Kipers new Mock

I dont think anyone wants JJ gone.  He is gonna test the market, fine, you need to pay him his money.  Problem may be he wants to reset the market money wise AND term wise.  

Now thats a problem if true and you dont just hand him the bag, it would be dumb business.  Most likely it will get done, but never say never is dumb.  

Hes not getting traded anyway without a new deal in place Soooo.  

@"Bullazin" said: I dont think anyone wants JJ gone.  He is gonna test the market, fine, you need to pay him his money.  Problem may be he wants to reset the market money wise AND term wise.  

Now thats a problem if true and you dont just hand him the bag, it would be dumb business.  Most likely it will get done, but never say never is dumb.  

Hes not getting traded anyway without a new deal in place Soooo.  

@"supafreak84" said:

@"Bullazin" said: I dont think anyone wants JJ gone.  He is gonna test the market, fine, you need to pay him his money.  Problem may be he wants to reset the market money wise AND term wise.  

Now thats a problem if true and you dont just hand him the bag, it would be dumb business.  Most likely it will get done, but never say never is dumb.  

Hes not getting traded anyway without a new deal in place Soooo.  

Yes nobody wants him gone, but if the only we you can acquire the franchise QB we want and need is by trading Jefferson, I think that has to be a legitimate conversation at this point. All options have to be on the table 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"Bullazin" said: I dont think anyone wants JJ gone.  He is gonna test the market, fine, you need to pay him his money.  Problem may be he wants to reset the market money wise AND term wise.  

Now thats a problem if true and you dont just hand him the bag, it would be dumb business.  Most likely it will get done, but never say never is dumb.  

Hes not getting traded anyway without a new deal in place Soooo.  

Yes nobody wants him gone, but if the only we you can acquire the franchise QB we want and need is by trading Jefferson, I think that has to be a legitimate conversation at this point. All options have to be on the table 

I don't think trading the 24 year old best WRer in the NFL should be on the table for any unknown quantity. This angst that some fans have over paying a premier player money is just weird. 

Shit, I’m still pissed they traded Randy, what the hell do I know…!?  :s  boy, sure seems some really want to take the “competitive” out of this rebuild!  :s 

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"Bullazin" said: I dont think anyone wants JJ gone.  He is gonna test the market, fine, you need to pay him his money.  Problem may be he wants to reset the market money wise AND term wise.  

Now thats a problem if true and you dont just hand him the bag, it would be dumb business.  Most likely it will get done, but never say never is dumb.  

Hes not getting traded anyway without a new deal in place Soooo.  

Yes nobody wants him gone, but if the only we you can acquire the franchise QB we want and need is by trading Jefferson, I think that has to be a legitimate conversation at this point. All options have to be on the table 

I don't think trading the 24 year old best WRer in the NFL should be on the table for any unknown quantity. This angst that some fans have over paying a premier player money is just weird. 

We can pay him and I don't think anybody thinks he's not deserving, but if we don't have a QB and get the one we want...what's the point? We've done this with premier skill position players FOR YEARS and haven't done shit because we didn't have a QB who could get us over the hump. Let's actually fix that for a change and if the cost is moving Jefferson to acquire the draft capital to do it, why wouldn't you? Especially in light of the strange contract negotiations 

You improve the chances of a rookie QB to succeed by surrounding him w/ premier players. Look no further than Purdy. Keep both JJ & CD.

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"Bullazin" said: I dont think anyone wants JJ gone.  He is gonna test the market, fine, you need to pay him his money.  Problem may be he wants to reset the market money wise AND term wise.  

Now thats a problem if true and you dont just hand him the bag, it would be dumb business.  Most likely it will get done, but never say never is dumb.  

Hes not getting traded anyway without a new deal in place Soooo.  

Yes nobody wants him gone, but if the only we you can acquire the franchise QB we want and need is by trading Jefferson, I think that has to be a legitimate conversation at this point. All options have to be on the table 

I don't think trading the 24 year old best WRer in the NFL should be on the table for any unknown quantity. This angst that some fans have over paying a premier player money is just weird. 

We can pay him and I don't think anybody thinks he's not deserving, but if we don't have a QB and get the one we want...what's the point? We've done this with premier skill position players FOR YEARS and haven't done shit because we didn't have a QB who could get us over the hump. Let's actually fix that for a change and if the cost is moving Jefferson to acquire the draft capital to do it, why wouldn't you? Especially in light of the strange contract negotiations 

The issue is there's no guarantees the swing for the QB will work. Its much easier to give up other draft compensation for a risky unknown quantity than give up a highly productive, premier elite talent known quantity like JJ at only 24 years old. That's just stupid. Its like exchanging gold for cryptocurrency. We wouldn't be getting Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning. We'd be getting Drake Maye or Jayden Daniels. Hell, we wouldn't even be getting Caleb Williams. Not sure how any of that would compute.

