Are We Unserious?

The list of QB's here is unfathomable...It's so common in MN that I had forgotten what it's like as a fan to start a rook QB last season.

I posted elsewhere earlier this am that I hate the rent a qb play and would rather go down the longer-term path of a good young qb to grow with. I would have been fine with JJM and G.Smith or someone of that ilk in the QB room. That makes more sense to me than Murray at times.

I also understand how the Vikings may have been handed a BIG GIFT from the football gods. Darnold, Dimes and now Murray? I mean u cant make it up

Here is the flip side to me -- and that is we are about to re-live a 2009 scenario in 26 - hopefully with a happier ending.

Hey, it's possible? And yah, I know 2010 redux is possible too for all the negative eyores reaching for their keyboards.

Hoping for the best, we aint getting any younger...

It's the Wilfs, bottom line...it's the Wilfs. They have been the one constant over the last 21 years of ineptitude and it has to do with their unrealistic philosophies, running the organization like fans without having an understanding of how the league works, competitive rebuilds, triangles of authority, and the unrelenting waves of nonsense spearheading by Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb never ends. That may chide the hides of some...but it's the absolute truth.

supafreak84 wrote:
It's the Wilfs, bottom line...it's the Wilfs. They have been the one constant over the last 21 years of ineptitude and it has to do with their unrealistic philosophies, running the organization like fans without having an understanding of how the league works, competitive rebuilds, triangles of authority, and the unrelenting waves of nonsense spearheading by Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb never ends. That may chide the hides of some...but it's the absolute truth.

I contemplated a couple of times dropping my anger in here on this.  Supa is right, except, we were a shitshow prior to the Wilfs as well.  From Max Winters; yeah at least they made some Super Bowls, to Pohlad, Mike Lynn and the gang of ten, to McCombs and now Wilf.  Hell even the two failed sales in there to Tom Clancy and Reggie Fowler were a complete disaster.

I just can't put my finger on it.  Is there something in the water over there in Minneapolis?  Why do we KEEP doing the same damned thing?  These people have made billions of dollars, and they can't figure this out?  

Signing Murray has done one thing.  It has prevented the Vikings from winning a Super Bowl for at least 3 years.  We now stunt the growth of JJM, and worse yet, we have 1 year to make a decision on his 5th year.  So now wtf do we do?  We go in to next offseason with more QB horseshit.  Murray got the no tag provision in place, so even if somehow he was a Super Bowl worthy QB, you won't get to keep him.   Someone will pay him.  But more so, what if Murray plays so-so?  Now do you commit what will be probably 55 million to him?  Do you keep JJM on a 5th year?  You have essentially screwed yourself on picking one of the highly rated QB's out of the draft in 27.  And here we are sitting here wondering wtf happened...AGAIN. 

Yeah, I am angry, disappointed and distraught over this.  Honestly, at this point, I hope KOC rides Murray right out the door and goes with him at this point.  Kiss my ass Vikings, I have been a fan since the Miracle in the Met, it's going to be another hard year to stomach.

in case any of you Chuckleheads need a reminder of what we signed up for as fans of this team.....

supafreak84 wrote:
It's the Wilfs, bottom line...it's the Wilfs. They have been the one constant over the last 21 years of ineptitude and it has to do with their unrealistic philosophies, running the organization like fans without having an understanding of how the league works, competitive rebuilds, triangles of authority, and the unrelenting waves of nonsense spearheading by Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb never ends. That may chide the hides of some...but it's the absolute truth.

They are the most well-intentioned owners in the league. Their problem is they need someone on site (a strong someone) to GM this team.  They are more than willing to resource the team but they're clueless as to what's happening day to day.  Judd is annoying, but he's right on the spot with that analysis.

Vikesrock wrote:

I contemplated a couple of times dropping my anger in here on this.  Supa is right, except, we were a shitshow prior to the Wilfs as well.  From Max Winters; yeah at least they made some Super Bowls, to Pohlad, Mike Lynn and the gang of ten, to McCombs and now Wilf.  Hell even the two failed sales in there to Tom Clancy and Reggie Fowler were a complete disaster.

Pohlad???

Things went off the rails later in his tenure, but the golden years were under Winter...

I still relish the 60/70's when this team was winning with Grant/Finks, a perennial division winner, winning BIG NFCCG's and getting to super-bowls. 

