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Will Johnson will miss the Michigan pro day with a still tweaked hamstring. There's whispers of his draft stock dropping before this latest piece of bad news. I've got to think he's in play at 24. Started off this draft cycle as a likely top ten CB2 prospect. 

The rest of Michigan's pro day hopefully will feature something looking like Bruce Feldman's freaks list. Ill be interested in Graham's weight as he apparently cut weight for the Combine but couldn't run or drill due to a heel bruise. I'm guessing high 4.8s for him and sub 5 for Grant.

I wish we had a spot for Landon Jackson. Absolutely terrorised during the Senior Bowl game. An Edge with a 1.71 split is considered elite. He went 1.69. Seriously undervalued guy right now. 

With KOC favorite Johnny Mundt off to Jax, TE late seems to be an option. Not a bad year to want a TE. There are a couple big WR types that I would avod. Could be deep enough to grab a guy as a priority UDFA.

Speaking of UDFA, I fully expect Kwesi to pull out the checkbook again and tap into what will likely be a class heavy in undrafted RB talent. JCM and Efron Chism could be a couple excellent gets in Day 4. 

Someone will do something stupid in the top 10. Happens every year. My guess is someone over values Jason Dart big time. NYG is my guess.

“Hell is empty and all the devils are here”

Shakespeare 

#1 · Mar 18, 3:15 AM
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Jaxon Dart going top 10... I could see it, but that doesn't mean it should happen. I don't feel any QB from this draft deserve going top 10.

If Will Johnson or Barron are there at 24, I have to think they will be the pick for us.

#2 · Mar 18, 3:20 AM
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JustInTime wrote:
Will Johnson will miss the Michigan pro day with a still tweaked hamstring. There's whispers of his draft stock dropping before this latest piece of bad news. I've got to think he's in play at 24. Started off this draft cycle as a likely top ten CB2 prospect. 

The rest of Michigan's pro day hopefully will feature something looking like Bruce Feldman's freaks list. Ill be interested in Graham's weight as he apparently cut weight for the Combine but couldn't run or drill due to a heel bruise. I'm guessing high 4.8s for him and sub 5 for Grant.

I wish we had a spot for Landon Jackson. Absolutely terrorised during the Senior Bowl game. An Edge with a 1.71 split is considered elite. He went 1.69. Seriously undervalued guy right now. 

With KOC favorite Johnny Mundt off to Jax, TE late seems to be an option. Not a bad year to want a TE. There are a couple big WR types that I would avod. Could be deep enough to grab a guy as a priority UDFA.

Speaking of UDFA, I fully expect Kwesi to pull out the checkbook again and tap into what will likely be a class heavy in undrafted RB talent. JCM and Efron Chism could be a couple excellent gets in Day 4. 

Someone will do something stupid in the top 10. Happens every year. My guess is someone over values Jason Dart big time. NYG is my guess.

I've been adding TE to my mocks in the later rounds. We lost both Mundt and Muse. Hock and Oliver are the only TEs on the roster. Assuming we add more picks, I can see us taking one on day three.

#3 · Mar 18, 3:35 AM
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JustInTimeWill Johnson will miss the Michigan pro day with a still tweaked hamstring. There's whispers of his draft stock dropping before this latest piece of bad news. I've got to think he's in play at 24. Started off this draft cycle as a likely top ten CB2 prospect. 

The rest of Michigan's pro day hopefully will feature something looking like Bruce Feldman's freaks list. Ill be interested in Graham's weight as he apparently cut weight for the Combine but couldn't run or drill due to a heel bruise. I'm guessing high 4.8s for him and sub 5 for Grant.

I wish we had a spot for Landon Jackson. Absolutely terrorised during the Senior Bowl game. An Edge with a 1.71 split is considered elite. He went 1.69. Seriously undervalued guy right now. 

With KOC favorite Johnny Mundt off to Jax, TE late seems to be an option. Not a bad year to want a TE. There are a couple big WR types that I would avod. Could be deep enough to grab a guy as a priority UDFA.

