Zim Mentioned Bringing In A KR
Raiders release Taiwan Jones
Posted by Josh Alper on July 27, 2017, 2:40 PM EDT
Getty ImagesThe Raiders won’t be bringing Taiwan Jones with them to training camp this year.
Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that the Raiders are releasing the six-year veteran ahead of their first camp practice this Saturday.
Jones was drafted by the Raiders as a running back in 2011, but they moved him to cornerback a couple of years later before reversing the switch when Jack Del Rio became the head coach ahead of the 2015 season. Regardless of his listed position, Jones saw the great majority of his playing time on special teams.
Jones both covered and returned kicks over his time with the Raiders and that would figure to be his path toward playing time if he finds another home for the 2017 season.
Hmm, wonder why the Raiders let him go? ... the NFL, gone in a Flash! ;)
Zimmer was asked to give an update on Adams' progress at camp so far.
"I don't know that he's going to be the kick returner," Zimmer said. "He did a good job when he was at South Florida, but we are going to continue to look at guys. We'll continue to look at guys that come available, too. That was one part of the game last year where we were able to (score) some points and get some yards, so that's going to be important for us.
@"Bolstad79" said: We will regret losing Patterson.not likely.
assuming that we can replace him with an "avg" kick returner, considering he only had an average of 2 returns per game, we will be giving up a whopping 12 yards per game of field position and .44 points per game.
Adams is a rookie and he's probably not securing the ball consistently. Tough to trust a rookie in that spot unless they are either: a) exceptional like Patterson or b) have unusual confidence coming in. Adams is also a slight build guy, might get his world rocked back there.
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"Bolstad79" said: We will regret losing Patterson. not likely.assuming that we can replace him with an "avg" kick returner, considering he only had an average of 2 returns per game, we will be giving up a whopping 12 yards per game of field position and .44 points per game.
Considering how razor thin the difference can be between winning and losing, I'd prefer having a difference maker available in the field position battle...
I don't think the Vikings will lock themselves into Adams until he shows something as a receiver. Right now it appears Coley is above him on the WR depth chart and you just can't keep both unless you're going to open up another spot elsewhere which would likely need to be Sherels.
@"BarrNone55" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"Bolstad79" said: We will regret losing Patterson. not likely.assuming that we can replace him with an "avg" kick returner, considering he only had an average of 2 returns per game, we will be giving up a whopping 12 yards per game of field position and .44 points per game.
Considering how razor thin the difference can be between winning and losing, I'd prefer having a difference maker available in the field position battle...
In a perfect cap free world yes.
I am really only concerned about two things when it comes to kick returners.
A. Hold onto the ball.
2. Run forward, not sideways.
A difference-maker is nice to have, but I just don't need any extra "excitement" anymore.
@"BarrNone55" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"Bolstad79" said: We will regret losing Patterson. not likely.assuming that we can replace him with an "avg" kick returner, considering he only had an average of 2 returns per game, we will be giving up a whopping 12 yards per game of field position and .44 points per game.
Considering how razor thin the difference can be between winning and losing, I'd prefer having a difference maker available in the field position battle...
You have to have momentum changers on your team, Patterson was absolutely a game changer. He would strike fear into opposing teams.He was bigger than the numbers Jimmy posted.
@"Bolstad79" said:@"BarrNone55" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"Bolstad79" said: We will regret losing Patterson. not likely.assuming that we can replace him with an "avg" kick returner, considering he only had an average of 2 returns per game, we will be giving up a whopping 12 yards per game of field position and .44 points per game.
Considering how razor thin the difference can be between winning and losing, I'd prefer having a difference maker available in the field position battle...
You have to have momentum changers on your team, Patterson was absolutely a game changer. He would strike fear into opposing teams.He was bigger than the numbers Jimmy posted.
Not being a smart ass here, but you really think he was bigger than those numbers?I live in Bears country and when they had Hester he struck fear into me, i think he had the potential to go the distance every time he returned a kick.
However, living amongst Bears fans, a lot of them thought he was a wasted roster position, specially when they overpaid for him when it came contract time.
So, i think its more about personal belief not necessarily that opponents thought he was such a huge threat.He really only returned Kick offs.
