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Possibly getting rid of hip drop tackle

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#1 · Mar 21, 4:53 PM
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Isnt this the tackle that brought down TJH? Or am I remembering that incorrectly? 

#2 · Mar 21, 5:28 PM
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Football is not going to be football pretty soon. It's already lost a lot of luster with all the tackling rules. Defenders have to be able to stop in mid-air, shift their bodies while falling so that their weight doesn't come down on a player, not touch the QB after they release the ball and now they can't tackle the hips. What's next? No tackling around the knees or legs? Just give the offense flags and be done with it.

#3 · Mar 21, 7:10 PM
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It's a contact sport,  injuries are part of the game,  at what point does the safety element get put on the offensive players?  Maybe they need to adjust so not to put their players in harms way?

#4 · Mar 21, 7:14 PM
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There will be a time that the NFL over micromanages the game, but until ratings suffer, it'll continue to be tweaked. I keep hearing faux fan outrage but its not showing up in the TV ratings.

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@"StickyBun" said: There will be a time that the NFL over micromanages the game, but until ratings suffer, it'll continue to be tweaked. I keep hearing faux fan outrage but its not showing up in the TV ratings.
with all the streaming devices,   are TV rating even accurate anymore, or are they voodoo math estimates?
#6 · Mar 22, 12:56 PM
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@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"StickyBun" said: There will be a time that the NFL over micromanages the game, but until ratings suffer, it'll continue to be tweaked. I keep hearing faux fan outrage but its not showing up in the TV ratings.
with all the streaming devices,   are TV rating even accurate anymore, or are they voodoo math estimates?
I know you want to think that, but the metrics have never been better. How do you think the TV contracts remain so big? You can think what you'd like, but the fact is the NFL is King. 

"NFL regular-season games averaged 17.9 million viewers in 2023, tied for the second highest since averages were first tracked in 1995"

#7 · Mar 22, 12:59 PM
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@"StickyBun" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"StickyBun" said: There will be a time that the NFL over micromanages the game, but until ratings suffer, it'll continue to be tweaked. I keep hearing faux fan outrage but its not showing up in the TV ratings.
with all the streaming devices,   are TV rating even accurate anymore, or are they voodoo math estimates?
I know you want to think that, but the metrics have never been better. How do you think the TV contracts remain so big? You can think what you'd like, but the fact is the NFL is King. 

"NFL regular-season games averaged 17.9 million viewers in 2023, tied for the second highest since averages were first tracked in 1995"



you dont know shit... why would I want people to quit watching the NFL?  what is the gain for me,  more attention getting paid to ?

i simply have asked how do they know how many people are watching what when very few have a box sitting on top of a tv anymore that monitors their viewing for Nielson or who ever.  Is there an  accepted industry algorithm or is there a specific subset of society that willingly allows their device usage to be tracked by the ratings people?

how do they know?

as far as advertising people making decisions based on sound marketing information... who the fuck you trying to kid?

States Evidence Exhibit 1

 

 :p 

#8 · Mar 22, 1:06 PM
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@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"StickyBun" said: There will be a time that the NFL over micromanages the game, but until ratings suffer, it'll continue to be tweaked. I keep hearing faux fan outrage but its not showing up in the TV ratings.
with all the streaming devices,   are TV rating even accurate anymore, or are they voodoo math estimates?
I know you want to think that, but the metrics have never been better. How do you think the TV contracts remain so big? You can think what you'd like, but the fact is the NFL is King. 

"NFL regular-season games averaged 17.9 million viewers in 2023, tied for the second highest since averages were first tracked in 1995"



you dont know shit... why would I want people to quit watching the NFL?  what is the gain for me,  more attention getting paid to ?

i simply have asked how do they know how many people are watching what when very few have a box sitting on top of a tv anymore that monitors their viewing for Nielson or who ever.  Is there an  accepted industry algorithm or is there a specific subset of society that willingly allows their device usage to be tracked by the ratings people?

how do they know?

as far as advertising people making decisions based on sound marketing information... who the fuck you trying to kid?

States Evidence Exhibit 1

 

 :p 



Yeah, apples for apples (eye roll). 

I've heard you bitch about the NFL before, don't act like you haven't. So that's the shit I do know. Why the innocent act? Just own it, man.

#9 · Mar 22, 1:13 PM
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Get ready for it.

#10 · Mar 22, 4:46 PM
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How do you breathe in those things?

#11 · Mar 23, 8:52 AM
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Are there really that many injuries caused by this? These kind of tackles don’t seem all that common either. 
They could teach players to slide down securing the legs without having to make it another subjective penalty called at the whim of the refs.

