Jeremiah Mock Draft 2.0

Daniels at 6 would be surprising to put it mildly...Not everyone sees it the same, but I can absolutely see top 4 gone well b4 pick 11. 

I mean, I guess it could happen like this. Its the NFL Draft, its always quirky. But there's also always a big surprise in the top 10 that the 'experts' miss, a guy they have ranked like mid or late 1st round or 2nd that NFL GMs love. The penchant for NFL teams to bag on their recently drafted QBs makes anything possible. 

My opinion however is that there is a Tier 1 (Williams, Maye and Daniels) and then a step down with QBs. A recent post quoted an article that said, "some teams think JJM is another Joe Burrow". I think that's a massive stretch. Go ahead and stare at something long enough and you can convince yourself of anything I guess. I've already mentioned I'm all in on JJM if he can sit behind Kirk Cousins....its perfect for a guy like McCarthy. But he's still raw and young and if there's no Kirk Cousins, I think it will be to his developmental detriment. 

@"purplefaithful" said: Daniels at 6 would be surprising to put it mildly...Not everyone sees it the same, but I can absolutely see top 4 gone well b4 pick 11. 

And I'm still in the boat that if it's not a QB than I would absolutely love the Dallas Turner pick 

I think he's spot on when he says Dejean feels like a Packer pick. Could see him doing well there.
I'll be heartbroken about the QBs if it plays out like this and we don't move up, but Turner would be a nice pick. Our pass rush stinks.

It appears McCarthy and Nix have switched places from DJ's 1.0 mock and his 2.0 mock. DJ does his big boards based on how he would personally rank them. But his mocks are based on what he's hearing from NFL sources. So it's pretty clear there are some teams who rank McCarthy very high. 

Now, I don't think that necessarily means he for sure goes in the top 10 (the teams who love him might pick later in the round), but it does mean there's a bigger risk in waiting on him if you don't know who those teams are and what they might be willing to give up to get him. 

In this scenario, New England is going the “veteran” route
at QB and skipping the rookie QB.  Which
veteran QB are they getting?  Is that
realistic?  Like would they really take a
Cousins or a Tannehill?  Are they
planning on those one of those two older guys being their long term starter for
like 5 years?  Are they going to help
them get just good enough to fall out of range of drafting their QBOTF whenever
that happens?  I just don’t see why New
England goes the veteran QB route and then doesn’t double down on getting a
young guy.  They aren’t really in win now
mode in my mind.

@"medaille" said: In this scenario, New England is going the “veteran” route at QB and skipping the rookie QB.  Which veteran QB are they getting?  Is that realistic?  Like would they really take a Cousins or a Tannehill?  Are they planning on those one of those two older guys being their long term starter for like 5 years?  Are they going to help them get just good enough to fall out of range of drafting their QBOTF whenever that happens?  I just don’t see why New England goes the veteran QB route and then doesn’t double down on getting a young guy.  They aren’t really in win now mode in my mind.

@"pattersaur" said:

@"medaille" said: In this scenario, New England is going the “veteran” route at QB and skipping the rookie QB.  Which veteran QB are they getting?  Is that realistic?  Like would they really take a Cousins or a Tannehill?  Are they planning on those one of those two older guys being their long term starter for like 5 years?  Are they going to help them get just good enough to fall out of range of drafting their QBOTF whenever that happens?  I just don’t see why New England goes the veteran QB route and then doesn’t double down on getting a young guy.  They aren’t really in win now mode in my mind.

I think they'll probably draft a QB like you said, but if they don't, they may not be as far off as it seems. The defense was average last year, the offense was putrid. Add Russell Wilson, Marvin Harrison Jr, and some free agents (they have loads of cap space), and if I squint hard enough I could see the path. With Rodgers back in NY next year their division does look very difficult. That more than anything might tilt them towards rebuilding rather than retooling.

