What's your ideal scenario over the next 3 months?

@"supafreak84" said:

@"Kentis" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"Kentis" said: Kwazy dies in a plane crash.The Vikings hire Scott Pioli. Superbowls are sure to follow…! ;) B).   just kidding, kind of.  :p  

Lmao, harsh...so harsh. But Pioli!? No way...

He has 3 more rings than this organization…

Career highlights and awards
3× Super Bowl champion (XXXVI, XXXVIII, XXXIX) 3× PFWA Executive of the Year (2003, 2007, 2010) 3× Sports Illustrated NFL Executive of the Year (2003, 2004, 2010) 2× Sporting News NFL Executive of the Year Award (2003, 2004) USA Today NFL Executive of the Year Award (2004) Sports Illustrated NFL GM/Executive of the Decade (2000s) Sporting News NFL Executive of the Decade (2000s) ESPN.com NFL Personnel Man of the Decade (2000s)

That's because he was a Brady/Belichick coattails hanger like sooo many failures from that organization. I want nothing to do with anybody from New England, especially one that's been a one time loser already as a GM. I'm all for (replacing) Kwesi though lol

@"Kentis" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"Kentis" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"Kentis" said: Kwazy dies in a plane crash.The Vikings hire Scott Pioli. Superbowls are sure to follow…! ;) B).   just kidding, kind of.  :p  

Lmao, harsh...so harsh. But Pioli!? No way...

He has 3 more rings than this organization…

Career highlights and awards
3× Super Bowl champion (XXXVI, XXXVIII, XXXIX) 3× PFWA Executive of the Year (2003, 2007, 2010) 3× Sports Illustrated NFL Executive of the Year (2003, 2004, 2010) 2× Sporting News NFL Executive of the Year Award (2003, 2004) USA Today NFL Executive of the Year Award (2004) Sports Illustrated NFL GM/Executive of the Decade (2000s) Sporting News NFL Executive of the Decade (2000s) ESPN.com NFL Personnel Man of the Decade (2000s)

That's because he was a Brady/Belichick coattails hanger like sooo many failures from that organization. I want nothing to do with anybody from New England, especially one that's been a one time loser already as a GM. I'm all for (replacing) Kwesi though lol

Actually he came in w/ Belichick & was involved in selecting Brady.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said: For me it would be as follows:

• Edge/DT at the #11 spot
• Move up for JJ McCarthy end of round 1
• Sign Kirk Cousins to 2-year contract

I'd be extremely stoked about this possibility. What's your ideal scenario?

I said this in the other thread, but this really would be best case scenario IMO, provided Kirk's extension is reasonable without kicking more dead cap into future years. We need to get off that carousel 

to those saying resign Cousins... what is the number?  keep in mind we already owe 14 on him for the next 2 years,  how much more on top of that works for you?  My number is obviously much lower than reality so even though I would be supportive of resigning him,  I have to say move on from Kirk, 
extend Hunter, 
ework Hitman without adding bullshit years,
approach JJs camp,  but not really a requirement ( would be nice to have him locked up though )
find the best bridge guy we can in the lower to mid 20s per year ( add incentives if they somehow really flourish in our system just to make it enticing ) 
identify realistic QBs and dont get cute in the draft,  they all get over drafted,  just because JJ or whoever should fall to the 2nd, I dont see them being there at 31 or 32,  take them when you can and move on.

Use all available cap space to shore up OL, DL, LB/Edge positions,  if there are quality players fitting needs coming off rookie deals,  or short 2nd term deals  lets fix this in a hurry.

We may still not be a contender in 24, but dammit I am sick of the  OL and DL being the rubber stamp excuse,  let focus on fixing this and get the future QB in house.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Kentis" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"Kentis" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"Kentis" said: Kwazy dies in a plane crash.The Vikings hire Scott Pioli. Superbowls are sure to follow…! ;) B).   just kidding, kind of.  :p  

Lmao, harsh...so harsh. But Pioli!? No way...