Speaking of UDFA, I fully expect Kwesi to pull out the checkbook again and tap into what will likely be a class heavy in undrafted RB talent. JCM and Efron Chism could be a couple excellent gets in Day 4. 

Someone will do something stupid in the top 10. Happens every year. My guess is someone over values Jason Dart big time. NYG is my guess.

Amen, brother.  As predictable as the sun rising in the East.

MaroonBells wrote:

I've been adding TE to my mocks in the later rounds. We lost both Mundt and Muse. Hock and Oliver are the only TEs on the roster. Assuming we add more picks, I can see us taking one on day three.

Losing both Muse and Mundt at the same time pretty much points to a TE, I agree.
They were both pretty reliable, both with better hands than Oliver, it seemed.

edited Mar 18, 2025 3:46 AM
#4 · Mar 18, 3:45 AM
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MaroonBells wrote:

I've been adding TE to my mocks in the later rounds. We lost both Mundt and Muse. Hock and Oliver are the only TEs on the roster. Assuming we add more picks, I can see us taking one on day three.

I think an H-Back type would be perfect. Open up Ham’s spot

“Hell is empty and all the devils are here”

Shakespeare 

#5 · Mar 18, 3:51 AM
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More of a TE comment than pre draft, but I noticed Tyler Conklin is an available free agent. A year younger than Mundt. I remember Conklin as being a pretty good TE.

edited Mar 18, 2025 6:59 AM
#6 · Mar 18, 4:33 AM
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NorseFeathers wrote:
More of a TE comment than pre draft, but I noticed Tyler Conklin is an available free agent market. A year younger than Mundt. I remember Conklin as being a pretty good TE.

That would not be a bad get.

“Hell is empty and all the devils are here”

Shakespeare 

#7 · Mar 18, 4:35 AM
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Will Johnson is getting dinged for having short arms and being a gambler. He guesses right a lot of times, but that's a style that might not serve him well at the next level

#8 · Mar 18, 4:40 AM
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NorseFeathers wrote:
More of a TE comment than pre draft, but I noticed Tyler Conklin is an available free agent market. A year younger than Mundt. I remember Conklin as being a pretty good TE.

Conklin might cost more than we'd want to spend, but he would be a great addition. He's a good pass blocker too. All we need is a capable 3rd TE who could start in a pinch. A late round pick or a low-tier free agent should suffice.

#9 · Mar 18, 5:19 AM
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StickierBuns wrote:
If Will Johnson slides, which I can't even imagine he'd be there at #24, you run full blast, tripping and crying the whole way to get his name to the podium. He's going to rock in the NFL. Amazing athlete and full of dawg in him.

I cant imagine him or Barron there at 24. 

I think the value for the spot will be DT, RB, S or trade-down. 

Unless they REALLY like one of the tail-backs, my $ is on Emmanwori or Harmon being the pick (if they stay put).

Hurry-up Vikings, we ain't getting any younger! 

#10 · Mar 18, 6:13 AM
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Tar Heel fan here, no Omarion Hampton please, at least at 24. He's a damn good rb but he's a power runner with athleticism. He wasn't asked to pass block much in college, but he should have been. Tar Heel offensive line stunk. Hampton is basically the same runner, and same size, as Jordan Mason. Maybe Hampton is better, but maybe not. If that's the pick ... trade back.

#11 · Mar 18, 6:22 AM
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StickierBuns wrote:
If Will Johnson slides, which I can't even imagine he'd be there at #24, you run full blast, tripping and crying the whole way to get his name to the podium. He's going to rock in the NFL. Amazing athlete and full of dawg in him.

Him or Barron possibly being available at 24 is unfathomable to me. Once Barron balled out vs OSU I put that one on the back burner. Johnson I never even bothered looking into because it just wasn’t happening. 

purplefaithful wrote:

I cant imagine him or Barron there at 24. 

I think the value for the spot will be DT, RB, S or trade-down. 

Unless they REALLY like one of the tail-backs, my $ is on Emmanwori or Harmon being the pick (if they stay put).

