2024 Senior Bowl

@"VikeMike52" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"StickyBun" said: Spencer Rattler out there trying to be seen. He's an enigma: a 5 star QB out of high school, some thought might be a generational pick in the Draft after his 2020 season, he's never reached that high since then. He's got a big arm, is mobile and can throw on the run or in the pocket. Short at 6' 0". He locks into initial reads and looks, the cerebral part of the game challenges him. Had a nice 2023 but scouts think that might be his ceiling. 

Looks like he might've secured that 7th QB slot and there's probably not as much separating tier 2 from tier 3 now, with Nix and Penix maybe moving down a bit, and Rattler and Pratt moving up. JJM's the big unknown. Or at least it seems that way to me.  

Oh and btw, both Ponder and Mond were Senior Bowl MVPs. 

I think McCarthy will end up as QB4 and may get drafted a lot higher than many think. Personally I think him behind Kirk for a year or two would be perfect.

@"StickyBun" said: Spencer Rattler out there trying to be seen. He's an enigma: a 5 star QB out of high school, some thought might be a generational pick in the Draft after his 2020 season, he's never reached that high since then. He's got a big arm, is mobile and can throw on the run or in the pocket. Short at 6' 0". He locks into initial reads and looks, the cerebral part of the game challenges him. Had a nice 2023 but scouts think that might be his ceiling. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"VikeMike52" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"StickyBun" said: Spencer Rattler out there trying to be seen. He's an enigma: a 5 star QB out of high school, some thought might be a generational pick in the Draft after his 2020 season, he's never reached that high since then. He's got a big arm, is mobile and can throw on the run or in the pocket. Short at 6' 0". He locks into initial reads and looks, the cerebral part of the game challenges him. Had a nice 2023 but scouts think that might be his ceiling. 

Looks like he might've secured that 7th QB slot and there's probably not as much separating tier 2 from tier 3 now, with Nix and Penix maybe moving down a bit, and Rattler and Pratt moving up. JJM's the big unknown. Or at least it seems that way to me.  

Oh and btw, both Ponder and Mond were Senior Bowl MVPs. 

I think McCarthy will end up as QB4 and may get drafted a lot higher than many think. Personally I think him behind Kirk for a year or two would be perfect.

I'm moving more into that direction as well. Question is, then, where do you take McCarthy? Do you have to move up? Stay at 11? Trade back? Round two? A Bridgewater-like move up?

I just have no clue where his stock is right now. 

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"VikeMike52" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"StickyBun" said: Spencer Rattler out there trying to be seen. He's an enigma: a 5 star QB out of high school, some thought might be a generational pick in the Draft after his 2020 season, he's never reached that high since then. He's got a big arm, is mobile and can throw on the run or in the pocket. Short at 6' 0". He locks into initial reads and looks, the cerebral part of the game challenges him. Had a nice 2023 but scouts think that might be his ceiling. 

Looks like he might've secured that 7th QB slot and there's probably not as much separating tier 2 from tier 3 now, with Nix and Penix maybe moving down a bit, and Rattler and Pratt moving up. JJM's the big unknown. Or at least it seems that way to me.  

Oh and btw, both Ponder and Mond were Senior Bowl MVPs. 

I think McCarthy will end up as QB4 and may get drafted a lot higher than many think. Personally I think him behind Kirk for a year or two would be perfect.

I'm moving more into that direction as well. Question is, then, where do you take McCarthy? Do you have to move up? Stay at 11? Trade back? Round two? A Bridgewater-like move up?

I just have no clue where his stock is right now. 

I'm with you, although I think we'll have a better idea after the Combine. We know Jeremiah is plugged in with the scouting community and he had McCarthy 27th in his initial top 50...so that's probably a pretty good gauge knowing he will likely make up some ground at the Combine. I'm imagining by the end of the process he'll be viewed as a mid first round pick...so if we took him at #11, so be it 

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"VikeMike52" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"StickyBun" said: Spencer Rattler out there trying to be seen. He's an enigma: a 5 star QB out of high school, some thought might be a generational pick in the Draft after his 2020 season, he's never reached that high since then. He's got a big arm, is mobile and can throw on the run or in the pocket. Short at 6' 0". He locks into initial reads and looks, the cerebral part of the game challenges him. Had a nice 2023 but scouts think that might be his ceiling. 

Looks like he might've secured that 7th QB slot and there's probably not as much separating tier 2 from tier 3 now, with Nix and Penix maybe moving down a bit, and Rattler and Pratt moving up. JJM's the big unknown. Or at least it seems that way to me.  

Oh and btw, both Ponder and Mond were Senior Bowl MVPs. 

I think McCarthy will end up as QB4 and may get drafted a lot higher than many think. Personally I think him behind Kirk for a year or two would be perfect.

I'm moving more into that direction as well. Question is, then, where do you take McCarthy? Do you have to move up? Stay at 11? Trade back? Round two? A Bridgewater-like move up?

I just have no clue where his stock is right now. 

