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I've often posted I'd take Hitler at QB if it meant a Lombardi trophy.

But not Rodgers

I'll just say that I've seen a lot of pundits, Mark Schlerith included, who think the Vikings go from 3rd or 4th in the division to a Super Bowl favorite in the conference by bringing in Rodgers.

I love JJ McCarthy but I understand the Vikings looking at this going "do we really want to turn a championship caliber roster over and stake our fate next season to a 22 year old kid coming off a knee injury who's never
played an NFL snap?"

I think this is Brett Favre all over again and Rodgers would be an MVP candidate in Minnesota and have one of his best seasons ever. How far he could take us is anybodys guess, but I guarantee he's not sitting there holding on to the ball in crunch games for us.

StickierBuns wrote:
Oh boy.

Dianna Russini
@DMRussini
Here’s what you need to know.

The Vikings are having discussions about what they want to do at quarterback and if they want Rodgers.

Rodgers is giving them time and waiting to hear from Minnesota.

The Vikings have yet to make a decision.

We all wait.

Where there's smoke....

They free up money to move forward and make upgrades and now this nonsense

Bring Rodgers in for a workout, then sign Flacco.

supafreak84 wrote:
I'll just say that I've seen a lot of pundits, Mark Schlerith included, who think the Vikings go from 3rd or 4th in the division to a Super Bowl favorite in the conference by bringing in Rodgers.

I love JJ McCarthy but I understand the Vikings looking at this going "do we really want to turn a championship caliber roster over and stake our fate next season to a 22 year old kid coming off a knee injury who's never
played an NFL snap?"

I think this is Brett Favre all over again and Rodgers would be an MVP candidate in Minnesota and have one of his best seasons ever. How far he could take us is anybodys guess, but I guarantee he's not sitting there holding on to the ball in crunch games for us.

I posted this in another thread, but why do we think Rodgers would light it up here?

He's a different cat personality wise...  A good young HC in Green Bay said enough is enough and dumped him for their first round QB who barely played his first two years.

Then he goes to the Jets...  Literally has what ever he wants...  Jets bring in his favorite QB Coach to be his OC...  Has Garrett Wilson and they trade for Davante Adams and brought in Allen Lazard...  Breece Hall in the backfield...  Top 10 defense...

I mean the Jets had similar weaponry as we do, a great defense, and a better RB and he still took that team to a 7-10 record.  The stats look nice, but the record and how he reacted to adversity was not.  

I think Kevin O'Connell and our staff is much better at coaching than what the Jets had, but do we want to bring any of that here?  I get having some hesitation about starting JJ, but at some point you have to see the kid play. I'd rather roll the dice on him than bringing in a guy who may be completely washed physically and isn't a culture fit at all.

I think it really boils down to...does McCarthy or Rodgers give us the best chance to win a championship THIS SEASON. That's the discussion taking place right now because that's where the rest of the roster is at.

The mystique of this guy is ridiculous, did anyone actually watch him play last year, he sucked! And on top of that you have one of the biggest aholes on the planet. He is not going to want to come in and be a backup. If we were not handing the team over to JJM this year then we should have kept Darnold or Jones. If they actually considering it, I will lose all faith in them and if they actually signed him, I would not be able to watch. It was awful having to see Favre in purple, we deserve better.

MAD GAINZ wrote:

I posted this in another thread, but why do we think Rodgers would light it up here?

He's a different cat personality wise...  A good young HC in Green Bay said enough is enough and dumped him for their first round QB who barely played his first two years.

Then he goes to the Jets...  Literally has what ever he wants...  Jets bring in his favorite QB Coach to be his OC...  Has Garrett Wilson and they trade for Davante Adams and brought in Allen Lazard...  Breece Hall in the backfield...  Top 10 defense...

I mean the Jets had similar weaponry as we do, a great defense, and a better RB and he still took that team to a 7-10 record.  The stats look nice, but the record and how he reacted to adversity was not.  

I think Kevin O'Connell and our staff is much better at coaching than what the Jets had, but do we want to bring any of that here?  I get having some hesitation about starting JJ, but at some point you have to see the kid play. I'd rather roll the dice on him than bringing in a guy who may be completely washed physically and isn't a culture fit at all.

The optics would be  like a huge betrayal to what they've said they stand for culturally and what they are trying to build going forward. 

I cant believe they'd bench JJM for another year either.

MAD GAINZ wrote:

I posted this in another thread, but why do we think Rodgers would light it up here?