He has 3 more rings than this organization…

Career highlights and awards
3× Super Bowl champion (XXXVI, XXXVIII, XXXIX) 3× PFWA Executive of the Year (2003, 2007, 2010) 3× Sports Illustrated NFL Executive of the Year (2003, 2004, 2010) 2× Sporting News NFL Executive of the Year Award (2003, 2004) USA Today NFL Executive of the Year Award (2004) Sports Illustrated NFL GM/Executive of the Decade (2000s) Sporting News NFL Executive of the Decade (2000s) ESPN.com NFL Personnel Man of the Decade (2000s)

That's because he was a Brady/Belichick coattails hanger like sooo many failures from that organization. I want nothing to do with anybody from New England, especially one that's been a one time loser already as a GM. I'm all for (replacing) Kwesi though lol

Actually he came in w/ Belichick & was involved in selecting Brady.

not to argue for or against Pioli,  but can anybody really be credited for taking a HOFer in the 6th round?   If anybody had an inkling of what he would have become any organization would have trade half a decades worth of first round picks to move up and get him.  I can understand crediting scouting and front office people for day 1 and 2 picks,  but day 3 guys are such a long shot to become anything,  its just luck at that point.

Kind of like a shit load of awards,  for coaches and GMs when you have a good run with a Brady or Mahomes,  if it werent for the QB,  they dont win shit,  at least for Mahomes KC identified him and went after him.  I like conviction which is why I dont care if the Vikings even moved up a few spots for McCarthy when he is slated for later first round or day 2,  if thats their guy,  dont fuck around and lose him to the competition.

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said: For me it would be as follows:

• Edge/DT at the #11 spot
• Move up for JJ McCarthy end of round 1
• Sign Kirk Cousins to 2-year contract

I'd be extremely stoked about this possibility. What's your ideal scenario?

I said this in the other thread, but this really would be best case scenario IMO, provided Kirk's extension is reasonable without kicking more dead cap into future years. We need to get off that carousel 

to those saying resign Cousins... what is the number?  keep in mind we already owe 14 on him for the next 2 years,  how much more on top of that works for you?  My number is obviously much lower than reality so even though I would be supportive of resigning him,  I have to say move on from Kirk, 
extend Hunter, 
ework Hitman without adding bullshit years,
approach JJs camp,  but not really a requirement ( would be nice to have him locked up though )
find the best bridge guy we can in the lower to mid 20s per year ( add incentives if they somehow really flourish in our system just to make it enticing ) 
identify realistic QBs and dont get cute in the draft,  they all get over drafted,  just because JJ or whoever should fall to the 2nd, I dont see them being there at 31 or 32,  take them when you can and move on.

Use all available cap space to shore up OL, DL, LB/Edge positions,  if there are quality players fitting needs coming off rookie deals,  or short 2nd term deals  lets fix this in a hurry.

We may still not be a contender in 24, but dammit I am sick of the  OL and DL being the rubber stamp excuse,  let focus on fixing this and get the future QB in house.

Roughly 78 million for 2 yrs. for Kirk
Hunter...Re-sign
Wonum... Re-sign
Reisner... Re-sign 
JJ...Extend if possible
O'Neill... Restructure 
Darrisaw... Extend 
Harry... Gone
Davenport...Gone
Mattison... Gone
Osborn... Gone
Bradbury... Gone
Lynch... Gone
Tonga... Gone
Lowry... Gone

Use all available cap space for potential targets: (DL Christian Wilkins, Edge Brian Burns, S Antoine Winfield, RB Josh Jacobs, RG Mike Onwenu, Edge Chase Young) to start.  If we actually sign any of these guys let alone 2-3 we should be a little better.

We would certainly have more flexibility in the draft if we got our Edge guy in FA, since I don't see a a great crop of difference makers this yr. at LB or Edge. Get our QB in our current 11  spot if we feel strongly about our guy, or move back a little and get our 3rd rd pick back. (my choice right now is McCarthy). Depending on who we get in FA, fill out the draft with, (in order of need/strength of draft): C, DL, IOL, Edge, RB, LB, CB.  

@"Kentis" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Kentis" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"Kentis" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"Kentis" said: Kwazy dies in a plane crash.The Vikings hire Scott Pioli. Superbowls are sure to follow…! ;) B).   just kidding, kind of.  :p  

Lmao, harsh...so harsh. But Pioli!? No way...

He has 3 more rings than this organization…

Career highlights and awards
3× Super Bowl champion (XXXVI, XXXVIII, XXXIX) 3× PFWA Executive of the Year (2003, 2007, 2010) 3× Sports Illustrated NFL Executive of the Year (2003, 2004, 2010) 2× Sporting News NFL Executive of the Year Award (2003, 2004) USA Today NFL Executive of the Year Award (2004) Sports Illustrated NFL GM/Executive of the Decade (2000s) Sporting News NFL Executive of the Decade (2000s) ESPN.com NFL Personnel Man of the Decade (2000s)

That's because he was a Brady/Belichick coattails hanger like sooo many failures from that organization. I want nothing to do with anybody from New England, especially one that's been a one time loser already as a GM. I'm all for (replacing) Kwesi though lol

Actually he came in w/ Belichick & was involved in selecting Brady.

not to argue for or against Pioli,  but can anybody really be credited for taking a HOFer in the 6th round?   If anybody had an inkling of what he would have become any organization would have trade half a decades worth of first round picks to move up and get him.  I can understand crediting scouting and front office people for day 1 and 2 picks,  but day 3 guys are such a long shot to become anything,  its just luck at that point.

