Will Cousins be resigned? (SPOILER ALERT.... NO!)

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"comet52" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"comet52" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: Should they? Yes. Will they? I'm leaning towards no. 

If they should then why don't they?  Why didn't they last year when it would have been easier - no injury question (although noted physician Doctor Maroonbells tells me it's of no concern :p), no free agency competition, etc.

If it's the right move why won't they do it?  Just another Kwesi mistake?  Are they really going to blow this great opportunity over nitpicky contract details?  

Fyi, odds at DK pre-combine were around 75% Kirk returns to the Vikings.  Post-combine they have flipped to 60% he becomes a Falcon.

Because Kwesi has a rigid, specific financial vision for the team that does not include veteran QB money on the books in 2026.  And yes, I think this is a mistake. 

 

Maybe it's just Kwesi's way of slowly and softly dumping Kirk while making it look like it's Kirk's decision.   Kinda going the same route with Hunter imo.

Oh I think they truly want KC back, but it has to work within the plan fiscally. I dont think there is any vindictiveness to it.

I do agree with others that  KAM is probably being too rigid. He'll look like shit if KC has a great season in ATL while we struggle at bridge or with a rook that flames out 

 I have no idea how they'll stack the QB board, but if they have conviction over what we deem one of the top 4? They are going to have to find a partner to trade with, cause he wont last till 11. 

He won't just look like shit. He could be fired. I think the odds are high that if Cousins goes to Atlanta, he's going to play very well for them. They don't have our WRs, but they have everything else. Then the Vikings are left with the brutally poor odds of trying to find a comparable replacement in the draft. Could happen, but odds say it won't. 

I read a tweet this morning I agree with: "Not signing Kirk to a 3 year contract at 35 per, when that’s what he wanted last season is the Kwesi mistake that no one is talking about."

In retrospect that might be true.

Not too mention that by re-signing KC, they give themselves so much more freedom in the draft for an Edge with their #1 pick. 

 They lose Cousins and everyone and their brother knows what the Vikings want to do and moving-up will be that much tougher (and expensive). 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"comet52" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"comet52" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: Should they? Yes. Will they? I'm leaning towards no. 

If they should then why don't they?  Why didn't they last year when it would have been easier - no injury question (although noted physician Doctor Maroonbells tells me it's of no concern :p), no free agency competition, etc.

If it's the right move why won't they do it?  Just another Kwesi mistake?  Are they really going to blow this great opportunity over nitpicky contract details?  

Fyi, odds at DK pre-combine were around 75% Kirk returns to the Vikings.  Post-combine they have flipped to 60% he becomes a Falcon.

Because Kwesi has a rigid, specific financial vision for the team that does not include veteran QB money on the books in 2026.  And yes, I think this is a mistake. 

 

Maybe it's just Kwesi's way of slowly and softly dumping Kirk while making it look like it's Kirk's decision.   Kinda going the same route with Hunter imo.

Oh I think they truly want KC back, but it has to work within the plan fiscally. I dont think there is any vindictiveness to it.

I do agree with others that  KAM is probably being too rigid. He'll look like shit if KC has a great season in ATL while we struggle at bridge or with a rook that flames out 

 I have no idea how they'll stack the QB board, but if they have conviction over what we deem one of the top 4? They are going to have to find a partner to trade with, cause he wont last till 11. 

He won't just look like shit. He could be fired. I think the odds are high that if Cousins goes to Atlanta, he's going to play very well for them. They don't have our WRs, but they have everything else. Then the Vikings are left with the brutally poor odds of trying to find a comparable replacement in the draft. Could happen, but odds say it won't. 

I read a tweet this morning I agree with: "Not signing Kirk to a 3 year contract at 35 per, when that’s what he wanted last season is the Kwesi mistake that no one is talking about."

A source that knows Kirk Cousins very well “shot down” the recent reports of him seriously considering moving his family to Atlanta, @DWolfsonKSTP mentioned on @SKORNorth.

This isn’t ruling out the end game of Cousins joining the #Falcons, but it being a done deal seems to be… pic.twitter.com/VXDn6Q0S7E

— VikingzFanPage (@vikingzfanpage) March 5, 2024

Tick tock.....

"If the #Vikings don't sign Kirk Cousins before March 13, they'll incur $28.5M in dead money from previous restructures on their 2024 salary cap. "

"I read a tweet this morning I agree with: "Not signing Kirk to a 3 year contract at 35 per, when that’s what he wanted last season is the Kwesi mistake that no one is talking about."

