Back to JJM next week and continue the plan

Bullazin wrote:
Hopefully we’ll have darrisaw and Jackson back. 

Despite the results this is not a bad team, except at QB, the most important and impactful position. Yes we have underachievers elsewhere obviously. 

The biggest issues that need cleaned up in order :

JJ’s development 
KOC being better at situational play calling
Stopping the run
Turnovers 
Stupid penalties 

Watching the games, there have been so many tipped balls and fumbles that we have not been able to secure on defense. Things haven’t bounced our way at all this year.  So I think turnovers will even out next year. 

It’s on KOC to fix the first 2 most important problems. If he doesn’t, his ass should be on the line end of next year. 

Kwesi needs to hit a good draft.  If his draft and FA work isn’t at least average, his ass should be on the line also end of next year.

So bottom line in all this, I will blow sunshine as long as possible. There has been a lot of good with this leadership. Just look at their overall record. 

It looks like the the rest of the year is gonna be for evaluation and development.  Hopefully JJ can right his ship. If he shows some improvement, we can at least have some hope for next year. 

I’ll post about positions and players at some point, but there have been several underachieving large dollar players this year as well.

Kwesi hasn't hit a good draft yet and just spent 300+ million in free agency lol. Why should his ass not be on the line NOW!?

The plan never changed. People on this forum were just impatient

mblack wrote:
The plan never changed. People on this forum were just impatient

We’d not be looking for heads on pikes if we saw even just a smigget of improvement.

supafreak84 wrote:

Kwesi hasn't hit a good draft yet and just spent 300+ million in free agency lol. Why should his ass not be on the line NOW!?

We are back here now. Lol.

mblack wrote:

We are back here now. Lol.

We never left

AGRforever wrote:

We’d not be looking for heads on pikes if we saw even just a smigget of improvement.

Totally understand. I am just saying the ridiculous number of injuries is not helping the development of the qb. Then there is the inconsistent play from other units of the offense.

Yup, back to JJM if he can go.

As far as the rest of the team? IMO there is getting the QB right, then everything else all lumped together. Brosmer was clearly not ready to play today.

I thought the D was legit for a good part of this game and really good to see Dallas Turner "arrow up" and making splash plays. He might be hitting his stride!!

This has been a miserable season for a fan and the players too. I cant remember turning a game off as often as I have this year.

This is one of the most snakebit years I can ever remember as a fan of this team, and that's saying something. At this point, I'm just hoping for higher draft position and something to build off of for next year, especially at the QB position.

SFVikingFan wrote:
This is one of the most snakebit years I can ever remember as a fan of this team, and that's saying something. At this point, I'm just hoping for higher draft position and something to build off of for next year, especially at the QB position.

Yeah it hasn't been "Square One" bad around these parts in a while. I'm fine with staying the course and being patient but every thing and everyone should be under serious scrutiny.

Except for our best player, he's safe (Eric Wilson).

pattersaur wrote:

Yeah it hasn't been "Square One" bad around these parts in a while. I'm fine with staying the course and being patient but every thing and everyone should be under serious scrutiny.

Except for our best player, he's safe (Eric Wilson).

I still like Turner's progress too. Redmond too.

1VikesFan wrote:

I still like Turner's progress too. Redmond too.

and rodgrueiz throw Scott would like to see more of Felton and price at wr  maybe some Elijah Williams and tid on dl

pattersaur wrote:

Yeah it hasn't been "Square One" bad around these parts in a while. I'm fine with staying the course and being patient but every thing and everyone should be under serious scrutiny.

Except for our best player, he's safe (Eric Wilson).

I still like Turner's progress too. Redmond too.

The team is 100% all in on McCarthy still. It’s either he’s The Guy or none of this works. We’ve seen that. Maybe next year that’ll be different but I doubt it. Even if he’s not even starting for us, the actions the team took to build around him will likely seal the fate of the 2026 squad as well. So we really need him to work out! I remain hopeful. But he has to stay healthy. Hopefully he does.

As far as hindsight— Daniel Jones and Sam Darnold haven’t played well in a month. In a different universe imagine they are wearing purple and that same scenario is playing out. If Jones were here and sputtering you’d have half the fan base calling for McCarthy to start next week. Life is full of twists and turns, maybe McCarthy can shock the world and right the ship yet this season. Because if not, the alternative is bleak.

There's a plan? Lol.

Brian Flores can coach a defense. He's also looking very much like he's leaving after this season, probably to be replaced by fraud Brandon Staley, KOC's buddy.

