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Thanks! Did it just start, have they scrimmaged yet

how did nightpractice go?

I'm curious too. With the time difference I was too late to watch. How did things (esp. JJ) look?
I was on Nleacher Report for a couple of minutes today and saw that they labeled JJ Mc. a "loser" in their training cap evals. I don't really give a s*** what they think but I was surprised. I know early on Defense usually outshines Offense. I'm assuming that is true here. I would trust my Vikefan brothers and sisters much more than anyone else's opinion- so anyone who has been watching TC feel free to jump in!

And why do I only have 65 posts listed??? Jeez.

Listening to Purple Insider now.  Seems the offense was pretty much crushed. No Jefferson, Darrisaw, Hockenson, or Kelly.  So McCarthy was facing our #1 D with Addison/Nailor/Lucky Jackson at WR, an OL of O'Neill/Fries/Jurgens/Jackson/Skule and Oliver at TE.  I don't need a psychic to tell me how that's going to end   :s

On the plus side was basically any defensive player you want to name, Coller hasn't mentioned any new injuries and Will Reichard made all his kicks  :rolleyes:

RS_Express wrote:
Listening to Purple Insider now.  Seems the offense was pretty much crushed. No Jefferson, Darrisaw, Hockenson, or Kelly.  So McCarthy was facing our #1 D with Addison/Nailor/Lucky Jackson at WR, an OL of O'Neill/Fries/Jurgens/Jackson/Skule and Oliver at TE.  I don't need a psychic to tell me how that's going to end   :s

On the plus side was basically any defensive player you want to name, Coller hasn't mentioned any new injuries and Will Reichard made all his kicks  :rolleyes:

JJ threw a TD to Addison.  Defense was without Allan and Harry I think.  But yeah, gonna be tough sledding with Skule and Jurgens starting.

StickierBuns wrote:
From what I read, the defensive line was absolutely dominating. JJ had both good and bad passes while under a ton of pressure, no Jefferson, Hock, Darrisaw or Ryan Kelly. Reichard didn't miss a kick. Running game looked good. Backup QBs looked not great, but there's non-stop pressure on the QBs.

IMO, at some point, you are going to have to call off the dogs on D a little bit in camp to get some stuff accomplished at QB. Or you're going to have a skittish QB who's not learning anything but chucking the ball a second after he gets it. As excited as I am about potentially having a really good defense, I've seen this in the past a bit in preseason and then game 1 it all disappears....my main concern is that the D-line is putting so much consistent pressure on the QB, the CBs are looking better than they really are. The O-line is still learning to gel, missing a 100% healthy Darrisaw and last night KOC sat the starting center to rest him. Its discombobulated currently. They'll get there, its still over a month until Game 1 in Chicago. And the O needs Hock and Jefferson back. But offenses are sluggish all over the NFL right now.

Learning and reps, learning and reps....keep piling up incremental improvement. Legit this team is talented. Excited for MNF.

JJ isn't the type of kid who is going to get easily rattled. It's going to make the regular season feel so much easier when he's not going against a top notch defense and he'll have these reps to fall back on when he does.

If everyone remembers back to last year, Darnold looked pretty crappy early in Training Camp. There were some rumblings he might not even be the Week 1 starter with how inconsistent he was for most of July and August. Then the regular season rolls around and we saw what happened. JJM is more physically talented than Darnold and has a better head on his shoulders.

He'll be fine. Don't fret guys... as Sticky says "He's the ONE".

Trust.

BOOM

StickierBuns wrote:
From what I read, the defensive line was absolutely dominating. JJ had both good and bad passes while under a ton of pressure, no Jefferson, Hock, Darrisaw or Ryan Kelly. Reichard didn't miss a kick. Running game looked good. Backup QBs looked not great, but there's non-stop pressure on the QBs.

IMO, at some point, you are going to have to call off the dogs on D a little bit in camp to get some stuff accomplished at QB. Or you're going to have a skittish QB who's not learning anything but chucking the ball a second after he gets it. As excited as I am about potentially having a really good defense, I've seen this in the past a bit in preseason and then game 1 it all disappears....my main concern is that the D-line is putting so much consistent pressure on the QB, the CBs are looking better than they really are. The O-line is still learning to gel, missing a 100% healthy Darrisaw and last night KOC sat the starting center to rest him. Its discombobulated currently. They'll get there, its still over a month until Game 1 in Chicago. And the O needs Hock and Jefferson back. But offenses are sluggish all over the NFL right now.

Learning and reps, learning and reps....keep piling up incremental improvement. Legit this team is talented. Excited for MNF.

They already do this. In the many practice highlights I've seen, you can tell the pass rush isn't going full speed. I'm sure this is meant to allow the offense to get the work done they need. But at some point, you've got to expose the offense to live bullets and I think that's what we saw last night. They'll see more and more of that in the coming weeks with Houston and New England. I think with each one, JJ will get more and more comfortable.