The irony of this premise is fans and pundits alike were shitting on the idea of spending that much on KC last offseason.  Had Kwesi done that deal, a deal that people were lauding as bad to begin with, and then KC had his injury he would have been destroyed. And now here we are with the benefit of hindsight saying Kwesi should have done that deal. In other words damned if you do damned if you dont.

@"bigbone62" said: "I read a tweet this morning I agree with: "Not signing Kirk to a 3 year contract at 35 per, when that’s what he wanted last season is the Kwesi mistake that no one is talking about."

The irony of this premise is fans and pundits alike were shitting on the idea of spending that much on KC last offseason.  Had Kwesi done that deal, a deal that people were lauding as bad to begin with, and then KC had his injury he would have been destroyed. And now here we are with the benefit of hindsight saying Kwesi should have done that deal. In other words damned if you do damned if you dont.

@"bigbone62" said: "I read a tweet this morning I agree with: "Not signing Kirk to a 3 year contract at 35 per, when that’s what he wanted last season is the Kwesi mistake that no one is talking about."

The irony of this premise is fans and pundits alike were shitting on the idea of spending that much on KC last offseason.  Had Kwesi done that deal, a deal that people were lauding as bad to begin with, and then KC had his injury he would have been destroyed. And now here we are with the benefit of hindsight saying Kwesi should have done that deal. In other words damned if you do damned if you dont.

It could just be their natural tendency to spout shit, something they both excel at.  But maybe it's just the reality that they don't care that much about getting him back, they may actually be excited about a new direction.  Early on in the regime the answers were a little different.  There wasn't a contract question at the time so it didn't go that direction.  But they both gave similar caveats.  We like the guy, but...   It was clear they had issues with him of some sort.  And/or they were long-term planning to ditch him.

But I honestly think these guys want to draft and develop a star qb and build this franchise the way they envisioned, not just run back the old .500 Rick regime over and over, and this is the year with the best opportunity they might ever get.   As lazy as the Wilfs are at moving on from failure to succeed, KOC/KAM can't necessarily bank on that and figure they'll have jobs for as long as they like without any real achievement.

@"comet52" said:

@"bigbone62" said: "I read a tweet this morning I agree with: "Not signing Kirk to a 3 year contract at 35 per, when that’s what he wanted last season is the Kwesi mistake that no one is talking about."

The irony of this premise is fans and pundits alike were shitting on the idea of spending that much on KC last offseason.  Had Kwesi done that deal, a deal that people were lauding as bad to begin with, and then KC had his injury he would have been destroyed. And now here we are with the benefit of hindsight saying Kwesi should have done that deal. In other words damned if you do damned if you dont.

Thing is, KAM/KOC have given lots of interview s where they say oh yes we want him back.  But then the caveats always start.  It's never we want Kirk and that's our goal, we're working our butts off to make it happen end of story.  Always there are a bunch of "buts" added on by both guys.  

It could just be their natural tendency to spout shit, something they both excel at.  But maybe it's just the reality that they don't care that much about getting him back, they may actually be excited about a new direction.  Early on in the regime the answers were a little different.  There wasn't a contract question at the time so it didn't go that direction.  But they both gave similar caveats.  We like the guy, but...   It was clear they had issues with him of some sort.  And/or they were long-term planning to ditch him.

But I honestly think these guys want to draft and develop a star qb and build this franchise the way they envisioned, not just run back the old .500 Rick regime over and over, and this is the year with the best opportunity they might ever get.   As lazy as the Wilfs are at moving on from failure to succeed, KOC/KAM can't necessarily bank on that and figure they'll have jobs for as long as they like without any real achievement.

@"Wetlander" said:

@"comet52" said:

@"bigbone62" said: "I read a tweet this morning I agree with: "Not signing Kirk to a 3 year contract at 35 per, when that’s what he wanted last season is the Kwesi mistake that no one is talking about."

The irony of this premise is fans and pundits alike were shitting on the idea of spending that much on KC last offseason.  Had Kwesi done that deal, a deal that people were lauding as bad to begin with, and then KC had his injury he would have been destroyed. And now here we are with the benefit of hindsight saying Kwesi should have done that deal. In other words damned if you do damned if you dont.

Thing is, KAM/KOC have given lots of interview s where they say oh yes we want him back.  But then the caveats always start.  It's never we want Kirk and that's our goal, we're working our butts off to make it happen end of story.  Always there are a bunch of "buts" added on by both guys.  

