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pattersaur wrote:

Not to be a jerk, but what does good teams trading away good players have to do with Jalen Nailor?

If Felton looks the part then yes absolutely trade Nailor for any pittance we can get.

You don't think Jalen Nailor is a good player?

JustInTime wrote:
I think we’d get more for Nailor in FA than via a trade. We do potentially have a pretty crowded WR room so anything is possible. 

Felton is intriguing but as I’ve stated before a guy like Tuten could have provided help at a position of higher need. But, the 26 RB class has some interesting prospects but definitely not the quantity, at least at first blush.

Felton has 6 career KR and another 2 PR.

in fairness,  Felton was likely never the #4 or lower receiver on his roster,  he was likely the 1 or 2 and typically  you dont expose those guys to special teams.  I dont know,  I am just speculating.  Lack of use maybe doesnt indicate ability in this case.

Thanks to his special teams background, his value can be made up for as a middle-to-bottom wide receiver room contributor. He boasts nearly 300 career special teams snaps, but he’s not an attractive kick coverage player, and he would need to earn a kick return role with his new team. Felton returned eight kicks in three seasons at Maryland.

He played a lot of ST, just not as a returner.

MaroonBells wrote:

You don't think Jalen Nailor is a good player?

Much closer to a roster clogger than a good player imo. If Rondale Moore is ready to go it'll be interesting to see what happens.

pattersaur wrote:

Much closer to a roster clogger than a good player imo. If Rondale Moore is ready to go it'll be interesting to see what happens.

Nailor is a better receiver than Rondale Moore IMO.  Rondale is a gadget guy (ADoT is like 2 yds) and hurt a lot.  I think we brought him in to be a Brandon Powell type who plays a little from the slot, hits the jet sweep, and catches some screens.  I doubt he sees the field much unless our top guys miss time.

MAD GAINZ wrote:

Nailor is a better receiver than Rondale Moore IMO.  Rondale is a gadget guy (ADoT is like 2 yds) and hurt a lot.  I think we brought him in to be a Brandon Powell type who plays a little from the slot, hits the jet sweep, and catches some screens.  I doubt he sees the field much unless our top guys miss time.

You may be right. Another slant would be they're trying Moore. They tried Reagor (twice, I think). They've been bargain binning the gadget role for sure, but it seems like the team is looking for something that they haven't yet found. Maybe Felton who knows.

Anyways yes Jalen Nailor is in the NFL everyone-- He's GOOD. But if you were to ask most Vikings fans who the good players on the team are, you'd have to go pretty darn far down the Family Feud board to find him. That's all I'm saying. If he's gone before the season one way or another I would not be shocked.

pattersaur wrote:

You may be right. Another slant would be they're trying Moore. They tried Reagor (twice, I think). They've been bargain binning the gadget role for sure, but it seems like the team is looking for something that they haven't yet found. Maybe Felton who knows.

Anyways yes Jalen Nailor is in the NFL everyone-- He's GOOD. But if you were to ask most Vikings fans who the good players on the team are, you'd have to go pretty darn far down the Family Feud board to find him. That's all I'm saying. If he's gone before the season one way or another I would not be shocked.

Nailor is safe IMO,  he is the back up plan to Addison either getting a suspension from his current mess,  or fucking up again and being gone for sure.

pattersaur wrote:

You may be right. Another slant would be they're trying Moore. They tried Reagor (twice, I think). They've been bargain binning the gadget role for sure, but it seems like the team is looking for something that they haven't yet found. Maybe Felton who knows.

Anyways yes Jalen Nailor is in the NFL everyone-- He's GOOD. But if you were to ask most Vikings fans who the good players on the team are, you'd have to go pretty darn far down the Family Feud board to find him. That's all I'm saying. If he's gone before the season one way or another I would not be shocked.

100% agree.  He's a good WR3, especially in this offense.  Not sure he's anything more than that.  If we traded him, we probably wouldn't get more than a late Day 3 pick at most.  I think he's firmly entrenched as our #3 guy and then you have Felton, Moore, and a couple UDFA guys from last year and this year fighting it out for the last 2-3 spots in the WR room.

pattersaur wrote:

Much closer to a roster clogger than a good player imo. If Rondale Moore is ready to go it'll be interesting to see what happens.

I'm a lot higher on Nailor than you are. In his first year healthy since being drafted, he caught 28 passes for 400 yards and 6 TDs. Those are WR2 numbers for a lot of teams. He also scores very high in Average Separation Score and Passer Rating When Targeted, which typically means he would do well in a bigger role. If Addison is suspended, it will be Nailor who gets those snaps. He's the biggest reason I'm not overly concerned about it.

MaroonBells wrote:

I'm a lot higher on Nailor than you are. In his first year healthy since being drafted, he caught 28 passes for 400 yards and 6 TDs. Those are WR2 numbers for a lot of teams. He also scores very high in Average Separation Score and Passer Rating When Targeted, which typically means he would do well in a bigger role. If Addison is suspended, it will be Nailor who gets those snaps. He's the biggest reason I'm not overly concerned about it.

I think people are looking at his production and forgetting that he has the #1 WR in the league on the field with him,  as well as a top 30 WR in Addison, and a top 10 pass catching TE in Hock,  as well as a RB out of the back field that typically is a pass catcher,  and historically speaking an IOL that doesnt give a QB more than a 2 Mississippi to get rid of the damn ball,  so if he is the 4th or 5th read... the QB isnt likely even getting to him as more often than not either JJ or JA are open and if not then Hock is likely in a favorable matchup.