Emmanwori is intriguing to me. That SoCar D was just nuts. I’m assuming he’d take over Mettelus’ role after Hitman retires in the worst case scenario. Situational mix and match starter depending on the O we face. Wanna spy a QB? 3rd down dime backer? Big nickel? ST demon? Doesn’t take much to think Daniels and BFlo would want this guy bad.

Harmon is probably my favorite pick at 24. 4i in base or NT in passing downs. Drops the age of the iDL room.

edited Mar 18, 2025 6:58 AM

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#12 · Mar 18, 6:47 AM
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One of my other favorite prospects this season is Jonah Monheim. Had a great Senior Bowl week and game. Very smooth mover, excellent size, and massive position flexibility. He could win LG and then slide to C once Kelly hangs them up. You could also put him in at LT until Darrisaw returns.

11 draft day trades under Kwesi. If your mock doesn’t have at least 2 trades you’re not paying attention. As I’ve mentioned before, if I’m a GM without a contract I’m gonna at least entertain swinging for the fences. 

If Hunter gets past 3 I’m dialing. Instant CB1 and legit WR3. 80-90 snaps a game and he probably doesn’t even break a sweat. 

If Jeanty gets past 6 I’m dialing. DCs would get to choose between bringing a S up in run support exposing themselves to heavy doses of Jefferson and Addison OR playing two deep and watch our revamped OL open holes for a more north and south Barry Sanders. Either way you’re fucked. Like tantric sex fucked.

“Hell is empty and all the devils are here”

Shakespeare 

#13 · Mar 20, 3:28 AM
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JustInTime wrote:
One of my other favorite prospects this season is Jonah Monheim. Had a great Senior Bowl week and game. Very smooth mover, excellent size, and massive position flexibility. He could win LG and then slide to C once Kelly hangs them up. You could also put him in at LT until Darrisaw returns.

11 draft day trades under Kwesi. If your mock doesn’t have at least 2 trades you’re not paying attention. As I’ve mentioned before, if I’m a GM without a contract I’m gonna at least entertain swinging for the fences. 

If Hunter gets past 3 I’m dialing. Instant CB1 and legit WR3. 80-90 snaps a game and he probably doesn’t even break a sweat. 

If Jeanty gets past 6 I’m dialing. DCs would get to choose between bringing a S up in run support exposing themselves to heavy doses of Jefferson and Addison OR playing two deep and watch our revamped OL open holes for a more north and south Barry Sanders. Either way you’re fucked. Like tantric sex fucked.

TE Luke Lachey may be able to be had late.  He had a bad senior season and has been oft-injured the last two years.  However, he has a size / speed combo that makes him quite attractive.  His blocking needs a little work, but I think he's got it in him to kind of blossom over the next couple of years.  Definite take late if there.

#14 · Mar 20, 3:41 AM
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Waterboy wrote:

TE Luke Lachey may be able to be had late.  He had a bad senior season and has been oft-injured the last two years.  However, he has a size / speed combo that makes him quite attractive.  His blocking needs a little work, but I think he's got it in him to kind of blossom over the next couple of years.  Definite take late if there.

Only a fool says no to an Iowa TE. Probably a priority UDFA or 7th.

“Hell is empty and all the devils are here”

Shakespeare 

#15 · Mar 20, 3:47 AM
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I’m dialing after the 3 hole if he’s still there with the 25 and 26 first round picks plus a sweetener to get him. Easily.

edited Mar 24, 2025 7:04 AM

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#16 · Mar 24, 7:03 AM
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JustInTime wrote:
https://x.com/scoutdnfl/status/1903962916702789978?s=46&t=TjjB9Q4BmOwmN74RrrMjoQ

I’m dialing after the 3 hole if he’s still there with the 25 and 26 first round picks plus a sweetener to get him. Easily.

I'd be on board with that but it would probably take one heck of a sweetener to jump into the top 5. Addison, maybe?

#17 · Mar 24, 7:42 AM
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JustInTime wrote:

Him or Barron possibly being available at 24 is unfathomable to me. Once Barron balled out vs OSU I put that one on the back burner. Johnson I never even bothered looking into because it just wasn’t happening. 