It could just be their natural tendency to spout shit, something they both excel at.  But maybe it's just the reality that they don't care that much about getting him back, they may actually be excited about a new direction.  Early on in the regime the answers were a little different.  There wasn't a contract question at the time so it didn't go that direction.  But they both gave similar caveats.  We like the guy, but...   It was clear they had issues with him of some sort.  And/or they were long-term planning to ditch him.

But I honestly think these guys want to draft and develop a star qb and build this franchise the way they envisioned, not just run back the old .500 Rick regime over and over, and this is the year with the best opportunity they might ever get.   As lazy as the Wilfs are at moving on from failure to succeed, KOC/KAM can't necessarily bank on that and figure they'll have jobs for as long as they like without any real achievement.

I don't know that I would lump Kevin O'Connell in with that.  Up until just recently, he was "I love Kirk, he was one of the main reasons I wanted to be the HC of the Minnesota Vikings, etc.". I think he genuinely loves Kirk the player, the leader, and is impressed with how he can run his offense.  However, the coaches don't get final say on re-signing guys, that's the front office folks.

I think Kwesi is in the same boat as Kevin (loves Kirk the player), but where they differ is Kwesi wants him back with the ability to get out of a deal earlier than Kirk wants.  I'm guessing the big hang up isn't dollars, it's the front office only wants to guarantee 1 or 2 years (or do 3 but remove the no trade clause) so it's more palatable to move on if/when they find a QBotF or Kirk starts hitting age related decline.

I'm guessing Kevin has realized the Vikings front office isn't budging and it's not a guarantee that Kirk is back.  We'll see if either side caves but I'm 99% sure Kevin O'Connell would do jumping jacks and cartwheels around US Bank if Kirk is back in purple.

@"comet52" said:

@"bigbone62" said: "I read a tweet this morning I agree with: "Not signing Kirk to a 3 year contract at 35 per, when that’s what he wanted last season is the Kwesi mistake that no one is talking about."

The irony of this premise is fans and pundits alike were shitting on the idea of spending that much on KC last offseason.  Had Kwesi done that deal, a deal that people were lauding as bad to begin with, and then KC had his injury he would have been destroyed. And now here we are with the benefit of hindsight saying Kwesi should have done that deal. In other words damned if you do damned if you dont.

Thing is, KAM/KOC have given lots of interview s where they say oh yes we want him back.  But then the caveats always start.  It's never we want Kirk and that's our goal, we're working our butts off to make it happen end of story.  Always there are a bunch of "buts" added on by both guys.  

It could just be their natural tendency to spout shit, something they both excel at.  But maybe it's just the reality that they don't care that much about getting him back, they may actually be excited about a new direction.  Early on in the regime the answers were a little different.  There wasn't a contract question at the time so it didn't go that direction.  But they both gave similar caveats.  We like the guy, but...   It was clear they had issues with him of some sort.  And/or they were long-term planning to ditch him.

But I honestly think these guys want to draft and develop a star qb and build this franchise the way they envisioned, not just run back the old .500 Rick regime over and over, and this is the year with the best opportunity they might ever get.   As lazy as the Wilfs are at moving on from failure to succeed, KOC/KAM can't necessarily bank on that and figure they'll have jobs for as long as they like without any real achievement.

@"bigbone62" said:

@"comet52" said:

@"bigbone62" said: "I read a tweet this morning I agree with: "Not signing Kirk to a 3 year contract at 35 per, when that’s what he wanted last season is the Kwesi mistake that no one is talking about."

The irony of this premise is fans and pundits alike were shitting on the idea of spending that much on KC last offseason.  Had Kwesi done that deal, a deal that people were lauding as bad to begin with, and then KC had his injury he would have been destroyed. And now here we are with the benefit of hindsight saying Kwesi should have done that deal. In other words damned if you do damned if you dont.

Thing is, KAM/KOC have given lots of interview s where they say oh yes we want him back.  But then the caveats always start.  It's never we want Kirk and that's our goal, we're working our butts off to make it happen end of story.  Always there are a bunch of "buts" added on by both guys.  

It could just be their natural tendency to spout shit, something they both excel at.  But maybe it's just the reality that they don't care that much about getting him back, they may actually be excited about a new direction.  Early on in the regime the answers were a little different.  There wasn't a contract question at the time so it didn't go that direction.  But they both gave similar caveats.  We like the guy, but...   It was clear they had issues with him of some sort.  And/or they were long-term planning to ditch him.

But I honestly think these guys want to draft and develop a star qb and build this franchise the way they envisioned, not just run back the old .500 Rick regime over and over, and this is the year with the best opportunity they might ever get.   As lazy as the Wilfs are at moving on from failure to succeed, KOC/KAM can't necessarily bank on that and figure they'll have jobs for as long as they like without any real achievement.