From GBN

Rumor du jour: Vikes, Pats close to swapping picks … Just a quick follow-up to yesterday’s story on the growing buzz surrounding Minnesota’s attempt to move up in the draft from the 11th pick overall to a position where they could get one of this year’s top QBs after acquiring an extra 1st from Houston, but there was a palpable buzz earlier today that the Vikings are ‘close’ to a deal with New England in which Minnesota would get the 3rd pick overall, presumably where they would select North Carolina QB Drake Maye, in exchange for a monster package of picks that could include the Vikings two first rounders this year and their #1 in
 2025.

So this is what I was referencing. Everybody good giving up this kind of picks package to move up? Also considering that the 2025 pick may very well be a top 5 or top 10 pick

@"supafreak84" said: From GBN

Rumor du jour: Vikes, Pats close to swapping picks … Just a quick follow-up to yesterday’s story on the growing buzz surrounding Minnesota’s attempt to move up in the draft from the 11th pick overall to a position where they could get one of this year’s top QBs after acquiring an extra 1st from Houston, but there was a palpable buzz earlier today that the Vikings are ‘close’ to a deal with New England in which Minnesota would get the 3rd pick overall, presumably where they would select North Carolina QB Drake Maye, in exchange for a monster package of picks that could include the Vikings two first rounders this year and their #1 in
 2025.

So this is what I was referencing. Everybody good giving up this kind of picks package to move up? Also considering that the 2025 pick may very well be a top 5 or top 10 pick

@"supafreak84" said: From GBN

Rumor du jour: Vikes, Pats close to swapping picks … Just a quick follow-up to yesterday’s story on the growing buzz surrounding Minnesota’s attempt to move up in the draft from the 11th pick overall to a position where they could get one of this year’s top QBs after acquiring an extra 1st from Houston, but there was a palpable buzz earlier today that the Vikings are ‘close’ to a deal with New England in which Minnesota would get the 3rd pick overall, presumably where they would select North Carolina QB Drake Maye, in exchange for a monster package of picks that could include the Vikings two first rounders this year and their #1 in
 2025.

So this is what I was referencing. Everybody good giving up this kind of picks package to move up? Also considering that the 2025 pick may very well be a top 5 or top 10 pick

Now like I said earlier, even if the player we take busts, we probably don't know that until the end of the 2025 season.  And if he busts, we're probably picking early in the 2026 draft where we'll have a first round pick again to take another shot.

If we hit on the QB I don't care about the draft capital. Next year they will be in a position to plug quite a few holes with younger free agents that have already proven they are players in the NFL.

The only reason JJM fell to us in Kiper's mock is that he doesn't include trades in his mocks. With both the Broncos and Raiders right behind us needing a QB I can't imagine 1 of them not jumping us if we stay at 11.  For that matter the Saints at 14 and Seahawks at 16 could get ambitious.  After that.... elevator shaft to the top of the 2nd.

@"supafreak84" said: From GBN

Rumor du jour: Vikes, Pats close to swapping picks … Just a quick follow-up to yesterday’s story on the growing buzz surrounding Minnesota’s attempt to move up in the draft from the 11th pick overall to a position where they could get one of this year’s top QBs after acquiring an extra 1st from Houston, but there was a palpable buzz earlier today that the Vikings are ‘close’ to a deal with New England in which Minnesota would get the 3rd pick overall, presumably where they would select North Carolina QB Drake Maye, in exchange for a monster package of picks that could include the Vikings two first rounders this year and their #1 in
 2025.

So this is what I was referencing. Everybody good giving up this kind of picks package to move up? Also considering that the 2025 pick may very well be a top 5 or top 10 pick

You said you need to swing for the fences to get a 'franchise QB'....this is how you do it. Its not about being ok with it as a fan, its just what has to happen if you want a top tier potential rookie QB. Its a big risk. Nobody's going to deny that. I'm still not convinced however that Minnesota is looking to move up that far.

#Patriots Director of College Scouting, Camren Williams, recently liked a very interesting tweet regarding QB Drake Maye.

This could mean nothing, but it is a very odd tweet for such a large figure in New England’s scouting department to like 👀

(h/t @Sports131738) pic.twitter.com/d2CM1nW2cM

— Carlos A. Lopez (@LosTalksPats) March 19, 2024

@"supafreak84" said: From GBN

Rumor du jour: Vikes, Pats close to swapping picks … Just a quick follow-up to yesterday’s story on the growing buzz surrounding Minnesota’s attempt to move up in the draft from the 11th pick overall to a position where they could get one of this year’s top QBs after acquiring an extra 1st from Houston, but there was a palpable buzz earlier today that the Vikings are ‘close’ to a deal with New England in which Minnesota would get the 3rd pick overall, presumably where they would select North Carolina QB Drake Maye, in exchange for a monster package of picks that could include the Vikings two first rounders this year and their #1 in
 2025.

