Biggest Draft Karma Known To Man

StickierBuns wrote:
You can get dizzy in a second chasing all the Draft information out there on the Internet. I think every scenario, for every top 150 player, going to every team has been covered. How many thousands of people put out mock drafts or 'draft guides'?

I think I'm ready for the Draft, lol. But back to Williams: he really does indeed seem like a Cordarelle Patterson type.

With the ball in his hands you definitely see Patterson.  But the intermediate stuff, the catch point, contested catches, stacking guys, I see a slightly bigger T.O. Definitely a WR/RB hybrid. I’ve seen a couple guys move him to RB. How do you watch him and say he’s got bad hands? I’m putting his drops on concentration and some bad QB play.

Louisville DT Thor Griffith:

• 84.3 PFF grade in 2024
• 84.0 run defense grade
• FCS All-American at Harvard
• Above-average run stop, pass rush win rate
• 4.95 40-yard dash at 320 pounds, 42 bench reps

Why are people not talking about him more? pic.twitter.com/HevIWe64s5

— Jacob Infante (@jacobinfante24) April 6, 2025

And in second place…

WR/RB Hybrid...

Younger, bigger, stronger Deebo...I'd sign up for that.

purplefaithful wrote:
WR/RB Hybrid...

Younger, bigger, stronger Deebo...I'd sign up for that.

Imagine coming out in 12 personnel. Pretty heavy run indicator. Williams is the RB. Pre snap you motion him out and flex Hock to the slot if not wider. Now you're 4 wide and the D is in more of a run D personnel package. Timeout? Cover Hock with a LB? You have to double Jefferson.

As a WR with the height and athleticism, reminds me a little of Sidney Rice, has been some time since we have had a big WR who can go up and get it, I would like to see us get a bigger WR to compliment the current mix, other than Jefferson at 6'1" the rest of the group is under 6'.

JustInTime wrote:

Imagine coming out in 12 personnel. Pretty heavy run indicator. Williams is the RB. Pre snap you motion him out and flex Hock to the slot if not wider. Now you're 4 wide and the D is in more of a run D personnel package. Timeout? Cover Hock with a LB? You have to double Jefferson.

One of the shames of the Patterson era is that we didn't do much of this with him, or even running routes out of the backfield.

medaille wrote:

One of the shames of the Patterson era is that we didn't do much of this with him, or even running routes out of the backfield.

Yup. Musgrave was the only one willing to get him touches. This guy you can easily use as a traditional WR if you want. Or you could line him up as a traditional RB.

Depends on so many things. DK Metcalf should be the best WR in the league then. But so much more goes into being a WR, so the skinny 6'1" kid blows everyone away.

Why, because he can run routes, DBs can't read where he is going. Same with Thielen. Same with Diggs. Being able to run routes and disguise them makes them uncoverable. A big dude that can simply run fast isn't much of a threat in the NFL.

greediron wrote:
Depends on so many things.  DK Metcalf should be the best WR in the league then.  But so much more goes into being a WR, so the skinny 6'1" kid blows everyone away.

Why, because he can run routes, DBs can't read where he is going.  Same with Thielen.  Same with Diggs.  Being able to run routes and disguise them makes them uncoverable.  A big dude that can simply run fast isn't much of a threat in the NFL.

I see a little more than a big guy who can run fast. I see a big guy who moves like a small guy. I see a guy who provides traits that no one on the roster has. I see a chess piece that will cause issues for DCs. I see multi position versatility. 

I think McCardell could probably get him to run crisper routes. He doesn’t have to teach him to be a mismatch.

Patterson was a big guy who moved like a smaller guy. But his "best" years were as a RB. Several reasons, but likely that was the peak of his learning curve. Harvin never amounted to much for the same reason.

Yeah, if he could learn to run crisp routes, he could be a monster. Same with Metcalf. But for some reason, guys like Thielen, JJ, Diggs (minus the mental breakdown) have thrived at WR while other, bigger guys haven't. Megatron was one of the few exceptions.

Does this guy have a Wonderlic worth a damn?

I think that and drive to get better may be a good indicator.

greediron wrote:
Depends on so many things.  DK Metcalf should be the best WR in the league then.  But so much more goes into being a WR, so the skinny 6'1" kid blows everyone away.

Why, because he can run routes, DBs can't read where he is going.  Same with Thielen.  Same with Diggs.  Being able to run routes and disguise them makes them uncoverable.  A big dude that can simply run fast isn't much of a threat in the NFL.

I completely agree with you that height/weight/speed is way overrated and route running is way underrated. It's why I liked Diggs in 2015 and why I had Jefferson at the top of my WR rankings in 2020. They weren't the biggest; they weren't the fastest, but they both had great feet and were very good route runners. 

But you're selling Williams short by describing him simply as a big guy who can run fast. Watch his clips. I've never seen feet like that on a player that size. Ever. Doesn't mean he can play in the NFL, but I don't think the NFL has seen a player quite like this. Closest would be Cordarrelle Patterson...and even Patterson didn't have feet like this.

greediron wrote:
Patterson was a big guy who moved like a smaller guy.  But his "best" years were as a RB.  Several reasons, but likely that was the peak of his learning curve.  Harvin never amounted to much for the same reason.

Yeah, if he could learn to run crisp routes, he could be a monster.  Same with Metcalf. But for some reason, guys like Thielen, JJ, Diggs (minus the mental breakdown) have thrived at WR while other, bigger guys haven't.  Megatron was one of the few exceptions.

I don’t think ever caught a contested ball let alone 75% of them. The comparison ends at movement skills.

JustInTime wrote:

I don’t think ever caught a contested ball let alone 75% of them. The comparison ends at movement skills.