Kind of like a shit load of awards,  for coaches and GMs when you have a good run with a Brady or Mahomes,  if it werent for the QB,  they dont win shit,  at least for Mahomes KC identified him and went after him.  I like conviction which is why I dont care if the Vikings even moved up a few spots for McCarthy when he is slated for later first round or day 2,  if thats their guy,  dont fuck around and lose him to the competition.

True, they actually had Brady as a 3rd round prospect, didn’t “need” a QB roster wise, so the fools didn’t draft him ‘til he fell to 199. Idiots…!  ;) B)  

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Kentis" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Kentis" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"Kentis" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"Kentis" said: Kwazy dies in a plane crash.The Vikings hire Scott Pioli. Superbowls are sure to follow…! ;) B).   just kidding, kind of.  :p  

Lmao, harsh...so harsh. But Pioli!? No way...

He has 3 more rings than this organization…

Career highlights and awards
3× Super Bowl champion (XXXVI, XXXVIII, XXXIX) 3× PFWA Executive of the Year (2003, 2007, 2010) 3× Sports Illustrated NFL Executive of the Year (2003, 2004, 2010) 2× Sporting News NFL Executive of the Year Award (2003, 2004) USA Today NFL Executive of the Year Award (2004) Sports Illustrated NFL GM/Executive of the Decade (2000s) Sporting News NFL Executive of the Decade (2000s) ESPN.com NFL Personnel Man of the Decade (2000s)

That's because he was a Brady/Belichick coattails hanger like sooo many failures from that organization. I want nothing to do with anybody from New England, especially one that's been a one time loser already as a GM. I'm all for (replacing) Kwesi though lol

Actually he came in w/ Belichick & was involved in selecting Brady.

not to argue for or against Pioli,  but can anybody really be credited for taking a HOFer in the 6th round?   If anybody had an inkling of what he would have become any organization would have trade half a decades worth of first round picks to move up and get him.  I can understand crediting scouting and front office people for day 1 and 2 picks,  but day 3 guys are such a long shot to become anything,  its just luck at that point.

Kind of like a shit load of awards,  for coaches and GMs when you have a good run with a Brady or Mahomes,  if it werent for the QB,  they dont win shit,  at least for Mahomes KC identified him and went after him.  I like conviction which is why I dont care if the Vikings even moved up a few spots for McCarthy when he is slated for later first round or day 2,  if thats their guy,  dont fuck around and lose him to the competition.

True, they actually had Brady as a 3rd round prospect, didn’t “need” a QB roster wise, so the fools didn’t draft him ‘til he fell to 199. Idiots…!  ;) B)  

Imagine if somebody else had taken him and had similar success....  there would have been assassination attempts in bean town once that got out.

Would be really interesting to see teams draft boards from the past to see what GMs got it close vs really were just lucky dart chuckers.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said: For me it would be as follows:

• Edge/DT at the #11 spot
• Move up for JJ McCarthy end of round 1
• Sign Kirk Cousins to 2-year contract

I'd be extremely stoked about this possibility. What's your ideal scenario?

I said this in the other thread, but this really would be best case scenario IMO, provided Kirk's extension is reasonable without kicking more dead cap into future years. We need to get off that carousel 

to those saying resign Cousins... what is the number?  keep in mind we already owe 14 on him for the next 2 years,  how much more on top of that works for you?  My number is obviously much lower than reality so even though I would be supportive of resigning him,  I have to say move on from Kirk, 
extend Hunter, 
ework Hitman without adding bullshit years,
approach JJs camp,  but not really a requirement ( would be nice to have him locked up though )
find the best bridge guy we can in the lower to mid 20s per year ( add incentives if they somehow really flourish in our system just to make it enticing ) 
identify realistic QBs and dont get cute in the draft,  they all get over drafted,  just because JJ or whoever should fall to the 2nd, I dont see them being there at 31 or 32,  take them when you can and move on.

Use all available cap space to shore up OL, DL, LB/Edge positions,  if there are quality players fitting needs coming off rookie deals,  or short 2nd term deals  lets fix this in a hurry.

