The only QB scenario we should be talking about

StickierBuns wrote:

Exactly. That's all I'm really saying. Its all you can do, go with your gut. The upside with JJ is massive and KOC knows this. We've already seen some throws from him that not many other starting QBs make. The Retread Factory won't get you close to the same zip code, the team ideally wants a long term franchise QB. Invest some time. They weathered the storm with JJ last year, this is the year they see land on the horizon.

YES!  This!  And I know we all want JJ to work out, but if he doesn't be ready to restart in 2027.  I know others have said bring in someone with a future here.  But why?  Any of the available options I don't see much hope in winning a Super Bowl (Although you could have knocked me over with a feather if you told me Sam Darnold would be a Super Bowl champion a year later after the Vikings/Rams playoff game.)  Tank for Manning if JJM is not going to be the guy?  We already screwed this up once in 2012 when we could have had Andrew Luck!

Here's the way I see it. After KAM was let go, KOC was told Superbowl or bust by the owners. KOC knows he needs to get to the Superbowl this coming season or he's gone. So, he has weighed his options and is either going to go after a veteran or a very good back up. I wouldn't be surprised at any QB he chooses. 
Just my opinion.

purplefaithful wrote:
Doubling down on JJM is right if thats what their gut say.

If Russini is spot on, it'll be a Dalton, Flacco type...Experienced, a good team player and can win a game if need be - but doesnt have to start to be happy.

I dont think Carr is that guy though - he'll want to start.

Agree. Don't think Carr comes out of retirement to hold a clipboard. 

If we eliminate all the guys who would likely want to come in as the starter (Carr, Murray, Jones, Willis, Rodgers, Cousins), we're kind of left with a short list. I'm no big fan of Geno Smith, but in some ways he makes a lot of sense. 

After his year in Vegas, he's in no position to demand a starting job. He spent half his career as a backup anyway. What's more, I would see a Geno and JJ competition as a fairly even one with no obvious winner. How "real" the competition is might be a bigger factor than we think...for BOTH QBs. 

Geno would also be a QB perfectly capable of running this offense and winning games if he were to win the competition, or if JJ were to go down. He's also just a couple years removed from consecutive Pro Bowl-level seasons, so there's a degree of upside with him as well.

Yeah, 'Ope.
The draft is a crapshoot in the best of times.

FLVike wrote:
Here's the way I see it. After KAM was let go, KOC was told Superbowl or bust by the owners. KOC knows he needs to get to the Superbowl this coming season or he's gone. So, he has weighed his options and is either going to go after a veteran or a very good back up. I wouldn't be surprised at any QB he chooses.  Just my opinion.

We haven't won one in 75 years but now it's SB or bust this season? Cmon. I agree it's a big year for KO but I think as long as the train stays somewhat on the tracks, the most likely outcome is he's our coach again in 2027.

The first part of this is Coller having a discussion with Ben Goessling on the qb situation and trying to dissect comments from the Vikings at the Combine.  I thought it was quite interesting. 

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If we are bringing in a QB, why not somebody thay may have a future with the team?  Cousins, Wilson and to some extent Carr dont fill that role.  I dont like Murray at all,  but would prefer that shit show over cousins and Wilson.   I think Carr could have a few good years left with minimal interruption to JJMs development,   but cousins and Wilson would be a distraction not worth the time lost with JJM.
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I think the point is KOC doesn't want any time lost with JJM....he just wants to push him to better play and solidifying QB1. That's the whole exercise. QB2 will be improved regardless. None of these candidates are going to have 'futures' with the team, if JJ shits the bed in 2026, they'll be drafting a QB in '27 and that vet QB2 will be the bridge QB. But I firmly believe the organization believes in McCarthy, but they need to push him and have a security blanket. That's fair.

KFAN1003
@KFAN1003
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"J.J. has everything it takes to be successful in this league."

Listen back to
@PAOnTheMic
's full conversation with #Vikings Acting GM Rob Brzezinski, including their discussion on the current QB situation, on today's podcast here: https://iheart.com/podcast/462-paul-allen-26980875/

comet52 wrote:
The first part of this is Coller having a discussion with Ben Goessling on the qb situation and trying to dissect comments from the Vikings at the Combine.  I thought it was quite interesting.  

I think this is the most accurate take aligns with what we have seen on the field and comments that KOC has made.  I think Goessling is going to be privy to information we do not have.

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I think it would be fair to ascertain that if JJM fails, no matter if the Vikings bring in a competent backup, doesn't that spell doom for KOC?  10-7 and a first round playoff loss with Kirk Cousins is still a failure in my book.
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JMO, but I think KOC is on pretty firm ground with the Wilfs. Let's all remember: JJM was the 5th QB taken. 5th. And as much as I love JJ, he wasn't KOC's first choice....or probably second. But having said that, JJ is a rawer version of what KOC loves about QBs. 

Agreed about trotting Kirko out there for a 1st round loss in the playoffs. Its meaningless. What I think fans will see come May is a bigger, more decisive JJ McCarthy and he's going to own the position. He loves to compete.

If KOC had a crystal ball and knew what kind of season Uncle Sammy would have, Minnesota would have never drafted a QB. He's perfect for what KOC likes to do. But that's not how it works.

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Doubling down on JJM is right if thats what their gut say.