Emmanwori is intriguing to me. That SoCar D was just nuts. I’m assuming he’d take over Mettelus’ role after Hitman retires in the worst case scenario. Situational mix and match starter depending on the O we face. Wanna spy a QB? 3rd down dime backer? Big nickel? ST demon? Doesn’t take much to think Daniels and BFlo would want this guy bad.

Harmon is probably my favorite pick at 24. 4i in base or NT in passing downs. Drops the age of the iDL room.

I have been trying to sell myself on Emmanwori at 24 and just cannot do it. Trade back into the second round and take him there?, ok. The only 1st round Safety I see is Starks. My preference, if we can find a dance partner, is trading back and taking a CB with the first pick - Revel, Amos, Thomas, Hairston, Morrison. There is so much depth at DI that we can wait on that. I do agree on a Safety but that would probably be the second pick - the one we get for trading back. Winston would be great. Then DI with our next pick. We do need a TE and there are several good ones - BTW, if Loveland falls to 24, I could see us taking him. He would make JJ's job easier.

#18 · Mar 24, 7:44 AM
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supafreak84 wrote:

I'd be on board with that but it would probably take one heck of a sweetener to jump into the top 5. Addison, maybe?

Addison? Fuck no. This board seriously undervalues Addison for whatever reason. 

A comp pick would be my sweetener. Hell throw in Nailor too.

dadevike wrote:

I have been trying to sell myself on Emmanwori at 24 and just cannot do it. Trade back into the second round and take him there?, ok. The only 1st round Safety I see is Starks. My preference, if we can find a dance partner, is trading back and taking a CB with the first pick - Revel, Amos, Thomas, Hairston, Morrison. There is so much depth at DI that we can wait on that. I do agree on a Safety but that would probably be the second pick - the one we get for trading back. Winston would be great. Then DI with our next pick. We do need a TE and there are several good ones - BTW, if Loveland falls to 24, I could see us taking him. He would make JJ's job easier.

Trend over the post FA period is heading towards S. I can see the draw of Emmanwori, especially one would could play nickel or even dime iLB. Add in his ST game and it’s easy to make a case.

I’m not sure we take TE anywhere near that high especially with what we’re paying Hock. I do see Hock getting a lot of work this year.

edited Mar 24, 2025 8:42 AM

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#19 · Mar 24, 7:49 AM
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dadevike wrote:

I have been trying to sell myself on Emmanwori at 24 and just cannot do it. Trade back into the second round and take him there?, ok. The only 1st round Safety I see is Starks. My preference, if we can find a dance partner, is trading back and taking a CB with the first pick - Revel, Amos, Thomas, Hairston, Morrison. There is so much depth at DI that we can wait on that. I do agree on a Safety but that would probably be the second pick - the one we get for trading back. Winston would be great. Then DI with our next pick. We do need a TE and there are several good ones - BTW, if Loveland falls to 24, I could see us taking him. He would make JJ's job easier.

I just don't see a safety. I know Smith is year to year at this point, but we still have Mattelus, gave Theo Jackson a new deal, and Jay Ward is someone the organization likes and is still under contract for two more seasons. By all accounts the Flores scheme is a complicated one to learn, so if you draft a safety, you are essentially relegating that player to a redshirt type year where there only contributions will likely only be on special teams. There is no way you take that over a potential starting left guard, a rotational defensive lineman, a nickel corner or an impact running back who will get carries in rotation.

#20 · Mar 24, 9:28 AM
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supafreak84 wrote:

I just don't see a safety. I know Smith is year to year at this point, but we still have Mattelus, gave Theo Jackson a new deal, and Jay Ward is someone the organization likes and is still under contract for two more seasons. By all accounts the Flores scheme is a complicated one to learn, so if you draft a safety, you are essentially relegating that player to a redshirt type year where there only contributions will likely only be on special teams. There is no way you take that over a potential starting left guard, a rotational defensive lineman, a nickel corner or an impact running back who will get carries in rotation.

Why is the learning curve less for a nickel CB than S?

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Shakespeare 

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