We may still not be a contender in 24, but dammit I am sick of the  OL and DL being the rubber stamp excuse,  let focus on fixing this and get the future QB in house.

Roughly 78 million for 2 yrs. for Kirk
Hunter...Re-sign
Wonum... Re-sign
Reisner... Re-sign 
JJ...Extend if possible
O'Neill... Restructure 
Darrisaw... Extend 
Harry... Gone
Davenport...Gone
Mattison... Gone
Osborn... Gone
Bradbury... Gone
Lynch... Gone
Tonga... Gone
Lowry... Gone

Use all available cap space for potential targets: (DL Christian Wilkins, Edge Brian Burns, S Antoine Winfield, RB Josh Jacobs, RG Mike Onwenu, Edge Chase Young) to start.  If we actually sign any of these guys let alone 2-3 we should be a little better.

We would certainly have more flexibility in the draft if we got our Edge guy in FA, since I don't see a a great crop of difference makers this yr. at LB or Edge. Get our QB in our current 11  spot if we feel strongly about our guy, or move back a little and get our 3rd rd pick back. (my choice right now is McCarthy). Depending on who we get in FA, fill out the draft with, (in order of need/strength of draft): C, DL, IOL, Edge, RB, LB, CB.  

I think your number of 39 per is a little low and possibly not enough years,  but I like everything else you had to say.  What do you think about that 3rd year partially guaranteed like Geoff suggests may be part of the ask from Kamp Kirko?

https://theathletic.com/5250162/2024/02/06/broncos-sean-payton-qb-draft-trades-mahomes/

I think the ideal off season involves having a good QB and getting
like 4 starters out of the draft, meaning guys are dropping and us getting
lucky because teams missed them.

That’s not hardly a plan though, but something more
tangible:

1. Resign Cousins to a 2 year deal that’s probably something like $60M guaranteed with $20M more in incentives and an out after 1 year if he’s unable to really perform due to the injury, but gives him security if he’s healthy.
2. Resign Hunter to a good contract that you can get out of in like 3 years max.
3. Resign JJ to a contract that doesn’t make me cringe a lot.
4. Resign Davenport to be our 3rd OLB for like $6M prove it deal.
5. Draft a QB with our first or second pick without giving up the farm to get them.  I’m skeptical that we’re going to get one of the top 3 guys, so I just don’t see how it makes sense to invest multiple high picks in getting the 5th best prospect.  I’d rather draft the 5th best prospect 2 years in a row, than invest 3+ picks into the 4th best guy.  If there’s a guy you feel really confident in that fits your system and you’re sure that everyone else is misreading, sure go after that guy, but I think the list of guys that fail after teams traded up for them is probably just as long as guys that succeeded.  This guys probably going to have some flaws and need to sit for a year.  End of the first makes sense to me.
6. Have to get a second impact edge or DL.
7. Have to get a quality RB that can both run and block at a low cost.
8. Have to bring in another competent starting caliber CB.

6-8, Here you are really dependent on
how you get that QB, ie. Did you blow all your draft picks?  You’re probably going to have to pick up a CB
or an Edge in free agency if you draft a QB, unless you get really lucky.  I think if you blow a ton of picks on a QB you're probably building for 2025 rather than 2024, so you're more going for overall roster quality than win now as you'll have to be more frugal in FA to make up for the missing draft picks.

@"medaille" said: I think the ideal off season involves having a good QB and getting like 4 starters out of the draft, meaning guys are dropping and us getting lucky because teams missed them.

 

That’s not hardly a plan though, but something more
tangible:

1. Resign Cousins to a 2 year deal that’s probably something like $60M guaranteed with $20M more in incentives and an out after 1 year if he’s unable to really perform due to the injury, but gives him security if he’s healthy.
2. Resign Hunter to a good contract that you can get out of in like 3 years max.
3. Resign JJ to a contract that doesn’t make me cringe a lot.
4. Resign Davenport to be our 3rd OLB for like $6M prove it deal.
5. Draft a QB with our first or second pick without giving up the farm to get them.  I’m skeptical that we’re going to get one of the top 3 guys, so I just don’t see how it makes sense to invest multiple high picks in getting the 5th best prospect.  I’d rather draft the 5th best prospect 2 years in a row, than invest 3+ picks into the 4th best guy.  If there’s a guy you feel really confident in that fits your system and you’re sure that everyone else is misreading, sure go after that guy, but I think the list of guys that fail after teams traded up for them is probably just as long as guys that succeeded.  This guys probably going to have some flaws and need to sit for a year.  End of the first makes sense to me.
6. Have to get a second impact edge or DL.
7. Have to get a quality RB that can both run and block at a low cost.
8. Have to bring in another competent starting caliber CB.