So this is what I was referencing. Everybody good giving up this kind of picks package to move up? Also considering that the 2025 pick may very well be a top 5 or top 10 pick

@"supafreak84" said: From GBN

Rumor du jour: Vikes, Pats close to swapping picks … Just a quick follow-up to yesterday’s story on the growing buzz surrounding Minnesota’s attempt to move up in the draft from the 11th pick overall to a position where they could get one of this year’s top QBs after acquiring an extra 1st from Houston, but there was a palpable buzz earlier today that the Vikings are ‘close’ to a deal with New England in which Minnesota would get the 3rd pick overall, presumably where they would select North Carolina QB Drake Maye, in exchange for a monster package of picks that could include the Vikings two first rounders this year and their #1 in
 2025.

So this is what I was referencing. Everybody good giving up this kind of picks package to move up? Also considering that the 2025 pick may very well be a top 5 or top 10 pick

If the trade actually happens then this is the hill that this regime has chosen to die on. I do think that if they draft Maye or any QB in this draft that both KOC & Kwesi will be extended in order to give that QB adequate time to develop. But, no doubt if they swing & miss, it'll be the end for this regime.

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said: From GBN

Rumor du jour: Vikes, Pats close to swapping picks … Just a quick follow-up to yesterday’s story on the growing buzz surrounding Minnesota’s attempt to move up in the draft from the 11th pick overall to a position where they could get one of this year’s top QBs after acquiring an extra 1st from Houston, but there was a palpable buzz earlier today that the Vikings are ‘close’ to a deal with New England in which Minnesota would get the 3rd pick overall, presumably where they would select North Carolina QB Drake Maye, in exchange for a monster package of picks that could include the Vikings two first rounders this year and their #1 in
 2025.

So this is what I was referencing. Everybody good giving up this kind of picks package to move up? Also considering that the 2025 pick may very well be a top 5 or top 10 pick

Yep. It beats the shit out of giving up JJ in a trade. These are unknown quantities.....draft picks that get squandered every single year by most teams. You trade JJ and then you'll need to draft a WRer because it'll be a need pick, how dumb is that? Minnesota won't be drafting top 5 next year, lets not get dramatic. 

You said you need to swing for the fences to get a 'franchise QB'....this is how you do it. Its not about being ok with it as a fan, its just what has to happen if you want a top tier potential rookie QB. Its a big risk. Nobody's going to deny that. I'm still not convinced however that Minnesota is looking to move up that far.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said: From GBN

Rumor du jour: Vikes, Pats close to swapping picks … Just a quick follow-up to yesterday’s story on the growing buzz surrounding Minnesota’s attempt to move up in the draft from the 11th pick overall to a position where they could get one of this year’s top QBs after acquiring an extra 1st from Houston, but there was a palpable buzz earlier today that the Vikings are ‘close’ to a deal with New England in which Minnesota would get the 3rd pick overall, presumably where they would select North Carolina QB Drake Maye, in exchange for a monster package of picks that could include the Vikings two first rounders this year and their #1 in
 2025.

So this is what I was referencing. Everybody good giving up this kind of picks package to move up? Also considering that the 2025 pick may very well be a top 5 or top 10 pick

Absolutely. I'd even throw in a 3rd rounder if that's what it took. If you hit on a franchise QB and put him into one of the best surrounds in the NFL, and get to pay him peanuts for 4 years, nobody's going to give a damn about what it took to get him. 

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said: From GBN

Rumor du jour: Vikes, Pats close to swapping picks … Just a quick follow-up to yesterday’s story on the growing buzz surrounding Minnesota’s attempt to move up in the draft from the 11th pick overall to a position where they could get one of this year’s top QBs after acquiring an extra 1st from Houston, but there was a palpable buzz earlier today that the Vikings are ‘close’ to a deal with New England in which Minnesota would get the 3rd pick overall, presumably where they would select North Carolina QB Drake Maye, in exchange for a monster package of picks that could include the Vikings two first rounders this year and their #1 in
 2025.

So this is what I was referencing. Everybody good giving up this kind of picks package to move up? Also considering that the 2025 pick may very well be a top 5 or top 10 pick

Yep. It beats the shit out of giving up JJ in a trade. These are unknown quantities.....draft picks that get squandered every single year by most teams. You trade JJ and then you'll need to draft a WRer because it'll be a need pick, how dumb is that? Minnesota won't be drafting top 5 next year, lets not get dramatic. 

You said you need to swing for the fences to get a 'franchise QB'....this is how you do it. Its not about being ok with it as a fan, its just what has to happen if you want a top tier potential rookie QB. Its a big risk. Nobody's going to deny that. I'm still not convinced however that Minnesota is looking to move up that far.

I just think you have to be careful how you allocate that draft haul in a trade. Ask the Panthers, who also thought it was dramatic to think they'd be drafting in the top 5 again in 2024.  It happens, especially with a rookie QB. You give up that haul, you essentially are going to have a one player draft the next two seasons. If that player turns out to be Andrew Luck, great, if not....you are in deep deep doodoo.