@"medaille" said: In this scenario, New England is going the “veteran” route at QB and skipping the rookie QB.  Which veteran QB are they getting?  Is that realistic?  Like would they really take a Cousins or a Tannehill?  Are they planning on those one of those two older guys being their long term starter for like 5 years?  Are they going to help them get just good enough to fall out of range of drafting their QBOTF whenever that happens?  I just don’t see why New England goes the veteran QB route and then doesn’t double down on getting a young guy.  They aren’t really in win now mode in my mind.

@"supafreak84" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: Daniels at 6 would be surprising to put it mildly...Not everyone sees it the same, but I can absolutely see top 4 gone well b4 pick 11. 

If, big if...Kirk doesn't sign with us, you have to hope it's Atlanta to remove them from possibly drafting a QB as a team picking before us

If we don't get a QB for whatever reason Edge would make me the least unhappy.

In that scenario, I think the most likely move is a trade down for us, unfortunately even though we are drafting higher than we usually are in a year we need to take a QB at 11 it is likely there may not be a QB that we feel justifies that high of a pick.  Personally I think QB is the one position that you pick your guy wherever you need to even if it much higher than what you have them valued at.

Jeremiah's mock does not allow for trade-ups so that is why he has Jayden falling to the Giants at 6.  If Jayden is available at 3 (Pats), 4 (Cards), or 5 (Chargers) I do anything to move up and get him.  

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: Daniels at 6 would be surprising to put it mildly...Not everyone sees it the same, but I can absolutely see top 4 gone well b4 pick 11. 

If, big if...Kirk doesn't sign with us, you have to hope it's Atlanta to remove them from possibly drafting a QB as a team picking before us

why does that prevent them from going QB?   It shouldnt have prevented us from going QB after we drafted him, and shouldnt prevent them from taking a QB if they resign him ( well it should as they would be going all in and could use the pick better elsewhere,  but you get the drift.)

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: Daniels at 6 would be surprising to put it mildly...Not everyone sees it the same, but I can absolutely see top 4 gone well b4 pick 11. 

If, big if...Kirk doesn't sign with us, you have to hope it's Atlanta to remove them from possibly drafting a QB as a team picking before us

why does that prevent them from going QB?   It shouldnt have prevented us from going QB after we drafted him, and shouldnt prevent them from taking a QB if they resign him ( well it should as they would be going all in and could use the pick better elsewhere,  but you get the drift.)

Because what is going to move Cousins from Minnesota to Atlanta (or whoever) is term length. 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: Daniels at 6 would be surprising to put it mildly...Not everyone sees it the same, but I can absolutely see top 4 gone well b4 pick 11. 

If, big if...Kirk doesn't sign with us, you have to hope it's Atlanta to remove them from possibly drafting a QB as a team picking before us

why does that prevent them from going QB?   It shouldnt have prevented us from going QB after we drafted him, and shouldnt prevent them from taking a QB if they resign him ( well it should as they would be going all in and could use the pick better elsewhere,  but you get the drift.)

Because what is going to move Cousins from Minnesota to Atlanta (or whoever) is term length. 

and they are going to sign him to a contract that is longer than that of a first round rookie?  no way in hell,  despite your insistence that age is irrelevant,  Kirk is not going to last forever and every GM out there knows that he has a shelf life and should be ( should have been ) planning for his replacement already.  I would say its all about guaranteed money,  regardless of the length of contract,  and if ATL has the cap space and the team ready to contend,  why wouldnt they want to grab a QB to mentor under KC in the event the he isnt superman and is going to decline?

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: Daniels at 6 would be surprising to put it mildly...Not everyone sees it the same, but I can absolutely see top 4 gone well b4 pick 11. 

If, big if...Kirk doesn't sign with us, you have to hope it's Atlanta to remove them from possibly drafting a QB as a team picking before us

why does that prevent them from going QB?   It shouldnt have prevented us from going QB after we drafted him, and shouldnt prevent them from taking a QB if they resign him ( well it should as they would be going all in and could use the pick better elsewhere,  but you get the drift.)