6-8, Here you are really dependent on
how you get that QB, ie. Did you blow all your draft picks?  You’re probably going to have to pick up a CB
or an Edge in free agency if you draft a QB, unless you get really lucky.  I think if you blow a ton of picks on a QB you're probably building for 2025 rather than 2024, so you're more going for overall roster quality than win now as you'll have to be more frugal in FA to make up for the missing draft picks.

That gives you Cousins, JJ, Addison, Hock, Darrisaw and O'Neill on offense. Your front seven now has Hunter, Wilkins (FA1), Phillips and Turner (D1). This is a team that would be serious contenders in '24 with a succession plan at QB in place—not to mention $130M in cap space in '25—to keep them there. 

Broncos at 12 and Raiders at 13 will most likely take QB4 and 5.  After that the pickings get slim at QB

@"Bullazin" said: Broncos at 12 and Raiders at 13 will most likely take QB4 and 5.  After that the pickings get slim at QB

on Cousins: It will be very difficult to have a reasonable cap number without void years. That’s because Kwesi wanted relief last season. In my opinion it was a dumb idea, but what’s done is done. Cousins’s ask of 2/90m is the market. It would put him in 8 to 9 range for QB’s this year before any adjustments. Contrary to popular belief, he’s taken team friendly deals the past two. I’m sure he will again, but most of you have unrealistic expectations when it comes to paying QB’s in the NFL. 

I’d like to see him resigned. It’s difficult to know the impact of the injury, but we should rememver he was performing at a top 5 level when he went down. He is also an important piece if you want to give a QB of the future his best shot at success.

This draft, it is not inconceivable that we will see 4 QB’s go in the first ten picks. There are quite a few teams under pressure to upgrade or have a huge need at the position. If they like a QB, I suspect a trade down may not be in the cards.

I’d like to see:

1 Cousins resigned
2. Hunter resigned
3. a top disruptive D lineman in free agency
4. QB of the future in the first. 
5. if money allows, a veteran corner

@"Bullazin" said: Broncos at 12 and Raiders at 13 will most likely take QB4 and 5.  After that the pickings get slim at QB

@"Bullazin" said: Broncos at 12 and Raiders at 13 will most likely take QB4 and 5.  After that the pickings get slim at QB

@"Bullazin" said: Broncos at 12 and Raiders at 13 will most likely take QB4 and 5.  After that the pickings get slim at QB

@"supafreak84" said:

@"Bullazin" said: Broncos at 12 and Raiders at 13 will most likely take QB4 and 5.  After that the pickings get slim at QB

Good point, although you have to wonder if the Raiders think they can win with Aiden O'Connell moving forward as he flashed a little as a rookie and Pierce really likes him. Both of these teams though would also be prime landing spots if the Bears moved off Justin Fields. Going to be an interesting offseason with lots of intrigue 

@"VikeMike52" said:

@"Bullazin" said: Broncos at 12 and Raiders at 13 will most likely take QB4 and 5.  After that the pickings get slim at QB

@"Bullazin" said: Broncos at 12 and Raiders at 13 will most likely take QB4 and 5.  After that the pickings get slim at QB

I’ve seen a few mocks with both of those taking either McCarthy or Nix. If McCarthy is the Vikings preferred QB they may have to take him at 11, that is if he makes it out of the top 10.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"VikeMike52" said:

@"Bullazin" said: Broncos at 12 and Raiders at 13 will most likely take QB4 and 5.  After that the pickings get slim at QB

@"Bullazin" said: Broncos at 12 and Raiders at 13 will most likely take QB4 and 5.  After that the pickings get slim at QB

I’ve seen a few mocks with both of those taking either McCarthy or Nix. If McCarthy is the Vikings preferred QB they may have to take him at 11, that is if he makes it out of the top 10.

I am betting one of those 2 or possibly somebody even further down makes a play to jump ahead of the Vikes for the best of the rest.

@"VikeMike52" said:

@"Bullazin" said: Broncos at 12 and Raiders at 13 will most likely take QB4 and 5.  After that the pickings get slim at QB

@"Bullazin" said: Broncos at 12 and Raiders at 13 will most likely take QB4 and 5.  After that the pickings get slim at QB

I’ve seen a few mocks with both of those taking either McCarthy or Nix. If McCarthy is the Vikings preferred QB they may have to take him at 11, that is if he makes it out of the top 10.