Stick & Pick?

I think depending on how the board goes the first 10 picks or so, that Minnesota might trade down in round 2.

Honestly, I don't know wth they are doing/thinking. Banks could turn out to be all world, my question is more about, why at 18? There was only one other DL taken in the first round and that was Peter Woods. Philly traded up with Dallas of all teams 2 picks afterwards. One would assume that very same trade would of been on the table for the Vikings? I mean you move back to 23 and still get the guy? After that it seemed like everyone and their mom was trading back and forth. Couldn't they have gotten more value and still have drafted Banks? All indications point to yes.

I am starting to wonder, was Kwesi really the issue with the draft?

I would have been surprised if they would have traded. I am glad they stuck where they were and didnt try to get cute. Make a pick on what should be an impactful player year one. That was the top priority. Mission accomplished.

3 picks today and possibly 4 if the Greenard rumors are true, I think the talent is round 2 is equivalent to much of what was in back end of round 1. After last night though, do not have much confidence in who is making the picks for today. Actually we already picked our 2nd rounder 😀

Vikesrock wrote:

Honestly, I don't know wth they are doing/thinking. Banks could turn out to be all world, my question is more about, why at 18? There was only one other DL taken in the first round and that was Peter Woods. Philly traded up with Dallas of all teams 2 picks afterwards. One would assume that very same trade would of been on the table for the Vikings? I mean you move back to 23 and still get the guy? After that it seemed like everyone and their mom was trading back and forth. Couldn't they have gotten more value and still have drafted Banks? All indications point to yes.
I am starting to wonder, was Kwesi really the issue with the draft?

I think Kwesi was insistent that JJM play last year and that was an issue.

I would've preferred a trade down into Banks, provided we knew for certain that NFL opinion mirrored that of media consensus opinion. But we obviously don't. I'd be curious to know if the Vikings tried to trade down and just couldn't find a partner, or a deal that worked. Breeze's first time helming the draft room, he may not yet have the established relationships with other GMs.

Banks is classic boom or bust. He's not going to be an average player. He's either going to be a star or he's going to be out of the NFL in 5 years. I'm surprised the Vikings were as risk tolerant as they were in the 1st round, but there's plenty to be excited about with Banks.

Whether we stick and pick or trade up or down just depends on how the players fall. I don't think we'll trade 49 down, but I have a hunch we may try to trade 82 down. We need to find a way to pick up that missing 4th rounder. That is a LONG stretch between 97 and 163.

Vikesrock wrote:

Honestly, I don't know wth they are doing/thinking. Banks could turn out to be all world, my question is more about, why at 18? There was only one other DL taken in the first round and that was Peter Woods. Philly traded up with Dallas of all teams 2 picks afterwards. One would assume that very same trade would of been on the table for the Vikings? I mean you move back to 23 and still get the guy? After that it seemed like everyone and their mom was trading back and forth. Couldn't they have gotten more value and still have drafted Banks? All indications point to yes.
I am starting to wonder, was Kwesi really the issue with the draft?

I think it’s possible that we could have traded back to get more picks.  I also think there was a lot more scarcity in the DT market than people gave it credit for.  Nobody really values NT super high, and the Vikings more than other teams, but there was a severe shortage if you wanted a DT with pass rush potential at the top of the draft.  I think a lot of how it shook out comes from how much they felt Woods could also be that guy.  If your list is just Banks, then you probably have to take him, unless you are certain.  If your list is Banks and Woods, then you have more freedom to trade back.

JustInTime wrote:

https://twitter.com/vikingzfanpage/status/2047670058642493477

I wouldn't be surprised if this is in reference to Greenard.

Rumors going around are that the Eagles and Vikings have reached a trade deal regarding Greenard, but are waiting until day 2 of the draft to announce it. Now if this is true or not we'll have to wait to this evening. IMO, I hope they pull the trigger on this one.

FourCornersViking wrote:

Rumors going around are that the Eagles and Vikings have reached a trade deal regarding Greenard, but are waiting until day 2 of the draft to announce it. Now if this true or not we'll have to wait to this evening. IMO, I hope they pull the trigger on this one.

The offer is a 2nd rounder and possibly a sweetener. I think effectively this is a done deal, but just making sure the players who are coveted are still available at the the draft picks.

I would feel better him NOT going to Philly, or even better going to the AFC

I posted this yesterday, Philly has the 54th pick - too low for me to trade Greenard. Especially to an NFC rival.

NFW

MaroonBells wrote:

I would've preferred a trade down into Banks, provided we knew for certain that NFL opinion mirrored that of media consensus opinion. But we obviously don't. I'd be curious to know if the Vikings tried to trade down and just couldn't find a partner, or a deal that worked. Breeze's first time helming the draft room, he may not yet have the established relationships with other GMs.
Banks is classic boom or bust. He's not going to be an average player. He's either going to be a star or he's going to be out of the NFL in 5 years. I'm surprised the Vikings were as risk tolerant as they were in the 1st round, but there's plenty to be excited about with Banks.
Whether we stick and pick or trade up or down just depends on how the players fall. I don't think we'll trade 49 down, but I have a hunch we may try to trade 82 down. We need to find a way to pick up that missing 4th rounder. That is a LONG stretch between 97 and 163.

Unlike a lot of teams, the Vikings didnt turn that pick in right away when they were on the clock...Clearly they were on the phone taking calls.

They didnt get an offer they liked enough to come off 18 is all I can theorize.

Go figure...

purplefaithful wrote:

Unlike a lot of teams, the Vikings didnt turn that pick in right away when they were on the clock...Clearly they were on the phone taking calls.
They didnt get an offer they liked enough to come off 18 is all I can theorize.
Go figure...

When the prevailing wisdom says the draft talent is flat between, say, 15 and 50 it's really hard to trade down within that tier because it's foolish to trade up.

MaroonBells wrote:

When the prevailing wisdom says the draft talent is flat between, say, 15 and 50 it's really hard to trade down within that tier because it's foolish to trade up.

There will be teams that trade up for the first couple picks of round 2....I'd be surprised if that doesn't happen. Teams have some pretty strong BPAs that they'll be willing to lose the value game on to get. But after that?

If you want an abysmal hit rate, edge rushers on Day 2 is brutal. I’d rather find a $ figure both sides can agree to instead of trying to draft Greenie’s replacement. Ginks isn’t exactly an ironman.

JustInTime wrote:

If you want an abysmal hit rate, edge rushers on Day 2 is brutal. I’d rather find a $ figure both sides can agree to instead of trying to draft Greenie’s replacement. Ginks isn’t exactly an ironman.

Cashman is even worse...

It's tough with Greenard cause I like him as a player (a lot). We'll need Edge depth, but his replacement is on the roster with Turner.

Dallas has earned a starting spot and chance to solidify a 2nd contract one of these days.

purplefaithful wrote:

Cashman is even worse...
It's tough with Greenard cause I like him as a player (a lot). We'll need Edge depth, but his replacement is on the roster with Turner.
Dallas has earned a starting spot and chance to solidify a 2nd contract one of these days.

That’s very valid. Definitely want to maximize the snaps Dallas gets. He’ll flash at times with movement that is breathtaking. I just don’t want to take an offer for a really good player coming off a down year.