Y'all know the curse Hunt/AFC put on the Vikings back in 60/61 right? ;)

Vikesrock wrote:

I contemplated a couple of times dropping my anger in here on this.  Supa is right, except, we were a shitshow prior to the Wilfs as well.  From Max Winters; yeah at least they made some Super Bowls, to Pohlad, Mike Lynn and the gang of ten, to McCombs and now Wilf.  Hell even the two failed sales in there to Tom Clancy and Reggie Fowler were a complete disaster.

I just can't put my finger on it.  Is there something in the water over there in Minneapolis?  Why do we KEEP doing the same damned thing?  These people have made billions of dollars, and they can't figure this out?  

Signing Murray has done one thing.  It has prevented the Vikings from winning a Super Bowl for at least 3 years.  We now stunt the growth of JJM, and worse yet, we have 1 year to make a decision on his 5th year.  So now wtf do we do?  We go in to next offseason with more QB horseshit.  Murray got the no tag provision in place, so even if somehow he was a Super Bowl worthy QB, you won't get to keep him.   Someone will pay him.  But more so, what if Murray plays so-so?  Now do you commit what will be probably 55 million to him?  Do you keep JJM on a 5th year?  You have essentially screwed yourself on picking one of the highly rated QB's out of the draft in 27.  And here we are sitting here wondering wtf happened...AGAIN. 

Yeah, I am angry, disappointed and distraught over this.  Honestly, at this point, I hope KOC rides Murray right out the door and goes with him at this point.  Kiss my ass Vikings, I have been a fan since the Miracle in the Met, it's going to be another hard year to stomach.

Mediocrity is the Wilf way. They'd rather do everything in their power to stay mediocre then eat a shitburger season or two while the team resets to make another run. Sometimes that's just what you have to do and it's why we have been one of the better regular season teams, but are also one of the worst when it comes to postseason success. I'm tired of the carousel at quarterback and would rather eat a bad season as a potential consequence of finding out if McCarthy can be our long term starter, but oh no, if this franchise can find a way to screw things up, they will. I'm right there with you though in my frustrations with this organization and how it's been run. I'd be more than good seeing OConnell's fraudulent ass sent packing at seasons end and if the Wilfs sold the team and decided to nap full time in New Jersey, I'd celebrate like we just won the Super Bowl.

supafreak84 wrote:
It's the Wilfs, bottom line...it's the Wilfs. They have been the one constant over the last 21 years of ineptitude and it has to do with their unrealistic philosophies, running the organization like fans without having an understanding of how the league works, competitive rebuilds, triangles of authority, and the unrelenting waves of nonsense spearheading by Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb never ends. That may chide the hides of some...but it's the absolute truth.

Consciously or otherwise I've resisted the "Blame ownership!" temptation because it's akin to yelling at a cloud. I mean, all of this is, but going after the owners REALLY is because there's an almost 0% chance of anything changing in that regard. At least with staff and players you have some turnover. If we conclude that the Wilfs are the problem then what hope do we have left? Knicks fans have wanted Dolan to sell for years and years but the perennial clown show continues. So while you might be right, I have to continue to believe they'll figure it out. Because the other option is too grim to entertain.

pattersaur wrote:

Consciously or otherwise I've resisted the "Blame ownership!" temptation because it's akin to yelling at a cloud. I mean, all of this is, but going after the owners REALLY is because there's an almost 0% chance of anything changing in that regard. At least with staff and players you have some turnover. If we conclude that the Wilfs are the problem then what hope do we have left? Knicks fans have wanted Dolan to sell for years and years but the perennial clown show continues. So while you might be right, I have to continue to believe they'll figure it out. Because the other option is too grim to entertain.

You are correct, but it is ownership and having two dolts who run the organization like its their fun little side project has been the problem. I'm at the point where I firmly believe lightning is going to have to strike for this organization to win a championship under Wilf ownership. There's a clear 21 year pattern of dysfunction, poor decisions, and flawed organizational philosophies under their watch to make me think anything differently.

Is it a "fun" position to be in as a fan....absolutely not

purplefaithful wrote:

Pohlad???

Things went off the rails later in his tenure, but the golden years were under Winter...

I still relish the 60/70's when this team was winning with Grant/Finks, a perennial division winner, winning BIG NFCCG's and getting to super-bowls. 

