JJM v Maye

purplefaithful wrote:
From a DC's perspective

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As Gophers defensive coordinator last season, Joe Rossi faced Maye and McCarthy in a span of a month, which meant he studied hours of video of them and crafted game plans with their different skill sets in mind.

Rossi left to become defensive coordinator at Michigan State after the season. He took a break from spring practice this past week to share his insights into the two quarterbacks.

First up, Maye.
"I think he's super talented," Rossi said. "He's got very good arm talent. I thought he was accurate. He goes through his progressions really well. And he's more mobile than you think.

"If things aren't open, he'll move in the pocket to throw it. And then if it's still not open, he'll pull it down and run for five and run out of bounds and line up and play the next down. I appreciate that because hey, he's moving, he's extending plays, he's getting positive yardage, but then he's being smart with the ball and not taking hits."

Rossi was mindful of Maye's mobility as he constructed his game plan.

"We wanted to keep him in the pocket as much as possible when we rushed because we knew that he would get out," he said. "When he got out, he extended the play and then sometimes the coverage would break down. We wanted to him, but we also wanted to be aware of not giving him the opportunity to get escape lanes."

Maye lived up to the hype in a 31-13 win on Sept. 16, completing 29 of 40 passes for 414 yards and two touchdowns.
The Gophers intercepted Maye on back-to-back possessions in the first half. One was a poor decision and thrown under pressure. The other was an excellent play by defensive back Jack Henderson.

The Tar Heels converted 12 of 17 third-down opportunities, almost all of them coming on Maye's passing or scrambling.
"He did a good job of keeping the chains moving, getting first downs and kind of wearing us out a little bit," Rossi said.

McCarthy and Michigan visited Huntington Bank Stadium three weeks later. 

The game was over before it started, with the Wolverines rolling to a 52-10 win on their way to a national championship.

Michigan's scheme limited McCarthy's profile as a passer. He averaged only 22 pass attempts per game and threw 93 fewer passes than Maye for the season despite playing in three additional postseason games. McCarthy completed 72.3% of his passes, the sixth-best rate nationally, with only four interceptions in 15 games.

"He did a really good job managing and distributing the ball," Rossi said. "He had playmakers everywhere, whether it was the tailbacks, the tight ends, the receivers. I thought he was really good off the run game in play-action and throwing over the top of defenses. He got us a couple times doing that.

"On third down, the thing we feared a ton was him running with the ball. He made a lot of plays with his feet, getting out of the pocket, long scrambles, moving the chains."

McCarthy attempted only 20 passes against the Gophers, completing 14 for 219 yards and a touchdown. He also had touchdown runs of 5 and 7 yards.

"If we would have got them into more passing situations and third down, we wanted to spy him because we felt like he was just really dangerous when he got outside the pocket," Rossi said.

The Vikings' quarterback research will be voluminous before draft night. If they asked Rossi for his perspective?

"After seeing both of them, watching them and game planning them, I think they're both first-round players," Rossi said. "If you're going to look to be more in the drop-back game and throw it, I think Maye has a little bit of an advantage there. If you're going to be more of a run-game, play-action, throw-the-ball-over-the-top , I think I would probably go the other way."

https://www.startribune.com/vikings-nfl-draft-quarterback-jj-mccarthy-drake-maye-gophers-joe-rossi-chip-scoggins/600356899/

Interesting, and begs the question which are we?

Maroon_Bells wrote:

"purplefaithful" wrote:
From a DC's perspective

=================================

As Gophers defensive coordinator last season, Joe Rossi faced Maye and McCarthy in a span of a month, which meant he studied hours of video of them and crafted game plans with their different skill sets in mind.

Rossi left to become defensive coordinator at Michigan State after the season. He took a break from spring practice this past week to share his insights into the two quarterbacks.

First up, Maye.
"I think he's super talented," Rossi said. "He's got very good arm talent. I thought he was accurate. He goes through his progressions really well. And he's more mobile than you think.

"If things aren't open, he'll move in the pocket to throw it. And then if it's still not open, he'll pull it down and run for five and run out of bounds and line up and play the next down. I appreciate that because hey, he's moving, he's extending plays, he's getting positive yardage, but then he's being smart with the ball and not taking hits."

