Bridgewater returning?

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Jor-El" said:

@"StickyBun" said: Heinicke's lack of arm strength is alarming and it limits him big time. I don't see the love for the guy. All this gushing over a guy that was playing against absolute scrubs on that last drive.

No kidding...isn't there a current thread about former Vikings that were envisioned as rising stars here but have been waived early by other teams (Charles Johnson, Audie Cole)...? 

For the strong Heinicke supporters: isn't even the most optimistic ceiling for his potential that he might turn into a decent backup QB, someone who could play a game or two if needed, like Shaun Hill or Case Keenum?? Or is there actually some belief that a couple years from now, Taylor Heinicke could be a starting NFL QB with the ability to lead a team to the playoffs and beyond?

affordable back up with upside.  i dont want a watered down pocket passer as a back up,  i want a guy that may not have the prototypical physical traits of a starter,  but has something to their game that will allow them to be competitive and maybe have a bit of an edge as a relative unknown coming into relief situations or a spot start.

we need a young developing guy to cheaply back up who ever wins out the starting battle.  both keenum and heineke are FA after this year,  but I think Heineke has a better game as a back up and will likely come at a lower price tag which will be key for a team thinking about franchise tagging 1 QB, and paying the other over 2 million,  it wouldnt make sense to pay another backup 2 million per year or more.

Someone posted here yesterday that Heinicke isn't eligible for the practice squad. So is he or isn't he?

@"prairieghost" said: Someone posted here yesterday that Heinicke isn't eligible for the practice squad. So is he or isn't he?

@"KyVikesFan11" said: Im not sure where the sources were getting their information, but whatever they thought they had didn't pan out.  Have a hard time thinking Teddy would be cleared to return to practice over a week ago, and still hasn't returned.  Maybe there is more going on behind the scenes that we know, with his contract and all or maybe the speculation was purely false info?  Either way, its starting to look like Teddy will head to the PUP to start the season.  Best case scenario for the team anyway, IMO.  Keep him under contract thru next season. 

@"Jor-El" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Jor-El" said:

@"StickyBun" said: Heinicke's lack of arm strength is alarming and it limits him big time. I don't see the love for the guy. All this gushing over a guy that was playing against absolute scrubs on that last drive.

No kidding...isn't there a current thread about former Vikings that were envisioned as rising stars here but have been waived early by other teams (Charles Johnson, Audie Cole)...? 

For the strong Heinicke supporters: isn't even the most optimistic ceiling for his potential that he might turn into a decent backup QB, someone who could play a game or two if needed, like Shaun Hill or Case Keenum?? Or is there actually some belief that a couple years from now, Taylor Heinicke could be a starting NFL QB with the ability to lead a team to the playoffs and beyond?

affordable back up with upside.  i dont want a watered down pocket passer as a back up,  i want a guy that may not have the prototypical physical traits of a starter,  but has something to their game that will allow them to be competitive and maybe have a bit of an edge as a relative unknown coming into relief situations or a spot start.

we need a young developing guy to cheaply back up who ever wins out the starting battle.  both keenum and heineke are FA after this year,  but I think Heineke has a better game as a back up and will likely come at a lower price tag which will be key for a team thinking about franchise tagging 1 QB, and paying the other over 2 million,  it wouldnt make sense to pay another backup 2 million per year or more.

I think that's a realistic hope - that Heinicke could become a competent backup. IMO either Bridgewater or Bradford will be gone a year from now, so we will need someone as a backup to whoever remains. 

Backup QBs like Keenum are relatively valuable, but only after they have proven they can handle coming in as a substitute for a few games - REAL GAMES. Heinicke has taken zero snaps in the NFL, so he is not going to be snatched away by other teams if we waive him to our PS.

It's all fun and games until that guy ends up filling in for Christian Ponder in a playoff game; then we immediately pull the plug and pretend it never happened.

@"StickyBun" said: Heinicke's lack of arm strength is alarming and it limits him big time. I don't see the love for the guy. All this gushing over a guy that was playing against absolute scrubs on that last drive.

But the praise for Heinicke is not as much about what he's done this year, it's more about how he looked two years ago. Most impressed I've been with a rookie QB since Brad Johnson. Some don't see it I guess, but he's got something. And clearly I'm not alone in thinking that. Vikings gave a valuable roster spot to him rather than put him on the practice squad, exposing him to the wire. That says a lot about an undrafted kid from OD. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"StickyBun" said: Heinicke's lack of arm strength is alarming and it limits him big time. I don't see the love for the guy. All this gushing over a guy that was playing against absolute scrubs on that last drive.

And playing WITH absolute scrubs as well. Everyone always forgets that part. It all evens out. 

But the praise for Heinicke is not as much about what he's done this year, it's more about how he looked two years ago. Most impressed I've been with a rookie QB since Brad Johnson. Some don't see it I guess, but he's got something. And clearly I'm not alone in thinking that. Vikings gave a valuable roster spot to him rather than put him on the practice squad, exposing him to the wire. That says a lot about an undrafted kid from OD. 

@"BlackMagic7" said: It's all fun and games until that guy ends up filling in for Christian Ponder in a playoff game; then we immediately pull the plug and pretend it never happened.

