Sam Has To Mess The Bed
... and bounce back from it in order to consider extending him.
I've been thinking about this a lot recently-- Would it be smart to extend Darnold now to something shorter and more manageable, versus potentially trying to outbid other teams for him on the open market in the offseason?
I've seen the question brought up here and my thought has been, let's just wait. There's no rush, it's only been 4 games, JJM looked great... It makes sense. But if he'd sign today for something like 2 years, $40M with an understanding we may trade him after year 1, would that be such a bad thing? It could wind up looking like a huge bargain as soon as a month from now. For reference, Baker had one good season in Tampa and signed a 3-year, $100M extension this past offseason. In other words, a two-year deal might be off the table come March. So there are pros to doing a deal now for sure.
But I realized if we signed him today and then the next week he has a dud, there would be absolute panic in the streets. It would be a very uncomfortable wait until the next game and then who knows what would happen. It's too scary to think about.
So I've decided I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other-- extend Sam soon or wait it out-- But I do feel like we HAVE to see Sam have a bad game (turnovers, lose, sacks, the whole 9) and come back the next week looking like Our Sam in order for me to fully have faith. Once he does that, I'm at peace with any decision. I should note I say this all as a huge, antsy, JJ McCarthy fan who would be excited to roll with him as QB1 next year as well.
StickierBuns wrote:
From ESPN:
The Purple Persuasion
@TPPSkol
"At the very least he's getting the Baker Mayfield contract if he continues to play this way." @TampaBayTre
on the #Vikings QB Sam Darnold's next deal on This is Football with @bykevinclark
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Sikkema added that the 1 or 2 year deal "doesn't exist" anymore, Darnold will be signing for a long term deal.
"If he continues to play this way," is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. I said the same thing in the OP though so I agree with Tampa Tre.
To the people saying we won't be able to afford Sam this offseason if he plays well-- I agree. That's why the window to maybe have a chance at signing him is now. I still would need to see more before I did that if I were Minnesota, but they wouldn't be doing their jobs if they weren't having these talks, imo.
Darnold keeps playing well, he will have plenty of interest and get a bag. There are several teams in need of a qb. It would be a tough decision. On the one hand, you have a qb that has proven he can sustain his performance and open up possibilities. I get the back and forth on JJM but at some point they have to see what he can do. No matter how much people what if the situation (what if he isn't ready, he needs more time, etc), the situation still has to play out. Hopefully Sam will continue to ball out. It is a great fit with KOC and Darnold. Good for him.
You're only given a little spark of madness. You mustn't lose it. — Robin Williams
Regardless of what happens, it's amazing to me as a Vikings fan to even have this discussion. It is not exactly in our history to be well set up at QB, especially in both the short and long term. Just look at our situation compared to 7 months ago when we let Cousins walk and had no good option to start at QB, let alone two.
I'm pinching myself at how well this offseason has worked out all around.
Darnold got signed with the idea that he has the opportunity make the best of a one year contract and get himself PAID next offseason, but not by the Vikings.
I’d be absolutely FLOORED if the front office went backwards and signed Darnold to a massive deal. The only way that happens is if they don’t like what they see in JJM, and every bit of rhetoric coming out of the Vikings camp refutes that idea.
Even if Darnold somehow wins us a Super Bowl (which I still believe is nearly impossible), he gets the Nick Foles/Jeff Hostetler treatment.
SFVikingFan wrote:
Regardless of what happens, it's amazing to me as a Vikings fan to even have this discussion. It is not exactly in our history to be well set up at QB, especially in both the short and long term. Just look at our situation compared to 7 months ago when we let Cousins walk and had no good option to start at QB, let alone two.I'm pinching myself at how well this offseason has worked out all around.
Exactly. Last spring we had no QB. We called up Harbaugh to see if he might want to trade Justin Herbert. Imagine one of the NFL's great young QBs running this offense. Well that's what we have now. Sam Darnold is 1 year older than Herbert. He's younger than Joe Burrow and Josh Allen. And right now at least he's better than all of them. Oh and lest I forget, we also drafted JJ McCarthy.