Bad idea in my opinion. 

#12 · Mar 23, 9:59 AM
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@"StickyBun" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"StickyBun" said: There will be a time that the NFL over micromanages the game, but until ratings suffer, it'll continue to be tweaked. I keep hearing faux fan outrage but its not showing up in the TV ratings.
with all the streaming devices,   are TV rating even accurate anymore, or are they voodoo math estimates?
I know you want to think that, but the metrics have never been better. How do you think the TV contracts remain so big? You can think what you'd like, but the fact is the NFL is King. 

"NFL regular-season games averaged 17.9 million viewers in 2023, tied for the second highest since averages were first tracked in 1995"



you dont know shit... why would I want people to quit watching the NFL?  what is the gain for me,  more attention getting paid to ?

i simply have asked how do they know how many people are watching what when very few have a box sitting on top of a tv anymore that monitors their viewing for Nielson or who ever.  Is there an  accepted industry algorithm or is there a specific subset of society that willingly allows their device usage to be tracked by the ratings people?

how do they know?

as far as advertising people making decisions based on sound marketing information... who the fuck you trying to kid?

States Evidence Exhibit 1

 

 :p 



Yeah, apples for apples (eye roll). 

I've heard you bitch about the NFL before, don't act like you haven't. So that's the shit I do know. Why the innocent act? Just own it, man.



What does bitching about stupid shit have to do with wanting to see the league go in the shitter?  I think you read intent into shit that isn't there.

If you don't know the answer then don't answer it.  I suspect it's based on hits online,  but I find that pretty inconsist with the way people multi task with multiple browsers and windows open multiple devices at any one time.  

#13 · Mar 24, 8:11 AM
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@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"StickyBun" said: There will be a time that the NFL over micromanages the game, but until ratings suffer, it'll continue to be tweaked. I keep hearing faux fan outrage but its not showing up in the TV ratings.
with all the streaming devices,   are TV rating even accurate anymore, or are they voodoo math estimates?
I know you want to think that, but the metrics have never been better. How do you think the TV contracts remain so big? You can think what you'd like, but the fact is the NFL is King. 

"NFL regular-season games averaged 17.9 million viewers in 2023, tied for the second highest since averages were first tracked in 1995"



you dont know shit... why would I want people to quit watching the NFL?  what is the gain for me,  more attention getting paid to ?

i simply have asked how do they know how many people are watching what when very few have a box sitting on top of a tv anymore that monitors their viewing for Nielson or who ever.  Is there an  accepted industry algorithm or is there a specific subset of society that willingly allows their device usage to be tracked by the ratings people?

how do they know?

as far as advertising people making decisions based on sound marketing information... who the fuck you trying to kid?

States Evidence Exhibit 1

 

 :p 



Yeah, apples for apples (eye roll). 

I've heard you bitch about the NFL before, don't act like you haven't. So that's the shit I do know. Why the innocent act? Just own it, man.



What does bitching about stupid shit have to do with wanting to see the league go in the shitter?  I think you read intent into shit that isn't there.

If you don't know the answer then don't answer it.  I suspect it's based on hits online,  but I find that pretty inconsist with the way people multi task with multiple browsers and windows open multiple devices at any one time.  



Dude, you are asking if the 'TV ratings' are even accurate.....why would you ask that? The metrics are there to measure viewership, its not a debate. It doesn't matter in what way people view the games. You find what inconsistent? You don't even know the metrics used, lol, yet you 'suspect' something. A contrarian for contrarian's sake. 

#14 · Mar 24, 8:21 AM
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@"StickyBun" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"StickyBun" said: There will be a time that the NFL over micromanages the game, but until ratings suffer, it'll continue to be tweaked. I keep hearing faux fan outrage but its not showing up in the TV ratings.
with all the streaming devices,   are TV rating even accurate anymore, or are they voodoo math estimates?
I know you want to think that, but the metrics have never been better. How do you think the TV contracts remain so big? You can think what you'd like, but the fact is the NFL is King. 

"NFL regular-season games averaged 17.9 million viewers in 2023, tied for the second highest since averages were first tracked in 1995"



you dont know shit... why would I want people to quit watching the NFL?  what is the gain for me,  more attention getting paid to ?

i simply have asked how do they know how many people are watching what when very few have a box sitting on top of a tv anymore that monitors their viewing for Nielson or who ever.  Is there an  accepted industry algorithm or is there a specific subset of society that willingly allows their device usage to be tracked by the ratings people?

how do they know?

as far as advertising people making decisions based on sound marketing information... who the fuck you trying to kid?

