I actually turned that game off at the 1/2

I watched til half then stopped. The concerns from earlier this season continue to be an issue. A O-line that was injured that needed time to gel, has continued to get injured. The D-line has not been nearly as stout, or put on near the pressure without Van Ginkel. The defensive backs have struggled without suitable replacements and more time to throw because of the lack of pressure. If you refuse to put a decent QB out there we can't compete. If you want to protect JJ fine - then put Brosmer out there.

purplefaithful wrote:
Rough time to be a fan...

I dont know how they safely bring JJM along with such a Mash unit on the OL?

We were w/out Greenard and Gink last night for a while, but that D is just underperforming overall. Something aint right.  

Makes you question a lot when stuff goes to shit like this.

I agree with you, but how do you know what happened if you turned it off at half?   :cool:

Greenard wasn't out that long.

I think Jjettas said it best in that he knows somethings wrong and it needs to get fixed fast.

IMO, that fix is a leader.  Wentz is not that and McCarthy is.  KO needs to take the training wheels off and let McCarthy learn in game.  We shouldn't be expecting perfection, but we should expect to win some games.  This team is too good on paper to be putting what they have on the field lately.

Injuries are a big problem and so is the o line (again).  Can we find a freaking competent o line coach?  Where is Allen and Hargraves?  Allen got a sack because Herbert ran into him and he fell on him, but he has looked like a greased pig in most games this season.  We cannot stop the run, unless it's the Barkley and gameplanning for him, but then we can't stop the long 3rd downs.  Harrison Smith is out of it and needs to retire.  Hockenson looks like he's high all the time not getting into his routes quick enough and when he does decide to turn around, he forgets that his job is to catch the ball.  He looks like he's stuck in quick sand and can't move his body to adjust to a catch (other than the diving end zone one of course). And lastly...can we stop with all of the penalties?

IceRatz16 wrote:

I agree with you, but how do you know what happened if you turned it off at half?   :cool:

Greenard wasn't out that long.

I think Jjettas said it best in that he knows somethings wrong and it needs to get fixed fast.

IMO, that fix is a leader.  Wentz is not that and McCarthy is.  KO needs to take the training wheels off and let McCarthy learn in game.  We shouldn't be expecting perfection, but we should expect to win some games.  This team is too good on paper to be putting what they have on the field lately.

Injuries are a big problem and so is the o line (again).  Can we find a freaking competent o line coach?  Where is Allen and Hargraves?  Allen got a sack because Herbert ran into him and he fell on him, but he has looked like a greased pig in most games this season.  We cannot stop the run, unless it's the Barkley and gameplanning for him, but then we can't stop the long 3rd downs.  Harrison Smith is out of it and needs to retire.  Hockenson looks like he's high all the time not getting into his routes quick enough and when he does decide to turn around, he forgets that his job is to catch the ball.  He looks like he's stuck in quick sand and can't move his body to adjust to a catch (other than the diving end zone one of course).  And lastly...can we stop with all of the penalties?

I normally dont check out that soon, but just a feeling after all these decades that it wasn't worth my time or emotional investment. 

Hope they turn it around soon, if not suck enough to get a top 10 pick I guess. I dont love playing that fan game though. No assurances on draft picks - as we know all too well.

After the first half, my son and I jumped into the hot tub with a few beers. By the time we got back to the TV, the game in real time was over so we just fast forwarded through that steaming pile of purple pig pooh in about 10 minutes.

I'm looking forward to watching JJ next week. I think there's a decent chance this offense can be significantly better later in the year. Obviously nothing is guaranteed with a young QB, but at least there's a reason for hope, a reason to watch. There is no such hope or reason on the other side of the ball. No "deus ex machina" waiting in the wings to solve all our problems. The defense is relatively healthy, probably healthier than most teams right now. They just can't stop anyone. 

We've had worse teams, but I don't think I remember a time when the GULF between the team on paper and the team on turf has ever been wider. The good(ish) news is that the Vikings may be headed toward a top 10 pick.