He's a different cat personality wise...  A good young HC in Green Bay said enough is enough and dumped him for their first round QB who barely played his first two years.

Then he goes to the Jets...  Literally has what ever he wants...  Jets bring in his favorite QB Coach to be his OC...  Has Garrett Wilson and they trade for Davante Adams and brought in Allen Lazard...  Breece Hall in the backfield...  Top 10 defense...

I mean the Jets had similar weaponry as we do, a great defense, and a better RB and he still took that team to a 7-10 record.  The stats look nice, but the record and how he reacted to adversity was not.  

I think Kevin O'Connell and our staff is much better at coaching than what the Jets had, but do we want to bring any of that here?  I get having some hesitation about starting JJ, but at some point you have to see the kid play. I'd rather roll the dice on him than bringing in a guy who may be completely washed physically and isn't a culture fit at all.

I don’t really think much of what you said was valid at all.  The Packers were in a different spot.  They had already been paying him big bucks for a while.  They had a young QB approaching the end of their contract that they would have to either commit to or move on from, and they had to figure out what they had in him.  We could theoretically do two more years of Rodgers before ending up in the same spot with JJM.

The Jets are a disaster organization.  We’re not.  They gave him what he wanted or at least what they could obtain that he wanted.  They shouldn’t have.  They had a defensive HC and no real plan on offense.  We have an offensive HC who has a very firm grip on the scheme.  He wouldn’t be bringing Rodgers in and hiring the shit coordinator that Rodgers had and having a hands off approach to the offense.  Then their meddling owner fired the strongest coach on the staff and their defense went to shit.  Like assuming that Rodgers hasn’t fallen off a cliff since last year, I’d expect a much better performance out of Rodgers in our system compared to their system.  I would fully trust KOC to figure out some sort of compromise scheme that balances what Rodgers was most comfortable with, with what his scheme has done well with into something that is cohesive and makes everyone happy.

I just think it comes down to how much you like JJM and how stubborn Rodgers is being on money and years.  I wouldn’t give Rodgers a two year contract, unless there are void years in play just for cap purposes.  I think if you really, really like JJM, like how much KC like Mahomes, you roll the dice.  If Rodgers is stuck on getting a multiple year deal, let him go.  I think the thing that is most pro-Rodgers is Flores.  How many more successful defenses can we have before he’s given another HC job?  That is the biggest time constraint we have.  If he leaves our defense needs to have much more talent to get the same output.  Maybe they feel pressured to maximize things while he’s here.

The Jets are paying almost 50 million for him to go away

I don't want Rodgers buuuuut if he did sign I would love it if he hung both jerseys in the HOF like Favre.

purplefaithful wrote:

The optics would be  like a huge betrayal to what they've said they stand for culturally and what they are trying to build going forward. 

I cant believe they'd bench JJM for another year either.

Who says they would? Even if they did, I think people have always overreacted to the possibility of JJ sitting another year. I mean, so what? I didn't think it was a big deal when the Vikings were considering Darnold and it wouldn't be a big deal if he sits behind Rodgers for a year. The goal is win the Super Bowl. 

So here's what my gut says. Rodgers would LOVE to play in this offense. He thinks he can win a Super Bowl in this offense. And the Vikings would love to have Rodgers...as our backup. He's 41 years old and he isn't what he used to be. He'll be 42 by the time the playoffs roll around. He has no right to expect a starting role. But that's what he wants. And I think he wants the Vikings to declare him the starter and they're not willing to do that. 

Ownership, however, is intrigued. Can a 42yo, 4-time MVP, with the best surround he's ever had, finally win this team its first Super Bowl? Brady did it at 43. Is it worth the cultural chaos? Or is everyone overreacting about that? Are we really going to let Rodger's eccentricities prevent this team from its first championship? Joe Namath wore pantyhose. Aaron's just misunderstood. 

For their part, the Vikings want him to come in, give us the security we need, and are willing to pay for. But at the very least Rodgers has to compete with JJ. And I think everyone including Rodgers, knows that he may not win that competition. And if he doesn't, he might just just throw a fit, retire and leave us stranded. So we have a stalemate while the Vikings consider other options....

There. Have I pissed off everyone yet?

purplefaithful wrote:

The optics would be  like a huge betrayal to what they've said they stand for culturally and what they are trying to build going forward. 

I cant believe they'd bench JJM for another year either.