3 weeks until training camp, lol....it came fast (that's what she said). Oh the anticipation....

JimmyinSD wrote:

I think people are looking at his production and forgetting that he has the #1 WR in the league on the field with him,  as well as a top 30 WR in Addison, and a top 10 pass catching TE in Hock,  as well as a RB out of the back field that typically is a pass catcher,  and historically speaking an IOL that doesnt give a QB more than a 2 Mississippi to get rid of the damn ball,  so if he is the 4th or 5th read... the QB isnt likely even getting to him as more often than not either JJ or JA are open and if not then Hock is likely in a favorable matchup.

400 yds is not WR2 numbers for most if not all NFL teams these days. And I don’t think anyone is forgetting Justin Jefferson is on the Vikings :P .

3 weeks!!!! Or is it 2.5 now…!

StickierBuns wrote:
3 weeks until training camp, lol....it came fast (that's what she said). Oh the anticipation....

It seems like a month ago it was 24/7 draft prep.

pattersaur wrote:

400 yds is not WR2 numbers for most if not all NFL teams these days. And I don’t think anyone is forgetting Justin Jefferson is on the Vikings :P .

3 weeks!!!! Or is it 2.5 now…!

he would have a shit load more yards if he wasnt behind JJ and JA IMO,  so while he may not be a WR2,  he is IMO very unlikely to be cut or traded.

pattersaur wrote:

400 yds is not WR2 numbers for most if not all NFL teams these days. And I don’t think anyone is forgetting Justin Jefferson is on the Vikings :P .

3 weeks!!!! Or is it 2.5 now…!

You're leaving off the TDs. No, his yards were definitely not WR2 worthy. But his 6 TDs definitely were. Like I mentioned before he made the most of his opportunities. That's reflected in his TD%, his 1st down % and his passer rating when targeted. In fact, his 6 TDs ranks 28th among WRs, so now we're in WR1 territory. 

No I don't think he's a WR1. All I'm saying is that there are some metrics that suggest that if you expanded his role, here or on another team, he would likely respond very well.

pattersaur wrote:

400 yds is not WR2 numbers for most if not all NFL teams these days. And I don’t think anyone is forgetting Justin Jefferson is on the Vikings :P .

3 weeks!!!! Or is it 2.5 now…!

He is behind Jefferson and Addison. Tough company. Getting 400 yards is quite the feat. 6 TDs is a lot for a 3 WR and that in itself makes him a great option at #2 on most teams not named the Vikings and Bengals. If Nailor went to another team, he would get a bigger role and his production in theory should reflect just that.

*Disclaimer - Just saw MBs post after I posted mine. What he said lol

7 career TDs so we should extrapolate that with more targets, he’s a red zone machine! Some of you are sipping too much Kool Aid in my humble opinion. All of the same, “if he had a bigger role” stuff was said about Alexander Mattison and KJ Osborne and many others. I was hype on Nailor’s potential as a late round pick initially but at this point, to me, he’s just another guy on the team. If I’m wrong well I will still be here and we can find out and laugh at me together.

Maybe the fact he's nicknamed Speedy but is like our slowest receiver has clouded my judgment.

pattersaur wrote:
7 career TDs so we should extrapolate that with more targets, he’s a red zone machine! Some of you are sipping too much Kool Aid in my humble opinion. All of the same, “if he had a bigger role” stuff was said about Alexander Mattison and KJ Osborne and many others. I was hype on Nailor’s potential as a late round pick initially but at this point, to me, he’s just another guy on the team. If I’m wrong well I will still be here and we can find out and laugh at me together.

Maybe the fact he's nicknamed Speedy but is like our slowest receiver has clouded my judgment.

Getting excited about late round bottom of the roster guys is a fan tradition. Like saying Tai Felton was drafted to replace Jordan Addison. It's good entertainment, even though it's patently ridiculous.

C'mon now!

When did hope become something to be ridiculed?

It's integral to being a fan isnt it?

HOPE is to cherish a desire with anticipation

StickierBuns wrote:

How many WR2s in the NFL do you think are 1st round draft picks? Its usually 2nd round or later. Tee Higgins (2nd round), Puka Nacua (5th round), AJ Brown (2nd round), Amon Ra St Brown (4th round), Jayden Reed (2nd round), etc. just to name a few....there are a lot more. I don't see why a 3rd round draft pick would be that crazy unusual for a NFL WR2 potentially.

Well yeah anything's possible. But I like to instead think about what's probable. This team hasn't said it's replacing Addison, who is worlds of talent beyond Felton, an overdrafted (IMO) 3rd rounder. They may sign Addison to a big extension and be happy to have JJM throwing to the best 1/2 combo in the league. That's what I would do.

And realistically the third target on this team is Hockenson. I expect Nailor to head to free agency given a chance, cuz if he really is the potential WR2 that people here keep claiming, he should certainly want to go get many millions more for that than he can get mostly riding pine in purple, right? Then maybe Felton, who they said specifically they drafted to return kicks, will have a shot at WR3 aka Target4.

But in the end I don't think it's that important an issue aka who are the bottom tier targets on a team with Jefferson and Addison and Hockenson. Maybe draft a guy whose name ends in "son", then I'll be a believer in his amazing future in purple. ;)