Reminded me of the good old days under Zimmer where every primetime game meant we were about to get smoked. Chargers offense did whatever it wanted last night for the most part. Keenan, McConkey, the rookie tight end, the running back... They spread the ball around but had they wanted or needed to, any one of those guys and probably their backups too could've had a blowup game on us last night.

The whole team was gassed from Sunday and never got off the bus. They're probably more ready than we are for a different quarterback. Hopefully over the next week and change they can get their mojo back. That largely seems to hinge on McCarthy at this point. Go get em kid.

To me, last night was the culmination of two factors - one having a guy with no personnel experience run your team and two bringing in a defensive coach who totally crippled his previous team and had no other team interested in him. We can talk about the OL and QB all day, but the other side of the ball was even more embarrassing and they were fully healthy except for one. We are consistently in the hole every game, because the defense is not prepared and gives up a TD on the first drive, they then make absolutely no adjustments all game. Kwesi is absolutely awful with managing personnel, but I am pretty certain that the decisions to sign guys like Allen, Hargrave and Rodgers, while letting Bynum go and replacing him with a hybrid LB are mostly on Flores.

purplefaithful wrote:
Rough time to be a fan...

I dont know how they safely bring JJM along with such a Mash unit on the OL?

We were w/out Greenard and Gink last night for a while, but that D is just underperforming overall. Something aint right.  

Makes you question a lot when stuff goes to shit like this.

Same with me.  
Went and watched The Diplomat instead.
Ugh.
That OL was a disaster.

Flores is overrated as a defensive coordinator.  He is trying to play defense with smaller quicker guys but that doesn't stop a team from running right at them, as we have seen all to often.  I think teams have figured out his schemes and tendencies and learned how to attack them. Flores is either to stubborn to change or doesn't know how.

The entire coaching staff and scouting department need to be evaluated during the off season and changes may need to be made.

When they show the draft room on draft day, how can so many people in that room be in agreement on a player that sucks when the games begin.  They show Kwesi and KOC on the phone talking to the picks "we are so excited and can't wait to get you here" or "can't believe you were still available for us".  Then they either get waived or cut.

By the third quarter, backup quarterback (broken), backup center (IR) and both backup tackles (gimpy knees) spelled doom from the start. Adding in, the defense couldn't pass defense to save their own lives.

I have zero faith any more that KOC is going to lead this team anywhere, he just is unwilling to make the hard decisions and to do what is necessary to try and improve. Wentz needed to be sat, even if Brosmer was dog shit, at least there was a chance, but the notion that Wentz is going to suddenly start hitting the easy passes he has been missing for a few weeks is insane.

Somebody mentions Smith needs to retire... he was the only damn defender making tackles last night, I think you could blow up the entire D if we think Smith is the issue.

If this is how KOC and KAM prepare a team after getting multi year extensions... oy vey. I expected to lose last night, hell i expected to have a rough year, but I expected the team to look like it was prepared and fighting for wins and I dont see that right now from the coaches or many of the players.

The defense looked old & slow last night.

This was the type of blowout on national television the will surely get the Wilf's attention. The question is will it cause them to take action or will they do what they've done for the past 20 years & be satisfied with mediocrity. Short of a "love boat" type of scandal, the Wilfs seem content with mediocrity & to count their ever increasing revenue.

I text throughout the game with a buddy. Something we’ve done for nearly 20 years. Started off the afternoon stating I wasn’t planning on watching the game if it turned into a shitshow. 

I ended up watching a bit more than expected, but I eventually turned to channel surfing to return in time to see Brosmer in mop up duty. Was nice to see the ball come out in time, even if it was a very limited basis.

November 3rd will mark 56 years following this team. I find I’m just not willing to spend the same time and emotional investment as previously. I used to rewatch all the games win or lose. A few years ago, I stopped rewatching the losses. About 4 years ago I stopped rewatching altogether. The ROI on my investment just isn’t there. 

As MB mentioned, the difference between what’s on paper and what’s on the field is a chasm. Watching a 3-4, soon to be 3-5 flailing about as a 2nd year QB finds his legs is one thing. Watching Wince play QB to a level that makes me want to stab my eyeballs out is entirely another. 