In other words KAM was doing what every GM in sports does with a pending free agent of this caliber that they want back but dependent on terms. This is some pretty entry level negotiation tactics everyone does that you're talking up as KAM somehow shitting his pants 

When you go to buy a new car do you step on lot and approach each sales person to tell them how desperately you want one car and that you can't get it elsewhere? Or do you make it clear you're very interested in a deal but that this dealership ain't the only fish in the sea? 

Starting to see quite a few players on other teams get re-signed. Now or never, Vikes. Whatchya gonna do?

@"pattersaur" said: Starting to see quite a few players on other teams get re-signed. Now or never, Vikes. Whatchya gonna do?

They've only made a decision on 1 player that I know of and that was to cut Mattison.  They have 25 other FAs.  Thats a ton of turnover if they don't get after it here.  I think all of them saw playing time.  Several starters. 

I would have to think that it means they're working on Kirk and/or Hunter to figure out whats left.

@"AGRforever" said:

@"pattersaur" said: Starting to see quite a few players on other teams get re-signed. Now or never, Vikes. Whatchya gonna do?

They've only made a decision on 1 player that I know of and that was to cut Mattison.  They have 25 other FAs.  Thats a ton of turnover if they don't get after it here.  I think all of them saw playing time.  Several starters. 

I would have to think that it means they're working on Kirk and/or Hunter to figure out whats left.

@"bigbone62" said:

@"comet52" said:

@"bigbone62" said: "I read a tweet this morning I agree with: "Not signing Kirk to a 3 year contract at 35 per, when that’s what he wanted last season is the Kwesi mistake that no one is talking about."

The irony of this premise is fans and pundits alike were shitting on the idea of spending that much on KC last offseason.  Had Kwesi done that deal, a deal that people were lauding as bad to begin with, and then KC had his injury he would have been destroyed. And now here we are with the benefit of hindsight saying Kwesi should have done that deal. In other words damned if you do damned if you dont.

Thing is, KAM/KOC have given lots of interview s where they say oh yes we want him back.  But then the caveats always start.  It's never we want Kirk and that's our goal, we're working our butts off to make it happen end of story.  Always there are a bunch of "buts" added on by both guys.  

It could just be their natural tendency to spout shit, something they both excel at.  But maybe it's just the reality that they don't care that much about getting him back, they may actually be excited about a new direction.  Early on in the regime the answers were a little different.  There wasn't a contract question at the time so it didn't go that direction.  But they both gave similar caveats.  We like the guy, but...   It was clear they had issues with him of some sort.  And/or they were long-term planning to ditch him.

But I honestly think these guys want to draft and develop a star qb and build this franchise the way they envisioned, not just run back the old .500 Rick regime over and over, and this is the year with the best opportunity they might ever get.   As lazy as the Wilfs are at moving on from failure to succeed, KOC/KAM can't necessarily bank on that and figure they'll have jobs for as long as they like without any real achievement.

In other words KAM was doing what every GM in sports does with a pending free agent of this caliber that they want back but dependent on terms. This is some pretty entry level negotiation tactics everyone does that you're talking up as KAM somehow shitting his pants 

When you go to buy a new car do you step on lot and approach each sales person to tell them how desperately you want one car and that you can't get it elsewhere? Or do you make it clear you're very interested in a deal but that this dealership ain't the only fish in the sea? 

I disagree with most takes here. 

First, I don’t see KOC as attached to Kwesi at all, not even a little bit. Kwesi is responsible for the roster. He’s responsible for the dumpster fire that was 2022 round 1. 

Cousins contract should have been done last year. I don’t think his injury would have had freaking out. We’d simply be waiting for progress reports and discussing drafting his successor this draft. Not signing him showed me fear, not logic. It wasn’t a diffuclt decision and still isn’t. 

The liklihood KAM will get a better deal with Cousins after free agency is zero. His best time was a month ago. Cousins is already hearing numbers and they are going up, not down. He took an undervalued contract on his last one. He likely wants to know he won’t be dumped after a year which should be of no shock to anyone after KAM played this game last time. At his age, he just wants to be where he’s wanted and has some peace knowing his situation going forward. Anyone in his position would want exactly the same thing. 

Unless he can swing Russ Wilson and he plays well, this will be a massive failure on Kwesi’s part. The Wilf’s love Cousins and I wouldn’t be surprised if this puts KAM on the hot seat. It will be a spot he has earned. 