Not quite sure what you are getting at.  But I will be excited if Chicago wastes a high pick on him.

greediron wrote:

Not quite sure what you are getting at.  But I will be excited if Chicago wastes a high pick on him.

Typed too fast.

I don’t think PATTERSON ever caught a contested pass let alone 75% of them.

JustInTime wrote:

Typed too fast.

I don’t think PATTERSON ever caught a contested pass let alone 75% of them.

I was shocked to see he was still in the league. I think with The Ravens?

I'm still not sure if he can spell his first name correctly...

purplefaithful wrote:

I was shocked to see he was still in the league. I think with The Ravens?

I'm still not sure if he can spell his first name correctly...

He spent 24 with the Steelers. Not sure if he has a home for 25.

greediron wrote:

Not quite sure what you are getting at.  But I will be excited if Chicago wastes a high pick on him.

I agree, I won't be at all nervous if he goes to Chicago. I just see him as the type of player that has so many things going for him, but he will never be able to put it all together. Give me Kyle Williams all day. Savion is a hell of a talent; I didn't like or want DK as well coming out. Let another team waste their time on the kid.

Fifth-year senior with alignment versatility and home run potential. Williams will never be tabbed as “sure-handed” but he can separate deep and create big plays, which could make the catch issues easier to swallow. He eliminates pursuit angles as a catch-and-run artist and gets respectful cushions, allowing for easy comeback throws. His lack of route-running fundamentals limit his tree, but that should be correctable with work. Williams' subpar hands lower his floor, but teams looking to add a playmaker could have him queued up as a future WR3.

Sounds like Troy Williamson to me…

Williams is one of the fastest-rising wide receivers in this year’s draft class, having caught the attention of scouts with a strong showing at the Senior Bowl. He’s currently projected as a Day 2 pick and could be a realistic target for the Jets at either No. 42 or No. 73 overall. Williams is one of the fastest-rising wide receivers in this year’s draft class, having caught the attention of scouts with a strong showing at the Senior Bowl. He’s currently projected as a Day 2 pick and could be a realistic target for the Jets at either No. 42 or No. 73 overall. At 5-foot-11, 190 pounds, Williams posted a speedy 4.40 40-yard dash at the NFL Combine, solidifying his claim as one of the best deep threats in this draft class.

Williams is a dynamic deep threat who consistently finds ways to separate and create big plays downfield. His long speed makes him a constant vertical threat, but it's not just his speed that makes him dangerous.

Williams pairs that with excellent ball tracking ability, particularly on deep throws. He finished 7-of-9 on contested catch opportunities of 20-plus yards in 2024, showcasing his ability to locate, adjust, and win in tight coverage down the field.

Williams was a do-it-all man for the Cougars when it came to alignment, pre-snap motion, and schemed-up touches to go along with his route tree. Capable of expanding his release package, he has quick feet with manipulation to open cornerbacks where he wants to and release in the opposite direction, creating early separation. When faced with press alignment, well-timed jams have proven effective to slow him down, but he flashed hand usage and body movement to avoid strikes and stack vertically. He’s deceptively quick in accelerating upfield due to his long strides, but he covers ground quickly and forces corners into penalties. In his route stem, Williams uses well-timed manipulation tactics with intention and vertical sell, moving corners around and decelerating to change direction.

He’s a good athlete at the catch point to make contested grabs with well-timed jumps and tracking the football, but contact at the catch point produced mixed results. Williams could come back to the quarterback more frequently instead of stopping at the end of his route, but shows a good understanding of finding soft spots in zone and sitting down. After the catch, he takes advantage of good angles and his acceleration reduces good angles taken by pursuit defenders to arm tackles. He runs with a physical nature and good contact balance after the catch with the ability to break arm tackles and grind out yards.

Williams is a great athlete with surprising nuance to his route tree who suffered from poor quarterback play or his season could have been even bigger in 2024. He projects as an alignment-versatile receiver with an ability to win on the outside who is very intriguing for NFL success.

Comes into the NFL with one of the best accelerations and top-end speeds immediately. There is no question that coordinators will have to game-plan for him quickly.

-He reaches top speed in just a few steps and he can blow past everyone on short passes.
-Has a fairly good release off the line where he avoids contact well. Most cornerbacks play many yards off of him, where he can abuse it on short routes.
-He plays way faster than his listed 4.40 40-yard dash time. It looks a lot closer to 4.30, but he likely bulked up for the combine.
-Excellent at running slants, curls, and deep routes. He will create insane amounts of separation quickly.
-He is the best receiver in this class on screen passes and can take it to the house any time he touches the ball.
-He is a YAC monster that wins with speed. Almost half of his yards were after the catch (590).
-Has a surprising number of broken tackles where no one can hit him well.
-Shows good ball tracking ability downfield and never looks out of place.
-Excellent ability to pluck the ball out of the air when in motion

No, Kyle Williams does not remind me of Williamson.

The route tree isn’t particularly diverse for Williams, but the movement skills suggest that there’s the required growth potential to become a more complete receiver. Nearly a quarter of his routes this season were “go’s,” and when you build out his top three most frequent routes (go’s, hitches, and out route), he’s sitting at more than 52 percent of all routes run. The precision on hard-angled breaks must improve to cut down on angles for defenders to drive and attack the football.

Limited route tree, bad hands, short arms, no ability to contest 50/50 balls…all day this guy is Troy Williamson…

Weaknesses
Routes feature excessive vertical drift out of breaks.
Inefficient footwork getting into route stem.
Lacks the frame and strength for contested catches.
Below-average catch technique and hand-eye coordination.
Allows the throw to get right on top of him.

That last point just screams Troy Williamson.