Fox 9 said they couldn't film the practice except the part where they were just doing drills, so I didn't see anything.
I think the key is getting the starting line healthy enough to get some time together before game 1. JJ will be learning with ups and downs as expected for an inexperienced QB. But no QB is going to play well until the O-line gets its sh_t together.

StickierBuns wrote:
From what I read, the defensive line was absolutely dominating. JJ had both good and bad passes while under a ton of pressure, no Jefferson, Hock, Darrisaw or Ryan Kelly. Reichard didn't miss a kick. Running game looked good. Backup QBs looked not great, but there's non-stop pressure on the QBs.

IMO, at some point, you are going to have to call off the dogs on D a little bit in camp to get some stuff accomplished at QB. Or you're going to have a skittish QB who's not learning anything but chucking the ball a second after he gets it. As excited as I am about potentially having a really good defense, I've seen this in the past a bit in preseason and then game 1 it all disappears....my main concern is that the D-line is putting so much consistent pressure on the QB, the CBs are looking better than they really are. The O-line is still learning to gel, missing a 100% healthy Darrisaw and last night KOC sat the starting center to rest him. Its discombobulated currently. They'll get there, its still over a month until Game 1 in Chicago. And the O needs Hock and Jefferson back. But offenses are sluggish all over the NFL right now.

Learning and reps, learning and reps....keep piling up incremental improvement. Legit this team is talented. Excited for MNF.

I watched a little of the scrimmage coverage last night and they added a little bit of background on why the Defense is always ahead.  The OC installs plays in a sequence over time so the Defensive Coordinator knows exactly the entirety of the plays that have been installed to date.  It makes it easier to defend if you know what the limitations are to the Offense.  The Defensive Coordinator also usually knows what plays are being installed at each practice and in some cases...in what order.  Again, it makes it much easier to defend.  Combine that with an Offense without JJ and two linemen just getting their game legs under them...makes it tough for the Offense in early reps.  Once the Offense gets more of the playbook installed and the key players back in and up to speed...it evens the playing field.

hogjowlsjohnny wrote:
Fox 9 said they couldn't film the practice except the part where they were just doing drills, so I didn't see anything. I think the key is getting the starting line healthy enough to get some time together before game 1. JJ will be learning with ups and downs as expected for an inexperienced QB. But no QB is going to play well until the O-line gets its sh_t together.

Was wondering about that. Started watching, then had family stuff come up. When I came back it was over.

On a positive note from last night: Reichard went 6 for 6. Makes from 33, 40, 45, 46, 49, 51.

MAD GAINZ wrote:
JJ isn't the type of kid who is going to get easily rattled.  It's going to make the regular season feel so much easier when he's not going against a top notch defense and he'll have these reps to fall back on when he does.

If everyone remembers back to last year, Darnold looked pretty crappy early in Training Camp.  There were some rumblings he might not even be the Week 1 starter with how inconsistent he was for most of July and August.  Then the regular season rolls around and we saw what happened.  JJM is more physically talented than Darnold and has a better head on his shoulders.

He'll be fine.  Don't fret guys...  as Sticky says "He's the ONE".

Trust.

BOOM

While I appreciate a homer take as much as another, the reason everyone questions him so much is that his college team overpowered everyone such that he wasn't put under real pressure.  Most games he probably played a half of football and then they just ran the ball the second half while playing with a lead.

I also don't think a training camp fleeing from Flores's defense is really going to help that much when looking at a more conventional defense.  Flores's defense is so tricky for most QB's because it looks so different than what they're used to.

I do trust KOC to make sure JJM gets what he needs though.

JJM is not a rookie who is a complete unknown. He was having a strong camp last year and there was some talk about him possibly starting. He had a chance to play a pre season game at home and looked really good. He spent the season involved in the team meetings and game preps and was involved on the sidelines. There have been multiple reports from coaches, players and media that he has an extremely strong and accurate arm and displays amazing leadership. He is ready to take over at QB and is going to show it.

JR44 wrote:
JJM is not a rookie who is a complete unknown.  He was having a strong camp last year and there was some talk about him possibly starting.  He had a chance to play a pre season game at home and looked really good.  He spent the season involved in the team meetings and game preps and was involved on the sidelines.  There have been multiple reports from coaches, players and media that he has an extremely strong and accurate arm and displays amazing leadership.  He is ready to take over at QB and is going to show it.

In 7s, he looks great. Arm strength and accuracy are next level. He's getting better at layering. But the test of every young QB comes when he's under pressure. Does he take off too early, too often? Does he hold the ball too long? Does he make bad decisions? I think we saw a little bit of all of that against Flores last night. 

So I think this is a good place to remind ourselves what he did against a more standard, non-Flores defense. Not perfect, but he eludes the rush well, steps up in the pocket, and the ball placement is just beautiful on most of these passes. And remember, the Raiders were playing their starters.