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I still think Minnesota won't move up before #4 or #5.

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Washington and New England both need QBs. I don't see either moving from their picks. And if Marvin Harrison Jr. is there for Arizona at #4, they'll pull the trigger. JMO, but its still #5 and Los Angeles that continues to make the most sense for me. And I don't think that'll happen until during the Draft, so the Vikings are 100% certain which QBs remain. And if whomever their dude is isn't there, they'll hold tight at #11. 

I know the Internet is on fire with rumors and inside 'sources' to the contrary of what I'm saying. Many think a handshake deal is already in place. I've meandered off this thought a few times the last week or so, but I keep landing firmly back on this opinion (the #5 spot). 

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@"StickyBun" said:
@"MaroonBells" said: Today's tea leaves say Maye or Mac goes to Washington at #2, the other goes at #3 to either New England or Minnesota. QB4 could be Daniels and he could drop out of the top 10. 

Tune in tomorrow for Tomorrow's Tea Leaves... 


Yes, further today's tea leaves: Arizona is willing to trade out of #4. 


As well they should. I think this will end up being Maye or McCarthy at this pick. 

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Should be a wild draft at the top. QB desperate teams 

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QBOTF Needy teams Jets, Falcons, Giants?

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@"Bullazin" said: Should be a wild draft at the top. QB desperate teams 

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QBOTF Needy teams Jets, Falcons, Giants?

Add LAR as a team looking for their QBOTF as Stafford is 38 years old. Possibly Seattle also as Geno is in the last year of his contract. They just traded for Sam Howell who they might or might not view as their QBOTF.

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In an attempt to squash doubts about his quarterback's weight, LSU head coach Brian Kelly may have telegraphed that Daniels will be the 2024 NFL Draft's second overall pick by the Commanders. Or, it may have been an honest mistake after spending plenty of time talking at the pro day with Washington head coach Dan Quinn, offensive coordinator Kliff Kingsbury and general manger Adam Peters. 
"He is going to be so committed to taking care of himself that you're not going to have to worry about size or he doesn't weigh enough," Kelly said. "Lamar has done a pretty good job with his size. Mahomes I wouldn't consider him a giant. Because he is going to get the ball out to the playmakers and make plays. For Washington."

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@"StickyBun" said: In an attempt to squash doubts about his quarterback's weight, LSU head coach Brian Kelly may have telegraphed that Daniels will be the 2024 NFL Draft's second overall pick by the Commanders. Or, it may have been an honest mistake after spending plenty of time talking at the pro day with Washington head coach Dan Quinn, offensive coordinator Kliff Kingsbury and general manger Adam Peters.  "He is going to be so committed to taking care of himself that you're not going to have to worry about size or he doesn't weigh enough," Kelly said. "Lamar has done a pretty good job with his size. Mahomes I wouldn't consider him a giant. Because he is going to get the ball out to the playmakers and make plays. For Washington."


Daniels is -130 to go 2nd at one of my outs.  Drake Maye +200.

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@"Bullazin" said: Should be a wild draft at the top. QB desperate teams 

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broncos
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QBOTF Needy teams Jets, Falcons, Giants?

Add LAR as a team looking for their QBOTF as Stafford is 38 years old. Possibly Seattle also as Geno is in the last year of his contract. They just traded for Sam Howell who they might or might not view as their QBOTF.



considering the noise out of NY and that they are sending a contingent around to QB pro days... I think its growing more likely that we will have to jump them to get our choice of the top 4 QBs,  or they are making it look like they are all in on a QB in order to get another QB hungry team to jump them so a better non QB prospect falls to them?  I suspect they have seen enough of Danny Jones and are looking to draft a parachute.

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@"Bullazin" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
@"MaroonBells" said: Today's tea leaves say Maye or Mac goes to Washington at #2, the other goes at #3 to either New England or Minnesota. QB4 could be Daniels and he could drop out of the top 10. 

Tune in tomorrow for Tomorrow's Tea Leaves... 


Yes, further today's tea leaves: Arizona is willing to trade out of #4. 


