Post game thoughts

I just read a blurb from Jones saying that the Ravens were playing a "little game" to get those false starts...I'm not sure what that was, but I'm very curious.
I'm concerned for Price, too, because he was money up 'til yesterday.
Totally agreed on Nailor.

Zanary wrote:
I just read a blurb from Jones saying that the Ravens were playing a "little game" to get those false starts...I'm not sure what that was, but I'm very curious. I'm concerned for Price, too, because he was money up 'til yesterday. Totally agreed on Nailor.

Interesting.  Feed me any details on that if you find it.

That call on Thielen was absolute crap as well.  After Gink got blocked in the back on a crackback last week, it makes it even worse.

Van Gink is awesome - more so than even Greenard (who I hope is ok)

Jalen Redmond is on his way to being the next K Dub

You're tip-toeing around 2 elephants in the room Greed

I think KOC called a terrible game, especially given where the QB is at. I DID NOT anticipate this ever happening
Right now JJM intangibles far outweigh his production
Glad you're calling out Jefferson, he's deserved of criticism

purplefaithful wrote:
Van Gink is awesome - more so than even Greenard (who I hope is ok)

Jalen Redmond is on his way to being the next K Dub

You're tip-toeing around 2 elephants in the room Greed

I think KOC called a terrible game, especially given where the QB is at. I DID NOT anticipate this ever happening
Right now JJM intangibles far outweigh his production
Glad you're calling out Jefferson, he's deserved of criticism

Love Jalen as well.   K-will without the draft drama.  Greenard is playing well, just can't quite close on the sacks.  He has had so many slip out of his grasp.

I didn't think it was terrible.  JJ was placing the ball pretty well, the almost INT by their LB was a bit behind, but overall JJ was throwing the ball well.  One bad decision on the deep INT into double coverage, but that wasn't a play call thing.  JJ just stepped up and didn't see the safety.  Should have ran that.  Our run calls were moving the ball.  I just don't see that issue.  

What was with the announcers tho?  On that LB INT that was overturned, ball obviously moved, seemed like an easy reversal.  They were saying it wasn't.  

Didn't get to see a replay of the questionable interference on Harrison either.

greediron wrote:
Disappointing game.  Started well, but I was stressing by the second quarter.

• Mason is struggling in pass-pro.  Whiffed on Hamilton giving up a huge pressure and knockdown by Hamilton
• Refs seemed to favor Baltimore.  I know we jumped 8 times.  But calling it on a QB?  When does that ever happen?  At one point late in the game Baltimore only had 1 penalty for 5 yards.  
• False starts at home?  Something was up with JJ's cadence.  Either he was just amped and barking louder, or we were trying to get Balt to jump.  Whatever the case, it wasn't working.
• Jefferson seemed disinterested.  Seemed almost lethargic, getting tripped up on that deep INT and then not hustling.
• Absolutely no issue with the deep shot on 3rd and 1.  Jefferson 1-1 with no safety?  Who wouldn't take a shot on that matchup?  Those criticizing that play are hiding behind the 20/20 hindsight or just don't understand football.  How often do we complain that coaches don't go for the kill shot?  That was a kill shot and a great call.  Didn't work out, but it was still a great call.
• Our run game seems better, should have leaned on it more, but I really don't think play calling was the issue here.
• The INT was a big moment, but the fumble on the kick return was bigger.  Short field, the D rallied so many times holding them to FGs, but couldn't stop this one.
• Wonder where Price's head is at going forward.  Fumbled the next return as well.
• Nailor stepped up in a big way.  That 4th down catch where he double clutched it was huge.  The TD was a thing of beauty.
• How many tipped balls did our D just miss?  I think there were 3 that had potential, but just fell short.  Could have been a huge difference
• But the D played a tremendous game IMO.  Van Ginkel is such a great player.  Causes the other team so many issue.

I thought it was a shit call.  You have a disinterested receiver with a rookie quarterback that was off his game and you call that pass play, and by the way I do know football.  Why did they sign Mason if they don't trust the offense to convert a 3rd and 1?  Run the damn ball and if you don't make it run on 4th down.  This fucking team is soft and needs to start knocking the crap out of teams especially at home.

Another thing they need to stop the SKOL chant until the team is able to actually play like a professional team at home.  Its just stupid to do the chant and then have the team come out and lay an egg.

Purple daily dropped a blistering factoid that accurately depicts where KOC is off.

The Vikings had 20 instances where they were in 3rd or 4th down situations ....