Y'all know the curse Hunt/AFC put on the Vikings back in 60/61 right? ;)

I have heard about it, but it was a bit before my time.  I really started watching the Vikings right after the Miracle in the Met.  One of my strongest childhood memories is I believe the 82 season.  It was the first strike season and they only played like 9 games.  Anyways they re-seeded the playoffs to just take the top 8 teams.  The Vikings drew the Falcons in the first round and proceeded to pummel them.  Then, they ran up against freaking John Riggins and the Washington Redskins.  If I remember correctly Riggins ran for almost 200 yards and at the end of the game took a bow to the crowd.  That infuriated me!  I was 8 years old at the time and even rooted for the Cowboys to beat them in the NFC Championship game.  I cried when the Skins won and then won the Super Bowl.

A few years later, my dad had a friend named Mike "Riggs".  Mike was a HUGE guy.  Probably 6'5"ish and over 300lbs.  Anyways, my dad thought it would be funny to tell me that it was John Riggins brother.  Here I am, 11 years old, all 85 lbs of me walk right up to this guy and yell "Your brother is a punk and he sucks".  Hated John Riggins my whole childhood and the Redskins were my most hated team.  Of course my sister, just to piss me off, decided she was a Redskins fan going forward.  Now she is flipping Packers fan...

Didn't the Colts do something similar when they brought in Jones on a one year deal with a 22 year old QB who was the 4th pick in the draft and only had 15 starts?

It's just meh whatever until proven otherwise. The Murray memes are fun though.

FIRST LOOK at new teammates Justin Jefferson and Vikings QB Kyler Murray pic.twitter.com/qubHgCBBFX

— Novig (@Novig) March 12, 2026

Vikergirl wrote:
It's just meh whatever until proven otherwise. The Murray memes are fun though.

FIRST LOOK at new teammates Justin Jefferson and Vikings QB Kyler Murray pic.twitter.com/qubHgCBBFX

— Novig (@Novig) March 12, 2026

LMAO

I hear ya, P.

Keep in mind that this is what a lot of fans wanted, maybe not so much in here as elsewhere, but they were clamoring for change...

I heard was that McCarthy wasn't the answer and that "he sucks" and that "he's too immature" and that "he needs to change his mechanics" and that "he is not the future".

We will see how this all shakes out, but here we go.

I like the Wilfs. I generally like the plan. I think any complaint you have about the Wilfs applies to 26+ teams.

Historically, I’ve generally liked KOC. I like Flores as a DC, although I haven’t listened to him talk too much.

I think this offseason has been a low grade nightmare in terms of PR, with the way that Kwesi got fired followed by a bunch of backstabbing in the media, followed by the Vikings not doing anything to really shut down the drama. I think there’s a very real possibility that the media took some comments out of context and just ran with it and the Vikings could have and should have said something that counters the narrative that it’s a sinking ship in Minnesota and everyone has abandoned rationality for the sake of fighting for their own careers. Combined with the public dogpiling on JJM. I think a small handful of tweets with JJ out there running routes with JJM in a warm climate would have gone a long way.

I don’t hate the GM firing timeline. I don’t think you just bring in a GM and they hit the ground running. I think that’s how you get Kwesi’s first draft. He has a half implemented system and it underperforms.

I also think there’s unfinished business with the previous plan. I don’t think it was meant to be a one year plan, and I don’t think getting a new GM and pivoting immediately is a wise one. That would probably just result in a very muddy plan that didn’t work, and resulted in KOC and Flores getting fired. I also don’t think the plan last year was complete garbage. I think there was some midsized poor planning combined with bad injury luck that really derailed the overall plan. I really think KOC screwed up last year. His plan for the offense wasn’t good. His understanding of where JJM was in his progress wasn’t really good, but I’d still rather have him try again than pivot, and I lowkey love the Murray signing, because I think it will severely stress test KOC’s ego. I think this season can really go well or really go not well and I think a lot of it is going to center around whether KOC molds his scheme around the QBs he has or if he tries to squish the QBs he has into the scheme he’s rolled out for years. I understand that the Vikings have said “There will be a competition” and 80% of the fanbase has read that in there heads as “There is not going to be a competition” or “Kyler will win the competition easily because JJM is trash”. I think there will be a competition. I don’t think we’re rolling into training camp with one QB taking all the #1 reps and your favored QB is sitting on the sideline by themselves in a personal raincloud. I say that because I don’t think that JJM is really being abandoned after 10 games, just that he rightly can’t be handed the job because last season wasn’t great.

supafreak84 wrote:

You are correct, but it is ownership and having two dolts who run the organization like its their fun little side project has been the problem. I'm at the point where I firmly believe lightning is going to have to strike for this organization to win a championship under Wilf ownership. There's a clear 21 year pattern of dysfunction, poor decisions, and flawed organizational philosophies under their watch to make me think anything differently.