As well they should. I think this will end up being Maye or McCarthy at this pick. 


Probably McCarthy. IMO, he'll be the 4th QB taken despite the recent and latest hype.

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@"StickyBun" said: In an attempt to squash doubts about his quarterback's weight, LSU head coach Brian Kelly may have telegraphed that Daniels will be the 2024 NFL Draft's second overall pick by the Commanders. Or, it may have been an honest mistake after spending plenty of time talking at the pro day with Washington head coach Dan Quinn, offensive coordinator Kliff Kingsbury and general manger Adam Peters.  "He is going to be so committed to taking care of himself that you're not going to have to worry about size or he doesn't weigh enough," Kelly said. "Lamar has done a pretty good job with his size. Mahomes I wouldn't consider him a giant. Because he is going to get the ball out to the playmakers and make plays. For Washington."


Daniels to Washington sounds pretty nailed down. Draft starts at pick 3. Will it be Mac or Maye? And will it be New England or Minnesota making it?

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If you have access to The Athletic, there's a pretty thorough analysis of the Patriots' various trade down options. The Pats can trade down and still take a QB at 11 or 23. Or, after trading with the Vikings, they could package picks to move back up from 11 to 4 for one of the top 4 QBs. 

Baumgardner: From a here-and-now football sense, my opinion is that the Patriots need to move off No. 3 and make sure they’re ready for a rookie quarterback next year. Maybe they already believe they are — I’ve seen worse roster situations for a first-year head coach/GM duo.
Graff: If the quarterback that the Patriots favor — we still don’t know for sure if that’s Maye or Daniels, although the guess here is Maye — slips to them at No. 3, I think they’re taking that guy and hanging up the phones, even if Minnesota makes a massive offer.
Their scenario gets more interesting if Washington takes New England’s preferred quarterback at No. 2. At that point, I think moving back would become more of an option, albeit still an unlikely one.
Of these, I think I like the trade back up to No. 4 to land McCarthy best. That scenario gets them one of the top quarterbacks in this draft and adds another first-round pick. That would be quite the move, and it would require a lot of faith that Wolf could maneuver the draft board that well.
https://theathletic.com/5372514/2024/03/28/patriots-mock-draft-trade-jj-mccarthy-drake-maye/?source=emp_shared_article

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NFL execs agree with me. New England should trade down. 

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I really hope we stand pat and keep 2 first round picks. Penix or McCarthy could drop to 11 and either one would be fine with me.

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@"MaroonBells" said: NFL execs agree with me. New England should trade down. 


They should trade down, but if I were in their shoes going back to #11 is too far. From what I've heard in the past week or so, teams at the top of the draft want to stay in the top 5. If MN has a preferred QB they may need to secure a top 5 picks and then work with the teams in front of them to jockey for position. 

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@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@"MaroonBells" said: NFL execs agree with me. New England should trade down. 


They should trade down, but if I were in their shoes going back to #11 is too far. From what I've heard in the past week or so, teams at the top of the draft want to stay in the top 5. If MN has a preferred QB they may need to secure a top 5 picks and then work with the teams in front of them to jockey for position. 


That would make sense. Just seems like it would be an awful lot of maneuvering and compensation given up to make a move into the top 3 work. I think the Vikings know this and that's why we are now getting the "we are prepared to go into next season with Sam Darnold as our starter and look towards 2025" line. 

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@"supafreak84" said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@"MaroonBells" said: NFL execs agree with me. New England should trade down. 


They should trade down, but if I were in their shoes going back to #11 is too far. From what I've heard in the past week or so, teams at the top of the draft want to stay in the top 5. If MN has a preferred QB they may need to secure a top 5 picks and then work with the teams in front of them to jockey for position. 


That would make sense. Just seems like it would be an awful lot of maneuvering and compensation given up to make a move into the top 3 work. I think the Vikings know this and that's why we are now getting the "we are prepared to go into next season with Sam Darnold as our starter and look towards 2025" line. 


Two years in a row of not getting their young, promising, first contract QB? That would not make me happy...

I am starting to think 11 and 23 may be "no mans land."