Total number of running plays in those instance = 0. Zero. Zip. Nada.

Mattyman wrote:
Purple daily dropped a blistering factoid that accurately depicts where KOC is off.

The Vikings had 20 instances where they were in 3rd or 4th down situations ....

Total number of running plays in those instance = 0. Zero. Zip. Nada.

42 pass attempts is egregious, for JJ and the OL

KOC is having JJ call a brown-belt offense with a white belt skill set. The poor kid looked like he needed to breath out of a bag that entire 2nd 1/2. 

I luv KOC, but his affinity to pass is a problem right now. 

Ok, I'm done

Greylock wrote:
I thought it was a shit call.  You have a disinterested receiver with a rookie quarterback that was off his game and you call that pass play, and by the way I do know football.  Why did they sign Mason if they don't trust the offense to convert a 3rd and 1?  Run the damn ball and if you don't make it run on 4th down.  This fucking team is soft and needs to start knocking the crap out of teams especially at home.

Another thing they need to stop the SKOL chant until the team is able to actually play like a professional team at home.  Its just stupid to do the chant and then have the team come out and lay an egg.

The best WR in football?  This wasn't Bernard Berrian.

As KOC said, you take a shot with 0 coverage.  No safety, best WR in football 1 on 1.  If you don't take that shot you might as well resign as a play caller.  And the could still run on 4th down if they didn't make it.  Taking the safe play is soft.

I agree with everything in the OP, before the deep pass, I was thinking the same thing as we still had 4th down to go for it if it didn't hit. There were so many things that turned the game, the Price fumble and the Flores defense that refuses to make any kind of adjustments, but with a good QB performance we still win the game.

How many more balls have to fly over the heads of wide open WRs before JJ changes his mechanics. On many passes he looks like he is just winding up and throwing as hard as he can. It has been the knock on him and yet he continues to do the same thing over and over again. I was really disappointed in Jefferson yesterday and was beginning to wonder as one ball flew over his head after another if he is just getting really frustrated and defeated, he sees him in practice every day and may be getting tired of not seeing any improvement. I understand the bad reads and decisions are all part of the learning curve, but at this point you need to be able to throw an NFL pass with consistency. He had some beautiful throws and then goes back to throwing darts.

I was just listening to Rich Gannon talking about the game on NFL Radio. Apparently it was the first time in 16 years a team has committed 8 or more false starts playing at home. Said a lot had to do with McCarthy's inconsistent cadence and the Ravens defensive line barking out line shifts just prior to the ball being snapped. Said it's not legal to do that and the line judge should have been notified that's what they were doing to watch things a little closer. If that's what happened, KOC should have made the refs aware. Just a weird f'n game. Watching this team and the ugliness in which they play and conduct their business week in and week out is maddening.

On one of those long interceptions, I think it was the first one, Jets was open but JJ threw it late. Maybe that was Jefferson out there yesterday and not Jets!

hogjowlsjohnny wrote:
On one of those long interceptions, I think it was the first one, Jets was open but JJ threw it late. Maybe that was Jefferson out there yesterday and not Jets!

The one where he stepped up in the pocket and fired it into double coverage?  That looked like a bad throw, safety was camping on that, ball sailed.

Why was McCarthy asked to throw the ball 42 times, in a one score game, the most he has ever thrown in a game in his career. Either Kwesi or KOC needs to own up to the fact that they signed Jordan Mason to run the ball and refuse to use him. Third and 1 and they throw the fucking home run ball to a disinterested receiver, best in the game, but still disinterested in yesterdays game. Just stupid play calling on KOC.

Looks like Greenard will be ok, KOC said he likely practice this week. That is good news, he was in lots of pain.

greediron wrote:
Looks like Greenard will be ok, KOC said he likely practice this week.  That is good news, he was in lots of pain.

That is good, although I wouldn't mind seeing Turner start the rest of the year to evaluate him much like we are evaluating McCarthy in extended playing time. I actually thought Turner flashed a little yesterday and the personal foul on his sack was total bullshit. Dick Butkus is rolling over in his grave every NFL weekend

greediron wrote:

The one where he stepped up in the pocket and fired it into double coverage?  That looked like a bad throw, safety was camping on that, ball sailed.

Yeah, that's the one. He threw it way too late. He was kind of scrambling forward on the play and saw Jets open down the field and threw it, but by the time the ball got there he was double covered. A very common rookie mistake!

greediron wrote:
Disappointing game.  Started well, but I was stressing by the second quarter.