Rossi was mindful of Maye's mobility as he constructed his game plan.

"We wanted to keep him in the pocket as much as possible when we rushed because we knew that he would get out," he said. "When he got out, he extended the play and then sometimes the coverage would break down. We wanted to him, but we also wanted to be aware of not giving him the opportunity to get escape lanes."

Maye lived up to the hype in a 31-13 win on Sept. 16, completing 29 of 40 passes for 414 yards and two touchdowns.
The Gophers intercepted Maye on back-to-back possessions in the first half. One was a poor decision and thrown under pressure. The other was an excellent play by defensive back Jack Henderson.

The Tar Heels converted 12 of 17 third-down opportunities, almost all of them coming on Maye's passing or scrambling.
"He did a good job of keeping the chains moving, getting first downs and kind of wearing us out a little bit," Rossi said.

McCarthy and Michigan visited Huntington Bank Stadium three weeks later. 

The game was over before it started, with the Wolverines rolling to a 52-10 win on their way to a national championship.

Michigan's scheme limited McCarthy's profile as a passer. He averaged only 22 pass attempts per game and threw 93 fewer passes than Maye for the season despite playing in three additional postseason games. McCarthy completed 72.3% of his passes, the sixth-best rate nationally, with only four interceptions in 15 games.

"He did a really good job managing and distributing the ball," Rossi said. "He had playmakers everywhere, whether it was the tailbacks, the tight ends, the receivers. I thought he was really good off the run game in play-action and throwing over the top of defenses. He got us a couple times doing that.

"On third down, the thing we feared a ton was him running with the ball. He made a lot of plays with his feet, getting out of the pocket, long scrambles, moving the chains."

McCarthy attempted only 20 passes against the Gophers, completing 14 for 219 yards and a touchdown. He also had touchdown runs of 5 and 7 yards.

"If we would have got them into more passing situations and third down, we wanted to spy him because we felt like he was just really dangerous when he got outside the pocket," Rossi said.

The Vikings' quarterback research will be voluminous before draft night. If they asked Rossi for his perspective?

"After seeing both of them, watching them and game planning them, I think they're both first-round players," Rossi said. "If you're going to look to be more in the drop-back game and throw it, I think Maye has a little bit of an advantage there. If you're going to be more of a run-game, play-action, throw-the-ball-over-the-top , I think I would probably go the other way."

https://www.startribune.com/vikings-nfl-draft-quarterback-jj-mccarthy-drake-maye-gophers-joe-rossi-chip-scoggins/600356899/

Interesting, and begs the question which are we?

I had a hard time with that too...I can't predict what they will be, but its clear that KC's strength was play action. 

must we copy the entire post with each reply?

rf54 wrote:
must we copy the entire post with each reply?

Was wondering if that was happening inadvertently or if it was intentional.

For very long posts I think quoting is a bit of a nuisance. I wonder if there is a mention option instead of a quote option for those.

Mike Olson wrote:

"rf54" wrote:
must we copy the entire post with each reply?

Was wondering if that was happening inadvertently or if it was intentional.

For very long posts I think quoting is a bit of a nuisance. I wonder if there is a mention option instead of a quote option for those.

So here is straight reply ( not quote)

Here is a quick reply (bottom of page)

rf54 wrote:
must we copy the entire post with each reply?

Absolutely not. But dude, I didn’t even know where to write my reply, let alone if it would work, or how it would show up. We’re mere hours from getting this board back online…..ya think maybe we can be a little more patient on best practices while some of us older folks figure out how it works? :D

Testing X link:

McCarthy to Minnesota becoming a lock? 🤔

(odds via @BetMGM) pic.twitter.com/kT9lRK4COl

— Yahoo Sports (@YahooSports) April 2, 2024

purplefaithful wrote:

"Mike Olson" wrote:


must we copy the entire post with each reply?

Was wondering if that was happening inadvertently or if it was intentional.

For very long posts I think quoting is a bit of a nuisance. I wonder if there is a mention option instead of a quote option for those.