Not be ideal for trying to maneuver into top 5. 

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@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@"MaroonBells" said: NFL execs agree with me. New England should trade down. 


They should trade down, but if I were in their shoes going back to #11 is too far. From what I've heard in the past week or so, teams at the top of the draft want to stay in the top 5. If MN has a preferred QB they may need to secure a top 5 picks and then work with the teams in front of them to jockey for position. 


If I'm the Patriots, I take what is likely to be a godfather offer from the desperate Vikings, then just sit there and see how the QBs fall. I can trade back into the 5-10 range, I can take one at 11, take one at 23 or even take one on day two to compete with Brissett. In some ways, their situation isn't as desperate as the Vikings. Vikings have a shiny sports car awaiting a driver. Patriots haven't built the car yet.  

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@"MaroonBells" said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@"MaroonBells" said: NFL execs agree with me. New England should trade down. 


They should trade down, but if I were in their shoes going back to #11 is too far. From what I've heard in the past week or so, teams at the top of the draft want to stay in the top 5. If MN has a preferred QB they may need to secure a top 5 picks and then work with the teams in front of them to jockey for position. 


If I'm the Patriots, I take what is likely to be a godfather offer from the desperate Vikings, then just sit there and see how the QBs fall. I can trade back into the 5-10 range, I can take one at 11, take one at 23 or even take one on day two to compete with Brissett. In some ways, their situation isn't as desperate as the Vikings. Vikings have a shiny sports car awaiting a driver. Patriots haven't built the car yet.  


To be most reasonable, Pro’s should never get desperate.  Yes, Fans are desperate, including me.  Yes, Vegas has us at 7 wins.

 What the hell is wrong with Bo Nix at 11(even though I am not that keen on him and who knows, the Jets or Broncs may be). 

BFlo is gonna BFlo. We have 2 all world OT’s and serviceable G’s.  I would upgrade the IOL and IDL in the draft if that is the best reasonable options, and there will be good options at 11 and 23. 
I’ve said it 10 times over, build this effer from the inside out there are Keenum’s available every year until you get the QB you want. 

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@"Bullazin" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@"MaroonBells" said: NFL execs agree with me. New England should trade down. 


They should trade down, but if I were in their shoes going back to #11 is too far. From what I've heard in the past week or so, teams at the top of the draft want to stay in the top 5. If MN has a preferred QB they may need to secure a top 5 picks and then work with the teams in front of them to jockey for position. 


If I'm the Patriots, I take what is likely to be a godfather offer from the desperate Vikings, then just sit there and see how the QBs fall. I can trade back into the 5-10 range, I can take one at 11, take one at 23 or even take one on day two to compete with Brissett. In some ways, their situation isn't as desperate as the Vikings. Vikings have a shiny sports car awaiting a driver. Patriots haven't built the car yet.  


To be most reasonable, Pro’s should never get desperate.  Yes, Fans are desperate, including me.  Yes, Vegas has us at 7 wins.

 What the hell is wrong with Bo Nix at 11(even though I am not that keen on him and who knows, the Jets or Broncs may be). 

BFlo is gonna BFlo. We have 2 all world OT’s and serviceable G’s.  I would upgrade the IOL and IDL in the draft if that is the best reasonable options, and there will be good options at 11 and 23. 
I’ve said it 10 times over, build this effer from the inside out there are Keenum’s available every year until you get the QB you want. 



Vikings Job 1: study QBs, identify QB, go get QB. That's the process; trust the process. I don't think the Vikings are all that interested in settling for 2nd best. Or in this case, 5th or 6th best. 

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Kwesi gonna get fleeced again, I can feel it in my bones.

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@"comet52" said: Kwesi gonna get fleeced again, I can feel it in my bones.
Honestly, I hope so. Getting fleeced and getting the QB we want versus getting QB6 at 11 or rolling with Darnold. Which option would make you more excited for the upcoming season/the future? I know what I'd choose. If the QB busts and we have no early picks for the next year or 2 we're gonna be last in the north. Guess what-- we're gonna be last in the north with Darnold probably anyway.
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