I'm with you, although I think we'll have a better idea after the Combine. We know Jeremiah is plugged in with the scouting community and he had McCarthy 27th in his initial top 50...so that's probably a pretty good gauge knowing he will likely make up some ground at the Combine. I'm imagining by the end of the process he'll be viewed as a mid first round pick...so if we took him at #11, so be it 

He is probably the biggest QB unknown this early on.

My belief is if the Vikings dont take him @ 11, someone will around that 16 slot. I just dont see him dropping to end of rd 1 or top of day 2. 

 But hell, Rogers dropped all the way to the end of Rd 1 - so anything is possible.

@"MaroonBells" said:

I'm moving more into that direction as well. Question is, then, where do you take McCarthy? Do you have to move up? Stay at 11? Trade back? Round two? A Bridgewater-like move up?

I just have no clue where his stock is right now. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"VikeMike52" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"StickyBun" said: Spencer Rattler out there trying to be seen. He's an enigma: a 5 star QB out of high school, some thought might be a generational pick in the Draft after his 2020 season, he's never reached that high since then. He's got a big arm, is mobile and can throw on the run or in the pocket. Short at 6' 0". He locks into initial reads and looks, the cerebral part of the game challenges him. Had a nice 2023 but scouts think that might be his ceiling. 

Looks like he might've secured that 7th QB slot and there's probably not as much separating tier 2 from tier 3 now, with Nix and Penix maybe moving down a bit, and Rattler and Pratt moving up. JJM's the big unknown. Or at least it seems that way to me.  

Oh and btw, both Ponder and Mond were Senior Bowl MVPs. 

I think McCarthy will end up as QB4 and may get drafted a lot higher than many think. Personally I think him behind Kirk for a year or two would be perfect.

I'm moving more into that direction as well. Question is, then, where do you take McCarthy? Do you have to move up? Stay at 11? Trade back? Round two? A Bridgewater-like move up?

I just have no clue where his stock is right now. 

I'm with you, although I think we'll have a better idea after the Combine. We know Jeremiah is plugged in with the scouting community and he had McCarthy 27th in his initial top 50...so that's probably a pretty good gauge knowing he will likely make up some ground at the Combine. I'm imagining by the end of the process he'll be viewed as a mid first round pick...so if we took him at #11, so be it 

He is probably the biggest QB unknown this early on.

My belief is if the Vikings dont take him @ 11, someone will around that 16 slot. I just dont see him dropping to end of rd 1 or top of day 2. 

 But hell, Rogers dropped all the way to the end of Rd 1 - so anything is possible.

The way I see it, if the Vikings were willing to sell the farm to move up last year, and may actually be willing to do it again this year, they should be willing to move from 42 to the middle 1st for their guy. 

I know the trade chart points are nebulous and don't cleanly translate into draft picks. However, according to the chart, it would cost about 1,000 points to move up from 11 to the top 3. It would cost about half that to move from 42 to, say, 16.  

And on JJ, the reason I like him so much is he has a lot of precursors which would lead you to believe he will be successful. He's a winner and has started a ton of games, lots of big ones. Athletic, accurate, and high upside. I care less and less about the "statistics" of which, I think he was tasked to run the offense given to him and he obviously did it well. 

To me, dare I say it, but he is a little Montana-esque from his build and overall makeup. I'm really looking forward to seeing the draft process play out for him 

Tier 1 in this QB draft are in no particular order:

1. Caleb Williams
2. Drake Maye
3. Bo Nix
4. Jayden Daniels
5. JJ McCarthy

Tier 2:

1. Penix - Tier 1 if not for the injury history. I’d be surprised if he goes in round 1. Someone can always fall in love with him and fear he’ll be taken, but I suspect the injury history is going to really impact where he goes. His performance in the championship game did him no favors either. I would have strongly advised him to play a couple of series in the senior bowl like Nix. I think it was a huge mistake on his part. Bo Nix went out on a flee flicker and put it in stride on the money about 62 air yards out. His stats wouldn’t have mattered. He answered a question and showed he has upper echelon NFL arm strength. Penix had an opportunity to do something similar and in my opinion blew it.

2. Rattler

3rd Tier: 

I’ve reviewed a couple of guys so far and they are borderline undraftable. 

@"supafreak84" said: And on JJ, the reason I like him so much is he has a lot of precursors which would lead you to believe he will be successful. He's a winner and has started a ton of games, lots of big ones. Athletic, accurate, and high upside. I care less and less about the "statistics" of which, I think he was tasked to run the offense given to him and he obviously did it well. 

To me, dare I say it, but he is a little Montana-esque from his build and overall makeup. I'm really looking forward to seeing the draft process play out for him 

@"VikeMike52" said:

@"supafreak84" said: And on JJ, the reason I like him so much is he has a lot of precursors which would lead you to believe he will be successful. He's a winner and has started a ton of games, lots of big ones. Athletic, accurate, and high upside. I care less and less about the "statistics" of which, I think he was tasked to run the offense given to him and he obviously did it well. 

To me, dare I say it, but he is a little Montana-esque from his build and overall makeup. I'm really looking forward to seeing the draft process play out for him 

Plus he’s 20 or 21 and is ideally suited for KOC’s system.