States Evidence Exhibit 1

 

 :p 



Yeah, apples for apples (eye roll). 

I've heard you bitch about the NFL before, don't act like you haven't. So that's the shit I do know. Why the innocent act? Just own it, man.



What does bitching about stupid shit have to do with wanting to see the league go in the shitter?  I think you read intent into shit that isn't there.

If you don't know the answer then don't answer it.  I suspect it's based on hits online,  but I find that pretty inconsist with the way people multi task with multiple browsers and windows open multiple devices at any one time.  



Dude, you are asking if the 'TV ratings' are even accurate.....why would you ask that? The metrics are there to measure viewership, its not a debate. It doesn't matter in what way people view the games. You find what inconsistent? You don't even know the metrics used, lol, yet you 'suspect' something. A contrarian for contrarian's sake. 



I see fans of about every sport claiming viewership is at an all time high.  How is this possible,  are we as a society all just tuned into every sporting event available?  I question the accuracy of these claims, why do you take this so personal, I am not questioning your sexuality.

#15 · Mar 24, 8:47 AM
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@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"StickyBun" said: There will be a time that the NFL over micromanages the game, but until ratings suffer, it'll continue to be tweaked. I keep hearing faux fan outrage but its not showing up in the TV ratings.
with all the streaming devices,   are TV rating even accurate anymore, or are they voodoo math estimates?
I know you want to think that, but the metrics have never been better. How do you think the TV contracts remain so big? You can think what you'd like, but the fact is the NFL is King. 

"NFL regular-season games averaged 17.9 million viewers in 2023, tied for the second highest since averages were first tracked in 1995"



you dont know shit... why would I want people to quit watching the NFL?  what is the gain for me,  more attention getting paid to ?

i simply have asked how do they know how many people are watching what when very few have a box sitting on top of a tv anymore that monitors their viewing for Nielson or who ever.  Is there an  accepted industry algorithm or is there a specific subset of society that willingly allows their device usage to be tracked by the ratings people?

how do they know?

as far as advertising people making decisions based on sound marketing information... who the fuck you trying to kid?

States Evidence Exhibit 1

 

 :p 



Yeah, apples for apples (eye roll). 

I've heard you bitch about the NFL before, don't act like you haven't. So that's the shit I do know. Why the innocent act? Just own it, man.



What does bitching about stupid shit have to do with wanting to see the league go in the shitter?  I think you read intent into shit that isn't there.

If you don't know the answer then don't answer it.  I suspect it's based on hits online,  but I find that pretty inconsist with the way people multi task with multiple browsers and windows open multiple devices at any one time.  



Dude, you are asking if the 'TV ratings' are even accurate.....why would you ask that? The metrics are there to measure viewership, its not a debate. It doesn't matter in what way people view the games. You find what inconsistent? You don't even know the metrics used, lol, yet you 'suspect' something. A contrarian for contrarian's sake. 



I see fans of about every sport claiming viewership is at an all time high.  How is this possible,  are we as a society all just tuned into every sporting event available?  I question the accuracy of these claims, why do you take this so personal, I am not questioning your sexuality.



lol, just my point of view. It comes off harsher in writing. 

Advertisers don't question the ratings. They pay a lot of money and its based off those metrics. Why you don't that is what I'm saying because you don't have any reason to. 
End of story.

p.s. I'm wearing this to brunch today:

#16 · Mar 24, 8:53 AM
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@"StickyBun" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"StickyBun" said: There will be a time that the NFL over micromanages the game, but until ratings suffer, it'll continue to be tweaked. I keep hearing faux fan outrage but its not showing up in the TV ratings.
with all the streaming devices,   are TV rating even accurate anymore, or are they voodoo math estimates?
I know you want to think that, but the metrics have never been better. How do you think the TV contracts remain so big? You can think what you'd like, but the fact is the NFL is King. 

"NFL regular-season games averaged 17.9 million viewers in 2023, tied for the second highest since averages were first tracked in 1995"



you dont know shit... why would I want people to quit watching the NFL?  what is the gain for me,  more attention getting paid to ?

i simply have asked how do they know how many people are watching what when very few have a box sitting on top of a tv anymore that monitors their viewing for Nielson or who ever.  Is there an  accepted industry algorithm or is there a specific subset of society that willingly allows their device usage to be tracked by the ratings people?

how do they know?

as far as advertising people making decisions based on sound marketing information... who the fuck you trying to kid?