The fact that the team is facing a huge dead cap hit was created by Kwesi. I thought it was stupid at the time and still do. 

Cousins should already be signed and that position clear. It was number one priority for anyone who knows what they are doing. Draft a rookie in 1 and he also represents your go to if Cousins gets hurt. That rookie is on a rookie contract. This is the most important position on your tream by far. 

In my opinion, it’s pretty obvious KAM has done s poor job. 

@"Havoc1649" said: I disagree with most takes here. 

First, I don’t see KOC as attached to Kwesi at all, not even a little bit. Kwesi is responsible for the roster. He’s responsible for the dumpster fire that was 2022 round 1. 

Cousins contract should have been done last year. I don’t think his injury would have had freaking out. We’d simply be waiting for progress reports and discussing drafting his successor this draft. Not signing him showed me fear, not logic. It wasn’t a diffuclt decision and still isn’t. 

The liklihood KAM will get a better deal with Cousins after free agency is zero. His best time was a month ago. Cousins is already hearing numbers and they are going up, not down. He took an undervalued contract on his last one. He likely wants to know he won’t be dumped after a year which should be of no shock to anyone after KAM played this game last time. At his age, he just wants to be where he’s wanted and has some peace knowing his situation going forward. Anyone in his position would want exactly the same thing. 

Unless he can swing Russ Wilson and he plays well, this will be a massive failure on Kwesi’s part. The Wilf’s love Cousins and I wouldn’t be surprised if this puts KAM on the hot seat. It will be a spot he has earned. 

The fact that the team is facing a huge dead cap hit was created by Kwesi. I thought it was stupid at the time and still do. 

Cousins should already be signed and that position clear. It was number one priority for anyone who knows what they are doing. Draft a rookie in 1 and he also represents your go to if Cousins gets hurt. That rookie is on a rookie contract. This is the most important position on your tream by far. 

In my opinion, it’s pretty obvious KAM has done s poor job. 

Now that the rumor mill is truly chugging into weirdsville, I still think he'll be back...just because the whackos betting on the situation have Fields leading the odds as our starting QB next season.

Fields. Really?

The more bizarre the talk gets, the less of it is from the principals involved...so...if it ain't from Kirk, KAM, the Vikings, etc...I can't take much of it seriously.

@"Havoc1649" said: I disagree with most takes here. 

First, I don’t see KOC as attached to Kwesi at all, not even a little bit. Kwesi is responsible for the roster. He’s responsible for the dumpster fire that was 2022 round 1. 

Cousins contract should have been done last year. I don’t think his injury would have had freaking out. We’d simply be waiting for progress reports and discussing drafting his successor this draft. Not signing him showed me fear, not logic. It wasn’t a diffuclt decision and still isn’t. 

The liklihood KAM will get a better deal with Cousins after free agency is zero. His best time was a month ago. Cousins is already hearing numbers and they are going up, not down. He took an undervalued contract on his last one. He likely wants to know he won’t be dumped after a year which should be of no shock to anyone after KAM played this game last time. At his age, he just wants to be where he’s wanted and has some peace knowing his situation going forward. Anyone in his position would want exactly the same thing. 

Unless he can swing Russ Wilson and he plays well, this will be a massive failure on Kwesi’s part. The Wilf’s love Cousins and I wouldn’t be surprised if this puts KAM on the hot seat. It will be a spot he has earned. 

The fact that the team is facing a huge dead cap hit was created by Kwesi. I thought it was stupid at the time and still do. 

Cousins should already be signed and that position clear. It was number one priority for anyone who knows what they are doing. Draft a rookie in 1 and he also represents your go to if Cousins gets hurt. That rookie is on a rookie contract. This is the most important position on your tream by far. 

In my opinion, it’s pretty obvious KAM has done s poor job. 

Best take on here today thats for sure.  KAM has screwed the pooch on this one.  He 2 days left to unscrew the pooch. 

If they're planning on dumping Kirko, they should already have agreed to and announced their trade up in the draft for a rookie.  Otherwise they go into that negotiation needing a QB one we don't have.  Quite frankly, they should have re-signed Kirko AND traded for whichever QB they think they need.  They knew the QB position was going to be an issue and have known since last year.  Dumping your starter with no path is foolish at best and negligent at worst. 

If they had no intention of keeping Hunter they should have moved him as well prior to the deadline.  The moment Kirk's Achilles blew, we were done for the year.  
Hindsight is 20/20 but I'm getting off the KAM bandwagon.  KOC still seems like a fantastic head coach in the making.