Is it a "fun" position to be in as a fan....absolutely not

The dysfunction, poor decisions, and flawed organizational philosophies are not unique to the Vikings.  It applies to all of the major sports teams in Minneapolis, maybe not the Wild.  But remember when Glen Taylor made his secret handshake deal with Joe Smith and lost like 4 first round picks as a result.  He traded Kevin Garnett then made a promise years later to bring him back as a minority owner only to renege on the deal.  Haven't done shit since.  The Twins are just happy to have a .500 record at the end of the season.  Put the team on the market which made everybody happy, just to pull it off the market months later.  Always shopping in the bargain bin hoping to find a gem coming back from injury.  Takes a special person to be a fan of any of the Minneapolis sports teams!

You would think we are replacing Darnold with Murray from the comments. I really do not get the outrage and obviously there is more to this than just JJM getting competition that has some up in arms, definitely some agendas. Funny the argument about mediocrity, but then defending to not have competition and potentially replace a guy who had one of the worst years by a Viking QB in our history.

Wilfs can be blamed for the Kwesi hiring for sure, but overall they have been great owners and have fully supported the organization. But some here obviously have issues with them that extend beyond football and there is a lot of displaced anger. Do not think the Colts fans attacked Isray last year for essentially doing the same thing.

Vikesrock wrote:

From Max Winters; yeah at least they made some Super Bowls to Pohlad, Mike Lynn and the gang of ten, to McCombs and now Wilf. 

The original ownership was a group and while there were some internal power struggles and changes, it remained a "gang" until McCombs took over.  From the time they hired Bud to the time Wilf bought the team it was in the playoffs 2/3 of the time.  Since then it's about 1/3 or half as much.
 

Signing Murray has done one thing.  It has prevented the Vikings from winning a Super Bowl for at least 3 years. 

That seems like emotional hyperbole.

supafreak84 wrote:

Mediocrity is the Wilf way. 

I agree on the field.  Clearly off the field they know how to build buildings and run an ok organization.  But football is the meat of the matter and most of what you said about triangles and out of box stuff is true.  They seemingly value short term feelings over long term strategy.  The slightest strain from having to be patient through growing pains is unacceptable to them.  So you get the quarterback of the year club and yoyoing from good year to bad year, playoffs to no playoffs, and when you are in the playoffs you typically do a pratfall onto your face which is totally embarrassing.

Maybe when their kids inherit the team one of them will have some long term vision and build a winner.   The short term, "anything can happen" philosophy as expressed by Mark Wilf is just plain lazy.   They want a set it and forget it franchise--do whatever quirky hires/front office setup then walk away and spend time on stuff they are really interested in.  That's why their front office turning into a dysfunctional mess for a 2nd time in less than 5 years is apparently a surprise to them.  They aren't around the office to even know what's going on it seems.

The newest QB of the Minnesota Vikings pic.twitter.com/PcqYWJnBOL

— Fliff (@fliff) March 12, 2026

JR44 wrote:
You would think we are replacing Darnold with Murray from the comments.  I really do not get the outrage and obviously there is more to this than just JJM getting competition that has some up in arms, definitely some agendas.  Funny the argument about mediocrity, but then defending to not have competition and potentially replace a guy who had one of the worst years by a Viking QB in our history. 

Wilfs can be blamed for the Kwesi hiring for sure, but overall they have been great owners and have fully supported the organization.  But some here obviously have issues with them that extend beyond football and there is a lot of displaced anger.  Do not think the Colts fans attacked Isray last year for essentially doing the same thing.

I had forgotten about the Colts and you’re right they’ve done a similar thing with Jones and Richardson… but is this helping your argument?

The Colts had a solid year and are rewarded with overpaying a pretty ok injury prone QB with huge money. That’s not the model I’d be following.

As to agendas I agree with you there are some who have them, but that’s not me. I don’t mind Murray as much as I cant get past the pit in my stomach that McCarthy is going to be very good in the NFL someday and it isn’t going to be for the Vikings.

Lastly if you think JJM is the worst starting QB we’ve had in 40 years I have plenty of film to recommend! “McNabb, Donovan and Ponder, Christian” should yield some hits.