So here is straight reply ( not quote)

Here is a quick reply (bottom of page)

purplefaithful wrote:

Testing X link:

McCarthy to Minnesota becoming a lock? 🤔

(odds via @BetMGM) pic.twitter.com/kT9lRK4COl

— Yahoo Sports (@YahooSports) April 2, 2024

McCarthy to Minnesota becoming a lock? 🤔

(odds via @BetMGM) pic.twitter.com/kT9lRK4COl

— Yahoo Sports (@YahooSports) April 2, 2024

purplefaithful wrote:

Testing X link:
https://twitter.com/YahooSports/status/1775217400730063160/photo/1

"purplefaithful" wrote:



must we copy the entire post with each reply?

Was wondering if that was happening inadvertently or if it was intentional.
For very long posts I think quoting is a bit of a nuisance. I wonder if there is a mention option instead of a quote option for those.

So here is straight reply ( not quote)

Here is a quick reply (bottom of page)

purplefaithful wrote:

Testing X link:
https://twitter.com/YahooSports/status/1775217400730063160/photo/1

McCarthy to Minnesota becoming a lock? 🤔

(odds via @BetMGM) pic.twitter.com/kT9lRK4COl

— Yahoo Sports (@YahooSports) April 2, 2024

Maroon_Bells wrote:

"rf54" wrote:
must we copy the entire post with each reply?

Absolutely not. But dude, I didn’t even know where to write my reply, let alone if it would work, or how it would show up. We’re mere hours from getting this board back online…..ya think maybe we can be a little more patient on best practices while some of us older folks figure out how it works? :D

We need a like button again. 
 PLEASE people,  be patient.

I see how quoting with the quote button doesn't work, but replying adds the entire thread to the reply ... yikes.  

Well I'm sure you'll work it out in time.  ;)

Wonder if this forum software has a quick-quote feature like ProBoards?  That's nice because you can just grab snippets of text, even from different posts by different users, and turn it into a single, abbreviated reply.

Try the Quick Reply! (It’s directly under the “New Reply” button)

comet52 wrote:

We need a like button again. 
 PLEASE people,  be patient.

I see how quoting with the quote button doesn't work, but replying adds the entire thread to the reply ... yikes.  

Well I'm sure you'll work it out in time.  ;)

Wonder if this forum software has a quick-quote feature like ProBoards?  That's nice because you can just grab snippets of text, even from different posts by different users, and turn it into a single, abbreviated reply.

So the quoting does work, but after you hit the quote sbutton then you click to add them into the post. It is a bit winky but it does work

Yes quick reply does work.

And sorry for hijacking this theead, but I think I need to change the quote limit to only quote 1 reply deep. I know I hate when forums have multiple levels deep in quotes.

Mike Olson wrote:
And sorry for hijacking this theead, but I think I need to change the quote limit to only quote 1 reply deep. I know I hate when forums have multiple levels deep in quotes.

testing. Again sorry, but I changed the max quotes to one.

So the statistical breakdown of JJM and Maye vs the Gophers comes out to:

Maye: 72.5% comp. 10.35 ypa 2 TD 2 INT
JJM: 70% comp 10.95 ypa 3 total TD (2 rush) 0 INT

You may now all start arguing over offensive scheme and supporting cast

This guy gives his argument for JJM over Maye.

https://www.minnesotasportsfan.com/why-minnesota-vikings-draft-jj-mccarthy/

"Schematic fit matters, especially at quarterback. For as physically gifted as Jayden Daniels is, his issues – throwing over the middle and bailing on plays when pressed – mesh terribly with the type of offense O’Connell likes running. As for Drake Maye, while he’s more talented than McCarthy, he also freelances more and poor decision-making is a bane of O’Connell’s existence as a coach. That’s why McCarthy stands out."

God, still almost 3 weeks to go lol.

I’d take Bo Nix over either of them. Then JJM and finally Maye.

Unlike the rest of the QB's, where Penix and Nix end-up are such big questions marks...

Brees dropped to the top of Round 2 in 2001 because of his 6-foot size and questions about whether his arm strength was tapped out. Now? He's a lock for the Hall of Fame in 2026. Nix, my fifth-ranked quarterback in this class, is a little taller at 6-2, but he has some of the same questions, especially coming from an Oregon offense that saw him throw quick and short. But when I watch Nix throw with precision, I see a lot of Brees' accuracy in him. -- Mel Kiper Jr., NFL draft analyst

StickierBuns wrote:
God, still almost 3 weeks to go lol.

One more day of rumors & forever to go!