It's like we just won the lottery, the Powerball Mega Millions Jackpot, and we're fighting over what to do with all the cash.
I think you might be seeing him messing the bed a little today. He and the WRs haven't seemed to be on the same page very much today. Hoping he can bounce back or at least hang on for the win.
Is it messy enough?
Play calling has also been atrocious. Every play is either a run for little to no yards or a long pass. Hard to get into a rhythm that way.
SFVikingFan wrote:
Play calling has also been atrocious. Every play is either a run for little to no yards or a long pass. Hard to get into a rhythm that way.
Jones makes the running game work. Chandler isn’t a feature back.
SFVikingFan wrote:
Play calling has also been atrocious. Every play is either a run for little to no yards or a long pass. Hard to get into a rhythm that way.
Definitely, KOCs play calling was suspect way to often today. Bradbury was getting worked again today but they still kept trying to run inside on first downs.
Why isn't Chuck Foreman in the Hall of Fame?
JimmyinSD wrote:
Definitely, KOCs play calling was suspect way to often today. Bradbury was getting worked again today but they still kept trying to run inside on first downs.
They kept running up the gut because the Jets gave up big yards previously between the tackles.
JimmyinSD wrote:
Definitely, KOCs play calling was suspect way to often today. Bradbury was getting worked again today but they still kept trying to run inside on first downs.
We were picking up good yards with Jones up the middle until he got hurt. Why was it suspect? Chandler looked tentative running between the tackles and Darnold was late or missed some open WRs. Jets have a good defense. Why is it KOC's fault when players don't execute to the fans liking? Big plays were there.
MAD GAINZ wrote:
We were picking up good yards with Jones up the middle until he got hurt. Why was it suspect? Chandler looked tentative running between the tackles and Darnold was late or missed some open WRs. Jets have a good defense. Why is it KOC's fault when players don't execute to the fans liking? Big plays were there.
Because after Jones went out, Chandler up the middle wasn't working, and Darnold constantly throwing (and missing) deep, there didn't seem to be any in-game adjustments.
Just about cost us the game.
It's funny fans are pissed at our HC for not calling plays that worked when the Vikings offensive players had plenty of miscues.
Darnold didn't play well. Chandler isn't as good as Aaron Jones. A very good OL had some penalties that wiped out Chandler's only big run and put us in some long down and distances at times.
Is Darnold untouchable now?
Damn,
In spite of a rough day, I wish we would have found a way to win and get to 5 & 0 vs a Jets team giving us their best shot :cool:
Hurry-up Vikings, we ain't getting any younger!
purplefaithful wrote:
Damn,In spite of a rough day, I wish we would have found a way to win and get to 5 & 0 vs a Jets team giving us their best shot :cool:
Right, lol? It wasn't a pretty win, but the defense played great, special teams were mediocre and had the cardinal sin of roughing the punter, and the offense struggled against a good Jets defense. A win is a win.
FLVike wrote:
We are 2 games ahead of the Lions, Packers, and Bears and it's only going to get worse for them.
Go Rams!!
Do your buddy KOC a favor today McVay.
Hurry-up Vikings, we ain't getting any younger!
MAD GAINZ wrote:
It's funny fans are pissed at our HC for not calling plays that worked when the Vikings offensive players had plenty of miscues.Darnold didn't play well. Chandler isn't as good as Aaron Jones. A very good OL had some penalties that wiped out Chandler's only big run and put us in some long down and distances at times.
Is Darnold untouchable now?
No, but apparently youve decided that KOC is? Maybe it was on Darnold, or maybe the Jets and last week the Packers are just slow starters and it no fault of the play calling that the O goes into a 2.5 quarter shell making what should be a laugher into a nail biter. Just seems that things get stagnant unless the score is close.
Why isn't Chuck Foreman in the Hall of Fame?
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