Because what is going to move Cousins from Minnesota to Atlanta (or whoever) is term length. 

and they are going to sign him to a contract that is longer than that of a first round rookie?  no way in hell,  despite your insistence that age is irrelevant,  Kirk is not going to last forever and every GM out there knows that he has a shelf life and should be ( should have been ) planning for his replacement already.  I would say its all about guaranteed money,  regardless of the length of contract,  and if ATL has the cap space and the team ready to contend,  why wouldnt they want to grab a QB to mentor under KC in the event the he isnt superman and is going to decline?

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: Daniels at 6 would be surprising to put it mildly...Not everyone sees it the same, but I can absolutely see top 4 gone well b4 pick 11. 

If, big if...Kirk doesn't sign with us, you have to hope it's Atlanta to remove them from possibly drafting a QB as a team picking before us

why does that prevent them from going QB?   It shouldnt have prevented us from going QB after we drafted him, and shouldnt prevent them from taking a QB if they resign him ( well it should as they would be going all in and could use the pick better elsewhere,  but you get the drift.)

Because what is going to move Cousins from Minnesota to Atlanta (or whoever) is term length. 

and they are going to sign him to a contract that is longer than that of a first round rookie?  no way in hell,  despite your insistence that age is irrelevant,  Kirk is not going to last forever and every GM out there knows that he has a shelf life and should be ( should have been ) planning for his replacement already.  I would say its all about guaranteed money,  regardless of the length of contract,  and if ATL has the cap space and the team ready to contend,  why wouldnt they want to grab a QB to mentor under KC in the event the he isnt superman and is going to decline?

I don't know what you mean by a contract longer than that of a 1st round rookie. Am I misreading that? Or do you really think we're talking about 5 year deals here? 

Vikings are probably agreeable to 2 years. Cousins likely wants 3. Whoever is able to pull Cousins from Minnesota is going to do it by guaranteeing money in a 3rd year. If Atlanta signs Cousins for 3 years, it's extremely unlikely they're going to draft a QB at 8. 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: Daniels at 6 would be surprising to put it mildly...Not everyone sees it the same, but I can absolutely see top 4 gone well b4 pick 11. 

If, big if...Kirk doesn't sign with us, you have to hope it's Atlanta to remove them from possibly drafting a QB as a team picking before us

why does that prevent them from going QB?   It shouldnt have prevented us from going QB after we drafted him, and shouldnt prevent them from taking a QB if they resign him ( well it should as they would be going all in and could use the pick better elsewhere,  but you get the drift.)

Because what is going to move Cousins from Minnesota to Atlanta (or whoever) is term length. 

and they are going to sign him to a contract that is longer than that of a first round rookie?  no way in hell,  despite your insistence that age is irrelevant,  Kirk is not going to last forever and every GM out there knows that he has a shelf life and should be ( should have been ) planning for his replacement already.  I would say its all about guaranteed money,  regardless of the length of contract,  and if ATL has the cap space and the team ready to contend,  why wouldnt they want to grab a QB to mentor under KC in the event the he isnt superman and is going to decline?

I don't know what you mean by a contract longer than that of a 1st round rookie. Am I misreading that? Or do you really think we're talking about 5 year deals here? 

Vikings are probably agreeable to 2 years. Cousins likely wants 3. Whoever is able to pull Cousins from Minnesota is going to do it by guaranteeing money in a 3rd year. If Atlanta signs Cousins for 3 years, it's extremely unlikely they're going to draft a QB at 8. 

why wouldnt they?  If Cousins goes there and things go as planned,  there are not likely to be drafting at 8 again in the near future, so if you take a first round QB and get 3 cheap years and 2 higher cost years out of him,  and you only sign Kirk for 3 years... how does that not work out for a team that is only a QB away from contending ( sound familiar ? )?

point is,  having a starting QB shouldnt preclude a team from making a real investment in the future,  failure to do so is exactly why the Vikings are in the shit boat they currently are in.  If I am ATL and one of the young QBs sparks and interest and he is available ( even with a trade up ) then I would think that is a perfect scenario,  your QB of today has the team in contention,  while the QB of the future learns from him.  Would have been ideal for us if they had gotten after QBs a few years ago instead of drafting and trading picks for immediate enjoyment.