posts about RS, who do you think hired him in the first place and have kept him around for 12 years?   This notion that the Wilfs are football guys and they just need to "see through Rick's b.s." is LAUGHABLE.   They are the idiots who hired Foley, hired Childress without so much as interviewing another candidate, and then did the same with Les Frazier, and only after 7 years of futility (not including one year of rent-a-Favre which was essentially effed up by their hand picked coach Chili) did they decide to ditch the triangle of stupidity and actually put RS in charge of football operations.  

Whether you like him as some do, or have some obsessive hatred of him as you do, doesn't really matter, because if your wish that he be gone comes true after this season, you'd better hope that idiot Zygmunt somehow has learned after 12 years of ownership to hire someone better.   I don't see it.  Be careful what you wish for, you might someone a whole lot worse.   And if one playoff win in 12 years is the most important criteria, then why have the brilliant Wilfs you are so confident in sat on their hands for 12 years putting up with that?   Maybe the truth is they are mediocre owners and you'll just be crying about the next g.m. they hire after he's failed to make improvements over time.  

Lol! Piss off you little weenie.

Once again you Ricky fluffers side step his LOSING record.

Spin it any way you want, Schpielman is a documented LOSER. As the Wilf's idol, Bill Parcells, says, " You are what your record says you are"

And in Dicky's case, the record proves he's a loser.

But you Rychophants keep desperately trying to defend him! It's actually become comical....please keep it up, because YOUR one note "Ode to Saint Richard" should be coming to an end following a patented Schpielman Special, aka a .500 season with ZERO playoff wins.

Nighty Nite, Slappy. 

I believe Rick's record as GM is

41-38-1 once he got full control

And since Zimmer it's

26-22.

That's all you can really state.   Anything before 2012 is not solely on Rick.

@"njvike" said:

@"twgerber" said:

@"njvike" said:

@"comet52" said:

@"njvike" said: My question is : Why WOULDN'T Ricky FINALLY be on the hot seat?

This is his 12th season in Winter Park. He has ALWAYS been in charge of both College and Professional Scouting departments, and with the title of VICE PRESIDENT OF PLAYER PERSONNEL, I'm guessing he had some input into MOST, if not all, personnel decisions. Call me crazy for coming to that wacky conclusion.

1 playoff win since 2006 is just unacceptable, especially when I keep hearing about what a "winning" organization the Vikings are!! LMAO! They've been the epitome of mediocre this century!

I see that fans defend Saint Richard by focusing on individual draft picks or trades, but ALWAYS overlook the most important statistic.....WINNING. 

The vast majority of successful teams have one thing in common : The TEAM exceeds the sum of it's parts. It doesn't matter how many Pro Bowlers you draft or how young/old the roster is. If you don't WIN, it means Jack Schitt. 

Hopefully the Wilf's are seeing through his bullshit and will start focusing on his incredible lack of success. No more excuses this year. A deep playoff run or Ricky Gotta Go!!!!

11 years, ONE playoff win. That sucks, end of story.

Putting aside the monotony of your endless one note piano posts about RS, who do you think hired him in the first place and have kept him around for 12 years?   This notion that the Wilfs are football guys and they just need to "see through Rick's b.s." is LAUGHABLE.   They are the idiots who hired Foley, hired Childress without so much as interviewing another candidate, and then did the same with Les Frazier, and only after 7 years of futility (not including one year of rent-a-Favre which was essentially effed up by their hand picked coach Chili) did they decide to ditch the triangle of stupidity and actually put RS in charge of football operations.  

Whether you like him as some do, or have some obsessive hatred of him as you do, doesn't really matter, because if your wish that he be gone comes true after this season, you'd better hope that idiot Zygmunt somehow has learned after 12 years of ownership to hire someone better.   I don't see it.  Be careful what you wish for, you might someone a whole lot worse.   And if one playoff win in 12 years is the most important criteria, then why have the brilliant Wilfs you are so confident in sat on their hands for 12 years putting up with that?   Maybe the truth is they are mediocre owners and you'll just be crying about the next g.m. they hire after he's failed to make improvements over time.  

Lol! Piss off you little weenie.

Once again you Ricky fluffers side step his LOSING record.

Spin it any way you want, Schpielman is a documented LOSER. As the Wilf's idol, Bill Parcells, says, " You are what your record says you are"

And in Dicky's case, the record proves he's a loser.

But you Rychophants keep desperately trying to defend him! It's actually become comical....please keep it up, because YOUR one note "Ode to Saint Richard" should be coming to an end following a patented Schpielman Special, aka a .500 season with ZERO playoff wins.

Nighty Nite, Slappy. 

I believe Rick's record as GM is

41-38-1 once he got full control

And since Zimmer it's

26-22.

That's all you can really state.   Anything before 2012 is not solely on Rick.

You are wrong. Ricky's record with the Vikings is 86-89-1. His Miami record (just as GM) was 4-12. 

Total?  90-101-1.

THAT IS FACT.  

Once again, this fallacy that Poor L'il Rcky was "bully-ed" by Chilly and Frazier when he had the low-level title of VICE PRESIDENT OF PLAYER PERSONNEL is COMPLETE horse shit. 

The fact is, Dicky is equally responsible for the Vikings record prior to his beatification as Saint Richard "The Unaccontable".

The proof? How about draft picks like Barr, Waynes, Alexander, Hunter being referred to as "Zimmer" picks?!!! WTF?! How can a HC be CREDITED with a draft pick on the Minnesota Vikings when Dicky Schpielman has been annointed GM?

If Zimmer has "picks" in the draft, why is it SOOOOOOO different from when Chilly and Less were HC and "supposedly" had COMPLETE control of the draft?

I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with people that refuse to accept facts. Anyone who truly believes Rick Spielman is a great GM. ...God Bless. I would also like to offer you some great ocean view properties in Nebraska. Please give me a call! 1-800-Ima-rube

@"StickyBun" said: Scroggins/Zulgad = super curmudgeons 

That's charitable I probably would have used a different descriptor.

@"njvike" said:

You are wrong. Ricky's record with the Vikings is 86-89-1. His Miami record (just as GM) was 4-12. 

Total?  90-101-1.

THAT IS FACT.  

Once again, this fallacy that Poor L'il Rcky was "bully-ed" by Chilly and Frazier when he had the low-level title of VICE PRESIDENT OF PLAYER PERSONNEL is COMPLETE horse shit. 

The fact is, Dicky is equally responsible for the Vikings record prior to his beatification as Saint Richard "The Unaccontable".

The proof? How about draft picks like Barr, Waynes, Alexander, Hunter being referred to as "Zimmer" picks?!!! WTF?! How can a HC be CREDITED with a draft pick on the Minnesota Vikings when Dicky Schpielman has been annointed GM?

If Zimmer has "picks" in the draft, why is it SOOOOOOO different from when Chilly and Less were HC and "supposedly" had COMPLETE control of the draft?

I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with people that refuse to accept facts. Anyone who truly believes Rick Spielman is a great GM. ...God Bless. I would also like to offer you some great ocean view properties in Nebraska. Please give me a call! 1-800-Ima-rube