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Exactly. That's all I'm really saying. Its all you can do, go with your gut. The upside with JJ is massive and KOC knows this. We've already seen some throws from him that not many other starting QBs make. The Retread Factory won't get you close to the same zip code, the team ideally wants a long term franchise QB. Invest some time. They weathered the storm with JJ last year, this is the year they see land on the horizon.

VikingzFanPage
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There is “mutual interest” between the #Vikings and #Colts QB Anthony Richardson, who was just granted permission to seek a trade, per
@CameronWolfe
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Minnesota is a team to keep an eye on.

trey wingo
@wingoz
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From 4th overall to likely traded before his 4th season….

pattersaur wrote:

We haven't won one in 75 years but now it's SB or bust this season? Cmon. I agree it's a big year for KO but I think as long as the train stays somewhat on the tracks, the most likely outcome is he's our coach again in 2027.

We were in the Superbowl 50 years ago, where were you?

FLVike wrote:

We were in the Superbowl 50 years ago, where were you?

Yes, we were "IN" the Superbowl for our last time in 1977, but he is correct in that we have not "WON" one. Where he is wrong by saying that it has been 75 years, is that the Vikings have only been around since 1961 so there's that...  Somehow, we are always one of the most competitive teams that has never won one. There must be a curse or something over them but at least I don't think they can claim it is the Kardashian Curse like my Phoenix Suns can, (Thanks Booker!) :(

Daniel McRandall wrote:

Yes, we were "IN" the Superbowl for our last time in 1977, but he is correct in that we have not "WON" one. Where he is wrong by saying that it has been 75 years, is that the Vikings have only been around since 1961 so there's that...  Somehow, we are always one of the most competitive teams that has never won one. There must be a curse or something over them but at least I don't think they can claim it is the Kardashian Curse like my Phoenix Suns can, (Thanks Booker!) :(

My original post said nothing about winning the Superbowl. When i said Superbowl or bust that meant getting to the Superbowl, just like California or bust means getting to California. My point was that, IMO, if KOC doesn't get to the Superbowl then he will be gone. I NEVER said winning the Superbowl.

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The first part of this is Coller having a discussion with Ben Goessling on the qb situation and trying to dissect comments from the Vikings at the Combine.  I thought it was quite interesting. 

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I think all the bases are covered now officially online, lol.....gotta love the offseason.

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I think this is the most accurate take aligns with what we have seen on the field and comments that KOC has made.  I think Goessling is going to be privy to information we do not have.
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Ben G. is the least connected guy out there. You may as well believe Kevin Seifert has sources. And Matt Coller is hilariously removed from anything. If you believe anyone, and that's a stretch because I think they almost all make up shit at some point, it would be Tom Pelissero.

StickierBuns wrote:
VikingzFanPage @vikingzfanpage · 6m There is “mutual interest” between the #Vikings and #Colts QB Anthony Richardson, who was just granted permission to seek a trade, per @CameronWolfe . Minnesota is a team to keep an eye on.

trey wingo
@wingoz
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From 4th overall to likely traded before his 4th season….

If you can get him for a day 3 26 pick and maybe a conditional pick another year, then I would be good with this one.  He wont be ready to really compete until mid season at the earliest,   which is how long JJM should be given to show hes the man or not. If JJM shows good,  AR stays in the bench,  If Richardson can show any promise in the event that JJM fails you have a young guy that takes the pressure off having to hit on a qb in 27 as you could pivot to him being your QBOTF,  while the new kid simmers in the back burner.

The only way I see us getting a top tier QB in 27 though is to jist give JJM the whole season and for him to be a total bust,  which IMO isn't likely.  Bringing in a competent back up will just make it to hard to get into position to pick a blue chip prospect so then we are back to getting 4th or 5th guy off the board or burning a ton pf picks to move up and not addressing our other positions.

StickierBuns wrote:
VikingzFanPage @vikingzfanpage · 6m There is “mutual interest” between the #Vikings and #Colts QB Anthony Richardson, who was just granted permission to seek a trade, per @CameronWolfe

This makes sense in that it was heavily reported that the Vikes tried very hard to move up to draft him, the question would be was it Kwesi or KOC who really wanted him.

It doesn't make sense from where our QB room currently is, he would come in with many of the same issues as JJM has had in terms of accuracy and durability.  While JJM was a 57% completion rate, Richardson has been 50% in 17 games, that is just crazy.  No thank you!

If we were going to gamble on a younger guy with upside, my choice by far would be Will Levis.

For what its worth:

@vikingzfanpage
“Justin Jefferson still believes in JJ McCarthy. I can tell you that factually. He still believes in him.”

@TomPelissero via @RichEisenShow

JR44 wrote:

This makes sense in that it was heavily reported that the Vikes tried very hard to move up to draft him, the question would be was it Kwesi or KOC who really wanted him.

It doesn't make sense from where our QB room currently is, he would come in with many of the same issues as JJM has had in terms of accuracy and durability.  While JJM was a 57% completion rate, Richardson has been 50% in 17 games, that is just crazy.  No thank you!

If we were going to gamble on a younger guy with upside, my choice by far would be Will Levis.

I'm with you. AR would be a big gamble. But so would Will Levis. 

So we need "baseline QB" play to hedge our bets against a young, injury-prone QB who has yet to prove he can play in the NFL. And we do that by bringing in another young, injury-prone QB who has yet to prove he can play in the NFL?