Technically, they didn't bench JJM this last year. He got injured. He might have won the job. So, they wouldn't be benching him for another year. I agree with the optics though.

Honestly talent aside, just in terms of team culture that has been built - NO.

Why you would bring in a franchise killer is beyond me.

MaroonBells wrote:

Who says they would? Even if they did, I think people have always overreacted to the possibility of JJ sitting another year. I mean, so what? I didn't think it was a big deal when the Vikings were considering Darnold and it wouldn't be a big deal if he sits behind Rodgers for a year. The goal is win the Super Bowl. 

So here's what my gut says. Rodgers would LOVE to play in this offense. He thinks he can win a Super Bowl in this offense. And the Vikings would love to have Rodgers...as our backup. He's 41 years old and he isn't what he used to be. He'll be 42 by the time the playoffs roll around. He has no right to expect a starting role. But that's what he wants. And I think he wants the Vikings to declare him the starter and they're not willing to do that. 

Ownership, however, is intrigued. Can a 42yo, 4-time MVP, with the best surround he's ever had, finally win this team its first Super Bowl? Brady did it at 43. Is it worth the cultural chaos? Or is everyone overreacting about that? Are we really going to let Rodger's eccentricities prevent this team from its first championship? Joe Namath wore pantyhose. Aaron's just misunderstood. 

For their part, the Vikings want him to come in, give us the security we need, and are willing to pay for. But at the very least Rodgers has to compete with JJ. And I think everyone including Rodgers, knows that he may not win that competition. And if he doesn't, he might just just throw a fit, retire and leave us stranded. So we have a stalemate while the Vikings consider other options....

There. Have I pissed off everyone yet?

The longer this goes on the more I think we’re in the potential mix for things.  Totally agree that Rodgers would love to play here as would every QB.  I do think we structured contracts in a way to leave it open to spend big money on Rodgers.  I think from Rodgers perspective there’s just us and Pittsburgh and after that I don’t think there’s a team he would play for, so if we’re not in the mix, I think he’d just sign with Pittsburgh, unless he really wants to just avoid minicamps and whatnot.  I don’t think the Vikings as a team are really concerned at all about Rodgers being a cancer for the short term.  We’re a great locker room with strong coaches.  There’s probably some amount of concern how the fans would react, because we’re strongly opinionated, but they probably assume that winning solves those problems and with Rodgers we’re probably at least double digit wins, so I doubt that’s highly concerning.  I think it’s all about how much they like JJM, which I think they really like him a lot.  I think Rodgers is probably really pressing for a multiple year deal and we’re really trying to limit it to a single year.  Like he probably wants 2 years $100M and we’re at 1 year $40M, because we have options, and everyones just sitting on it for a bit to see how strong convictions are.

medaille wrote:

The longer this goes on the more I think we’re in the potential mix for things.  Totally agree that Rodgers would love to play here as would every QB.  I do think we structured contracts in a way to leave it open to spend big money on Rodgers.  I think from Rodgers perspective there’s just us and Pittsburgh and after that I don’t think there’s a team he would play for, so if we’re not in the mix, I think he’d just sign with Pittsburgh, unless he really wants to just avoid minicamps and whatnot.  I don’t think the Vikings as a team are really concerned at all about Rodgers being a cancer for the short term.  We’re a great locker room with strong coaches.  There’s probably some amount of concern how the fans would react, because we’re strongly opinionated, but they probably assume that winning solves those problems and with Rodgers we’re probably at least double digit wins, so I doubt that’s highly concerning.  I think it’s all about how much they like JJM, which I think they really like him a lot.  I think Rodgers is probably really pressing for a multiple year deal and we’re really trying to limit it to a single year.  Like he probably wants 2 years $100M and we’re at 1 year $40M, because we have options, and everyones just sitting on it for a bit to see how strong convictions are.

The only way he comes here is as the agreed back-up with an incredibly short leash if anything starts to go sideways.  That being said, I just don't see it.  You don't load up this way to have a QB controversy.  And, the way Rodgers played last year was certainly worse than I expect McCarthy to play.  He'd be the best no. 2 QB in the league, though, so I'm okay with that if he'd accept that role.  Problem is, he won't... There is no f..king way we're into Rodgers in the $40MM area. He was a well below average QB last year. We "may" pay him $25MM for two years. I don't see it being a penny more, even if he agrees to act like an altar boy and accept the no. 2 role.

When will this nightmare end???? Gahhhh!!!