States Evidence Exhibit 1

 

 :p 



Yeah, apples for apples (eye roll). 

I've heard you bitch about the NFL before, don't act like you haven't. So that's the shit I do know. Why the innocent act? Just own it, man.



What does bitching about stupid shit have to do with wanting to see the league go in the shitter?  I think you read intent into shit that isn't there.

If you don't know the answer then don't answer it.  I suspect it's based on hits online,  but I find that pretty inconsist with the way people multi task with multiple browsers and windows open multiple devices at any one time.  



Dude, you are asking if the 'TV ratings' are even accurate.....why would you ask that? The metrics are there to measure viewership, its not a debate. It doesn't matter in what way people view the games. You find what inconsistent? You don't even know the metrics used, lol, yet you 'suspect' something. A contrarian for contrarian's sake. 



I see fans of about every sport claiming viewership is at an all time high.  How is this possible,  are we as a society all just tuned into every sporting event available?  I question the accuracy of these claims, why do you take this so personal, I am not questioning your sexuality.



lol, just my point of view. It comes off harsher in writing. 

Advertisers don't question the ratings. They pay a lot of money and its based off those metrics. Why you don't that is what I'm saying because you don't have any reason to. 
End of story.

p.s. I'm wearing this to brunch today:




that color will go well with your eyes.

#17 · Mar 24, 9:14 AM
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@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"StickyBun" said: There will be a time that the NFL over micromanages the game, but until ratings suffer, it'll continue to be tweaked. I keep hearing faux fan outrage but its not showing up in the TV ratings.
with all the streaming devices,   are TV rating even accurate anymore, or are they voodoo math estimates?
I know you want to think that, but the metrics have never been better. How do you think the TV contracts remain so big? You can think what you'd like, but the fact is the NFL is King. 

"NFL regular-season games averaged 17.9 million viewers in 2023, tied for the second highest since averages were first tracked in 1995"



you dont know shit... why would I want people to quit watching the NFL?  what is the gain for me,  more attention getting paid to ?

i simply have asked how do they know how many people are watching what when very few have a box sitting on top of a tv anymore that monitors their viewing for Nielson or who ever.  Is there an  accepted industry algorithm or is there a specific subset of society that willingly allows their device usage to be tracked by the ratings people?

how do they know?

as far as advertising people making decisions based on sound marketing information... who the fuck you trying to kid?

States Evidence Exhibit 1

 

 :p 



Yeah, apples for apples (eye roll). 

I've heard you bitch about the NFL before, don't act like you haven't. So that's the shit I do know. Why the innocent act? Just own it, man.



What does bitching about stupid shit have to do with wanting to see the league go in the shitter?  I think you read intent into shit that isn't there.

If you don't know the answer then don't answer it.  I suspect it's based on hits online,  but I find that pretty inconsist with the way people multi task with multiple browsers and windows open multiple devices at any one time.  



Dude, you are asking if the 'TV ratings' are even accurate.....why would you ask that? The metrics are there to measure viewership, its not a debate. It doesn't matter in what way people view the games. You find what inconsistent? You don't even know the metrics used, lol, yet you 'suspect' something. A contrarian for contrarian's sake. 



I see fans of about every sport claiming viewership is at an all time high.  How is this possible,  are we as a society all just tuned into every sporting event available?  I question the accuracy of these claims, why do you take this so personal, I am not questioning your sexuality.



lol, just my point of view. It comes off harsher in writing. 

Advertisers don't question the ratings. They pay a lot of money and its based off those metrics. Why you don't that is what I'm saying because you don't have any reason to. 
End of story.

p.s. I'm wearing this to brunch today:




that color will go well with your eyes.


lol, you flatterer you....

#18 · Mar 25, 3:54 AM
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So they banned it! On our way to flag football. NFL tackle football is the king of sports. Hopefully it's evolution won't lead to it's eventual destruction.

#19 · Mar 25, 11:02 AM
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Rule changes like this make you question how wise it is to even invest high draft picks into defensive players these days. Sure the best of the best are still worth the price but is the best CB in a draft worth what the best WR can give you this season. The next? Or the next? Rules are getting harder by the year on defenders. What little leeway they still have might be stripped away by the time their rookie deal is up. It’s not the only reason, but I do think there’s a safety in drafting offense right now— especially WR and QB. 

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@"PurplePastor" said: How do you breathe in those things?
I have no idea but it would probably stink too because you get sweaty, sweat and plastic/rubber is not a good mix
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