• Mason is struggling in pass-pro.  Whiffed on Hamilton giving up a huge pressure and knockdown by Hamilton
• Refs seemed to favor Baltimore.  I know we jumped 8 times.  But calling it on a QB?  When does that ever happen?  At one point late in the game Baltimore only had 1 penalty for 5 yards.  
• False starts at home?  Something was up with JJ's cadence.  Either he was just amped and barking louder, or we were trying to get Balt to jump.  Whatever the case, it wasn't working.
• Jefferson seemed disinterested.  Seemed almost lethargic, getting tripped up on that deep INT and then not hustling.
• Absolutely no issue with the deep shot on 3rd and 1.  Jefferson 1-1 with no safety?  Who wouldn't take a shot on that matchup?  Those criticizing that play are hiding behind the 20/20 hindsight or just don't understand football.  How often do we complain that coaches don't go for the kill shot?  That was a kill shot and a great call.  Didn't work out, but it was still a great call.
• Our run game seems better, should have leaned on it more, but I really don't think play calling was the issue here.
• The INT was a big moment, but the fumble on the kick return was bigger.  Short field, the D rallied so many times holding them to FGs, but couldn't stop this one.
• Wonder where Price's head is at going forward.  Fumbled the next return as well.
• Nailor stepped up in a big way.  That 4th down catch where he double clutched it was huge.  The TD was a thing of beauty.
• How many tipped balls did our D just miss?  I think there were 3 that had potential, but just fell short.  Could have been a huge difference
• But the D played a tremendous game IMO.  Van Ginkel is such a great player.  Causes the other team so many issue.

Agree completely at the bold. I wanted to be mad about it and I was for a second. Then I realized 3rd and 1 (actually more like 3rd and a foot) at midfield. Obvious 4-down situation. Taking a shot to JJ in single coverage was a good idea. 

I do think, however, that KOC tends to trust McCarthy a little too much. He plays him like he would play Cousins or Darnold. I don't think he's quite ready for that.

Zanary wrote:

I just read a blurb from Jones saying that the Ravens were playing a "little game" to get those false starts...I'm not sure what that was, but I'm very curious.
I'm concerned for Price, too, because he was money up 'til yesterday.
Totally agreed on Nailor.

The impression I got from the game and post-game interviews was that the Ravens were calling out their defensive adjustments in sudden loud bursts. It's actually a penalty for defenses to mimic the cadence or yell "hike" in an attempt to draw false starts. But there's nothing wrong with calling out your defensive adjustments in a way that mimics the cadence.

hogjowlsjohnny wrote:

Yeah, that's the one. He threw it way too late. He was kind of scrambling forward on the play and saw Jets open down the field and threw it, but by the time the ball got there he was double covered. A very common rookie mistake!

Yep. All rookies need to do this in the NFL to realize that you CAN'T do that in the NFL. Its a process. I think a few fans that say 'JJ isn't a rookie' are seriously forgetting that he didn't throw a football the WHOLE year he was injured. He didn't run a scout team. He did none of the things that Brosmer is doing right now. No reps. He IS a rookie.

I would hope in JJ's Year 5 season he's playing a hell of a lot better than Jordan Love. That's what $55 million a year gets you today?

MaroonBells wrote:

Agree completely at the bold. I wanted to be mad about it and I was for a second. Then I realized 3rd and 1 (actually more like 3rd and a foot) at midfield. Obvious 4-down situation. Taking a shot to JJ in single coverage was a good idea. 

I do think, however, that KOC tends to trust McCarthy a little too much. He plays him like he would play Cousins or Darnold. I don't think he's quite ready for that.

The impression I got from the game and post-game interviews was that the Ravens were calling out their defensive adjustments in sudden loud bursts. It's actually a penalty for defenses to mimic the cadence or yell "hike" in an attempt to draw false starts. But there's nothing wrong with calling out your defensive adjustments in a way that mimics the cadence.

KOC said there were no issues with Baltimore mimicking cadence.  But KOC is way to nice when it comes to calling out bullshit.

greediron wrote:

KOC said there were no issues with Baltimore mimicking cadence.  But KOC is way to nice when it comes to calling out bullshit.

Agree with the second part. I'm sure he doesn't want to make excuses, and that's fine. But 8 false starts? 3 of which by your 2X Pro Bowl RT Brian O'Neill? A guy who had two false starts over 17 games in 2023? Two in 2024? That guy has three in one game? No, something screwed them up.