What happened in Vegas did not stay in Vegas.

Trade up to 4. Get it done. It's the only surefire way to get us a top 4 QB and possibly more importantly, it's the only way to regain any leverage in the Kirk negotiations, of which we currently have none.

@"pattersaur" said: Trade up to 4. Get it done. It's the only surefire way to get us a top 4 QB and possibly more importantly, it's the only way to regain any leverage in the Kirk negotiations, of which we currently have none.

Personally, I'd do both. But I think we'll see the Vikings trade to 3 or 4 at some point well before the draft. Of course they could get shut down again. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"pattersaur" said: Trade up to 4. Get it done. It's the only surefire way to get us a top 4 QB and possibly more importantly, it's the only way to regain any leverage in the Kirk negotiations, of which we currently have none.

Personally, I'd do both. But I think we'll see the Vikings trade to 3 or 4 at some point well before the draft. Of course they could get shut down again. 

IMO we should stay at 11. Most likely there will be a very good QB available.

@"HappyViking" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"pattersaur" said: Trade up to 4. Get it done. It's the only surefire way to get us a top 4 QB and possibly more importantly, it's the only way to regain any leverage in the Kirk negotiations, of which we currently have none.

Personally, I'd do both. But I think we'll see the Vikings trade to 3 or 4 at some point well before the draft. Of course they could get shut down again. 

Would they need to trade to 4th to get Nix or McCarthy? 

KAM cannot afford to roll the dice and lose again. If he values his job he won't even think of picking up the dice unless the odds are overly stacked in his favor.

@"FLVike" said: IMO we should stay at 11. Most likely there will be a very good QB available.

do you want to bet your future on your 5th or 6th choice of QBs?  Its very possible based on his first 2 drafts that KAM may not get a 2nd chance at drafting his QB.  If he has any conviction on a guy, and feels that guy may not be there at 11,  go get him IMO.  Still no guarantee that he will be there at 4,  but odds are a lot greater hes there at 4 than at 11... and if things dont fall how you want,  you can always trade back down, who knows,  maybe he takes that one pick in the first round, the number eleven pick. He sprinkles it with fairy dust, wishes upon a star, and somehow, he turns it into not one, not two, but three potentially impactful players for his team next year. One pick! 

Vegas is going to repond to what they are hearing. At this point, odds are just as high that what they are hearing is subterfuge. 

@"Havoc1649" said: Vegas is going to repond to what they are hearing. At this point, odds are just as high that what they are hearing is subterfuge. 

These odds didn't come from Vegas, they came from DK and FD online sportsbooks.  Odds aren't based on what some book is hearing, openers are a guestimate, later hammered into shape by money from bettors.   

At this point in the process there isn't much money in on these bets and I would not take them to mean anything at all.  They're strictly entertainment.  A bet by one sharp could move those odds and still mean literally nothing.  

Draft odds mostly have utility in the last 48 hours before the draft itself, with an occasional exception due to a leak somewhere.  The market isn't very liquid until the draft is close at hand.