KOC otoh is the most useless offensive coach I've seen in a long time. He's been situationally and strategically terrible since day one, doesn't address festering problems with oline, special teams, you name it. They hired him for his ability to talk and slap backsides, not to coach. He's managed to get the best player on his team playing poorly, showing bad body language and acting today like he just wants out.

And I'm sorry to burst anyone's bubble but JJM has a near zero chance of being a success in the NFL. He's mind-numbingly historically bad, the stats prove it. People can float all the fantasy comps like Josh Allen they want but this is Zach Wilson meets JaMarcus Russell. Sorry. Drafting him where they did was simply a mistake. I hoped he might be the guy but as this year has gone on the hype just seemed less and less real and then he got on the field (when he wasn't injured again) and there was no hype any more, just, wtf.

A plan only works if competent people execute it and KAM/KOC aren't that.

comet52 wrote:
There's a plan?  Lol.

Brian Flores can coach a defense.  He's also looking very much like he's leaving after this season, probably to be replaced by fraud Brandon Staley, KOC's buddy.

Here's an interesting question; should Brian Flores be the head coach of this football team?

I think he's proven to be the real deal and my trust in him is ten fold over what it is in O'Connell at this point. It's kind of similar to when we had this guy running our defense named Mike Tomlin who I thought was a better coach then our head coach at the time (Childress) and I thought it was a mistake letting him go to Pittsburgh.

supafreak84 wrote:

Here's an interesting question; should Brian Flores be the head coach of this football team?

I think he's proven to be the real deal and my trust in him is ten fold over what it is in O'Connell at this point. It's kind of similar to when we had this guy running our defense named Mike Tomlin who I thought was a better coach then our head coach at the time (Childress) and I thought it was a mistake letting him go to Pittsburgh.

Flores time as a HC in Miami was a huge fail, he alienated players and staff, do not see him as a great communicator or having the personality to be a HC.  From just a strictly football perspective, I do not even like him as a DC.  Defense did okay today, but they consistently do not come out looking prepared giving up a score on most 1st possessions and poor in game adjustments.  Also think of Flores from a personnel perspective, sure it was largely his call to not resign Bynum and think that Metullus could play that role, also to give big money to Murphy, signing Allen and Hargrave and it has been widely reported he was a huge fan of Rogers and wanted him badly.  Not a fan, especially with his bogus lawsuit.  No one was going to hire him except Tomlin after the Miami fiasco and he had no other offers when Kwesi came calling.

mblack wrote:

Totally understand. I am just saying the ridiculous number of injuries is not helping the development of the qb. Then there is the inconsistent play from other units of the offense.

supafreak84 wrote:

Here's an interesting question; should Brian Flores be the head coach of this football team?

I think he's proven to be the real deal and my trust in him is ten fold over what it is in O'Connell at this point. It's kind of similar to when we had this guy running our defense named Mike Tomlin who I thought was a better coach then our head coach at the time (Childress) and I thought it was a mistake letting him go to Pittsburgh.

I'm not sure any team can hire him with the lawsuit active.  Probably an unspoken owner taboo.  And his time in Miami wasn't exactly stellar.

But I'm also not sure he wants the job.  He's not under contract after this year is what I heard.  He may be looking to escape the mess.  If you are a competent coach on a staff with a bunch of incompetents, you want to get away before the stench gets on your resume.  Maybe he just sees the ship sinking and wants off, I don't know.

If they did hire him he'd still need a competent OC, GM, and QB.   Lotta work to do.

comet52 wrote:

I'm not sure any team can hire him with the lawsuit active.  Probably an unspoken owner taboo.  And his time in Miami wasn't exactly stellar.

But I'm also not sure he wants the job.  He's not under contract after this year is what I heard.  He may be looking to escape the mess.  If you are a competent coach on a staff with a bunch of incompetents, you want to get away before the stench gets on your resume.  Maybe he just sees the ship sinking and wants off, I don't know.

If they did hire him he'd still need a competent OC, GM, and QB.   Lotta work to do.

I really hope the Vikings are able to retain BFlo.

Nobody is hiring BFlo as a HC while that lawsuit is hanging out there...

I thought he did a nice job having his group ready to play yesterday - at least the first 1/2 of the game. But I wouldnt lose too much sleep if he left, his schemes surprise few anymore.

Kinda like Zimms A Gap, teams figure s hit out eventually.