@"Bolstad79" said:@"BarrNone55" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"Bolstad79" said: We will regret losing Patterson. not likely.assuming that we can replace him with an "avg" kick returner, considering he only had an average of 2 returns per game, we will be giving up a whopping 12 yards per game of field position and .44 points per game.
Considering how razor thin the difference can be between winning and losing, I'd prefer having a difference maker available in the field position battle...
You have to have momentum changers on your team, Patterson was absolutely a game changer. He would strike fear into opposing teams.He was bigger than the numbers Jimmy posted.
When in a drought....everybody prays for rain...when it's raining nobody remembers the drought. CP had some monster returns, but he also had plenty of WTFs.
@"JimkiwimyinSD" said:@"Bolstad79" said:@"BarrNone55" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"Bolstad79" said: We will regret losing Patterson. not likely.assuming that we can replace him with an "avg" kick returner, considering he only had an average of 2 returns per game, we will be giving up a whopping 12 yards per game of field position and .44 points per game.
Considering how razor thin the difference can be between winning and losing, I'd prefer having a difference maker available in the field position battle...
You have to have momentum changers on your team, Patterson was absolutely a game changer. He would strike fear into opposing teams.He was bigger than the numbers Jimmy posted.
When in a drought....everybody prays for rain...when it's raining nobody remembers the drought. CP had some monster returns, but he also had plenty of WTFs.
Every time a team kicked to him, they were thinking about rain.
@"Riphawkins" said:@"Bolstad79" said:@"BarrNone55" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"Bolstad79" said: We will regret losing Patterson. not likely.assuming that we can replace him with an "avg" kick returner, considering he only had an average of 2 returns per game, we will be giving up a whopping 12 yards per game of field position and .44 points per game.
Considering how razor thin the difference can be between winning and losing, I'd prefer having a difference maker available in the field position battle...
You have to have momentum changers on your team, Patterson was absolutely a game changer. He would strike fear into opposing teams.He was bigger than the numbers Jimmy posted.
Not being a smart ass here, but you really think he was bigger than those numbers?I live in Bears country and when they had Hester he struck fear into me, i think he had the potential to go the distance every time he returned a kick.
However, living amongst Bears fans, a lot of them thought he was a wasted roster position, specially when they overpaid for him when it came contract time.
So, i think its more about personal belief not necessarily that opponents thought he was such a huge threat.He really only returned Kick offs.
I don't know, I guess we will find out.I think he will be a major asset to the Raiders.
Our lack of offense is what made Patterson an asset, gave "us" hope. There were not a lot of game changes last year when it came to us scoring points, he was like a lottery ticket, cheap dreams, one play wonder. His TDs were like a .250 slugger hitting 30 Hr's on a loosing team, made you cheer, while sitting in 3rd for a wild card.
What I'm reading is that Coley is outperforming Adams right now for rookie WRs in camp.
http://m.vikings.com/news/article-1/Priefer-Expects-Dynamic-Kickoff-Returns-to-Continue/78ead69c-4e94-4039-aa5b-12d1ae83df31
The Vikings have ranked third or better in average starting field position after kickoffs in each season under Priefer:
2011: 24.5 (third)
2012: 24.6 (second)
2013: 27.2 (first)
2014: 25.1 (second)
2015: 25.0 (first)
2016: 26.9 (second)
@"BarrNone55" said: http://m.vikings.com/news/article-1/Priefer-Expects-Dynamic-Kickoff-Returns-to-Continue/78ead69c-4e94-4039-aa5b-12d1ae83df31The Vikings have ranked third or better in average starting field position after kickoffs in each season under Priefer:
2011: 24.5 (third)
2012: 24.6 (second)
2013: 27.2 (first)
2014: 25.1 (second)
2015: 25.0 (first)2016: 26.9 (second)
So while Patterson is a beast on KR the real weapon may be the unit itself.
@"StickyBun" said: What I'm reading is that Coley is outperforming Adams right now for rookie WRs in camp.I was afraid Coley was a wasted pick because the reports on him from Miami all said he tended to coast on his talent. But he is very talented, and some college underachievers get pretty shocked when they slide really far on draft day. If Coley is playing like he has something to prove, he can beat out Adams.
WR is really a scramble after Thielen and Diggs. Treadwell will make the team, but for the next 3 spots (while Floyd is out), does anyone yet have an idea how the order will play out? A lot depends on whether Jarius Wright is out of the doghouse.
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