But, yeah…driving towards a top 10 pick will be an ineffective balm, unless the next 10 games have JJ under one of the centers in the revolving door at that position with at least a glimpse of an upside.

Hoping we didn’t grab the Josh Rosen from this class.

IMO giving up on KOC is melodramatic. Even with Kwesi drafting skills near the bottom generally most other aspects are pretty good. Hindsight I would say they got to cute with the QB position. Get moving off Cousins but looking back and giving draft capitol for both JJM and Turner looks like stupid drafting again. Now all wagons hitched to JJM which looks like his career will be between Chad Pennington, Matt leinhardt, Brady Quinn.. UGH

I will just add, I hate Thursday games. For the team travelling, it just sucks. No chance to recover and practice, then a long flight.

Without CD and O'Neill on the line, we were screwed. Wentz holding the ball just cemented it. And NY buzzing in and overturning Rodgers pick 6 really started everything off.

When the season inevitably goes to 18 games, maybe they’ll dial back the Thursday night schedule to something more reasonable. 

I’d suggest the season opener for the SB champions and their conference championship opponent. Then a Friday night game. Next Thursday night game wouldn’t be until thanksgiving. Then do a Black Friday game. 

You’d have to structure the season schedule such that Prime doesn’t get screwed out of their allocated share of the schedule. If the NFLPA had any teeth they could bargain for this under the umbrella of player safety.

Nobody wants Thursday night football except for Goodell and the owners. Players don't want it, coaches don't want it, and the fans don't want it either. We watch because it's football and people have fantasy players, etc....but it's a shitty product more times than not.

I agree that Thursday games should be reserved for the season opening game and Thanksgiving. That's it.

Dialing back Thursday will never happen. It's all about money in case you hadn't caught on. Just like the 18 game schedule will be worse for player health and push the SB back to almost March but who cares because money! And it will also be the doorway to putting teams in Europe and having everyone play at least one overseas game every year. Might as well adapt because it's coming, just like a Bad Bunny halftime show whether you like it or not lol.

Or quit the NFL, hell I don't care. I'll probably quit it myself one of these days if they keep making scoring so easy that you barely have to try. I don't care about any of the above tbh because its players and owners chasing bucks. But football that's easy and lazy doesn't interest me. The game is interesting because it's hard, it's a challenge. You take out the challenge, remove the defense and make it soft for snowflakes because they whine for "more scoring" all day long, when then I'm probably done.

purplefaithful wrote:
Rough time to be a fan...

I dont know how they safely bring JJM along with such a Mash unit on the OL?

We were w/out Greenard and Gink last night for a while, but that D is just underperforming overall. Something aint right.  

Makes you question a lot when stuff goes to shit like this.

I was right there with you, checked out at the half. After 51 years I know this team better than KOC.

comet52 wrote:
Dialing back Thursday will never happen.  It's all about money in case you hadn't caught on.  Just like the 18 game schedule will be worse for player health and push the SB back to almost March but who cares because money!  And it will also be the doorway to putting teams in Europe and having everyone play at least one overseas game every year.  Might as well adapt because it's coming, just like a Bad Bunny halftime show whether you like it or not lol. 

Or quit the NFL, hell I don't care.  I'll probably quit it myself one of these days if they keep making scoring so easy that you barely have to try.  I don't care about any of the above tbh because its players and owners chasing bucks.  But football that's easy and lazy doesn't interest me.  The game is interesting because it's hard, it's a challenge.  You take out the challenge, remove the defense and make it soft for snowflakes because they whine for "more scoring" all day long, when then I'm probably done.

Yep, zero percent chance they get rid of thursday night games.  The more national games the more money they make.  I think we're closer to having Friday and Saturday night games, than we are to giving up Thursday night games.  Also it lets media companies bid for each different day.

Could also see them add a non-international 4th timeslot on every Sunday.

Thursday night’s Vikings loss was a humiliation, an unraveling.

This was the football equivalent of a prizefight where you’re almost begging the referee to end it.

The hard questions in the aftermath of the beatdown: https://t.co/zVmeFvPGB5

— Alec Lewis (@alec_lewis) October 24, 2025