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"StickyBun" said: Heinicke's lack of arm strength is alarming and it limits him big time. I don't see the love for the guy. All this gushing over a guy that was playing against absolute scrubs on that last drive.

And playing WITH absolute scrubs as well. Everyone always forgets that part. It all evens out. 

But the praise for Heinicke is not as much about what he's done this year, it's more about how he looked two years ago. Most impressed I've been with a rookie QB since Brad Johnson. Some don't see it I guess, but he's got something. And clearly I'm not alone in thinking that. Vikings gave a valuable roster spot to him rather than put him on the practice squad, exposing him to the wire. That says a lot about an undrafted kid from OD. 

Preseason games make for QB 'stars', happens every season. 'Stars' that get cut or win #3 jobs. I'd MUCH rather have Keenum backing up Bradford. Its not even close, IMO. And if Heinicke can't win the backup job, why keep him? Find another project because his time will have passed with Minnesota if he isn't the #2 to start the season. Maybe he will be? 

Minnesota is going to have to give serious consideration to keeping just 2 QBs (Bridgewater on PUP) to keep another guy on that super deep D-line talent. 

Give up on Heinicke?  Seems a bit early in his career to say his time has passed.  But I won't likely lose any sleep over our 3rd string QB.  Not at this part of the season anyway.

Maybe my memory is fading, has anyone ever seen Heinicke play against a starting defense?  I really am surprised by some of the hype surrounding this guy.

I agree with that Jimmy; but i think Webb had the "it factor" as well. Very much so; there was a lot of nuances to his passing game that made us do a double take.

He had wheels, but a lot of us liked his arm and his makeup as a passer.

... the point I was aiming for was just that the wheels can fall off the developmental wagon fast. Not steering this to a Webb conversation, just pointing out that we kind of played out the "developmental to starter" situation and it potentially bit us in the ass. We have 2 starting calibur QB already and a playoff calibur squad. And its not like Keenum has a bad track record - hes an overacheiver. He never was supposed to start in this league, he got out there and "proved it" I guess... 

... lol Im not trying to make a scene; i like Heineke and would love to see him succeed - he has a lot of folks rooting for him. I just dont think its that big of a deal at the end of the day; I like Keenum's experience if shit goes south. If we keep Heieneke, it'll be exciting if he needs to make a start.

@"BlackMagic7" said: I agree with that Jimmy; but i think Webb had the "it factor" as well. Very much so; there was a lot of nuances to his passing game that made us do a double take.

He had wheels, but a lot of us liked his arm and his makeup as a passer.

... the point I was aiming for was just that the wheels can fall off the developmental wagon fast. Not steering this to a Webb conversation, just pointing out that we kind of played out the "developmental to starter" situation and it potentially bit us in the ass. We have 2 starting calibur QB already and a playoff calibur squad. And its not like Keenum has a bad track record - hes an overacheiver. He never was supposed to start in this league, he got out there and "proved it" I guess... 

... lol Im not trying to make a scene; i like Heineke and would love to see him succeed - he has a lot of folks rooting for him. I just dont think its that big of a deal at the end of the day; I like Keenum's experience if shit goes south. If we keep Heieneke, it'll be exciting if he needs to make a start.

Spider had a big ass arm.... .just didnt know where the sucker was going to land.   :)

I'll be...source fails miserable yet again...go figure...

I believe there was a discrepancy and the fine line between being game ready and cleared to practice. If you aren't game ready and can protect yourself.. then you are unable to physically perform.
I feel Teddys camp probably pushed to be taken off PUP because he was going to be cleared to practice. I am going to guess they lost that fight.
Just my opinion that is.

@e"Canthony" said: I believe there was a discrepancy and the fine line between being game ready and cleared to practice. If you aren't game ready and can protect yourself.. then you are unable to physically perform. I feel Teddys camp probably pushed to be taken off PUP because he was going to be cleared to practice. I am going to guess they lost that fight. Just my opinion that is.

@"Purplewhizz" said:

@e"Canthony" said: I believe there was a discrepancy and the fine line between being game ready and cleared to practice. If you aren't game ready and can protect yourself.. then you are unable to physically perform. I feel Teddys camp probably pushed to be taken off PUP because he was going to be cleared to practice. I am going to guess they lost that fight. Just my opinion that is.

But he hasn't been cleared to practice as far as I know, has he?

@"Canthony" said: I believe there was a discrepancy and the fine line between being game ready and cleared to practice. If you aren't game ready and can protect yourself.. then you are unable to physically perform. I feel Teddys camp probably pushed to be taken off PUP because he was going to be cleared to practice. I am going to guess they lost that fight. Just my opinion that is.

@"Jor-El" said:

@"Canthony" said: I believe there was a discrepancy and the fine line between being game ready and cleared to practice. If you aren't game ready and can protect yourself.. then you are unable to physically perform. I feel Teddys camp probably pushed to be taken off PUP because he was going to be cleared to practice. I am going to guess they lost that fight. Just my opinion that is.

Are people still doubting that Bridgewater and Vikings management are at odds, or going to be, over the PUP/tolling idea, and it will likely get ugly? Good thing people are so pleased with his tweets about his faith..