NFL insider drops bombshell report on Vikings’ Kirk Cousins
The Minnesota Vikings have a few major questions to answer this offseason when it comes to their roster. Several hard decisions are going to have to be made as they will decide whether to continue down the path of retooling and becoming a younger roster or run it back with veterans and make another go of it.
The biggest decision that will be made will come at quarterback. Kirk Cousins was playing at a high level this season before he suffered a season-ending Achilles injury in Week 8 against the Green Bay Packers.
He was leading the league with 291.4 yards per game when he went down, throwing 18 touchdowns and only five interceptions. Cousins was completing 69.5 percent of his passes as he was doing everything he could to help keep the team afloat after a rough start.
It would certainly be a risk moving on from Cousins, but the Vikings would be able to upgrade other parts of their roster by not re-signing him. However, finding a quarterback capable of producing at the level that Cousins has would be tough.
Certainly, no one is envious of the Vikings’ front office having to make such a tough decision. NFL analyst Peter King also revealed something that makes this an even tougher negotiation for the team, as Cousins isn’t going to give any sort of discount, whether it is the length of the contract or how much money he signs for.
“There’s two great quarterback mysteries in this offseason in the NFL,” NBC Sports’ Peter King said on “The Cook & Joe Show” on January 23. “One is Kirk Cousins. Because he will not go back to Minnesota on a one-year contract."
“A lot of people are going to say, ‘Wow, he’s going to be 36 next year, coming off a torn Achilles. Do we want to commit to him for two years,’” King said. “I would if I were a team. But we’re also talking two years, $90 million, which is excessive. But it’s also the market. So I’m not saying it’s a bad deal or a bad idea.”
There likely isn’t a team in the NFL that has as much information and knowledge about the rehab Cousins has been doing on his Achilles. That should give the Vikings a leg up when it comes to retaining him, should they want to, as they will know how things have gone every step of the way.
Committing long-ish term to a quarterback who is going to be 36 coming off a devastating injury is a hard sell. But, that could be the least costly route for the Vikings to take. Moving up in the draft would cost a fortune and the options are limited when it comes to established, veteran quarterbacks in free agency.
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When a mediocrity like Daniel Jones gets 40 mil/yr it's hardly a stretch to think Kirk wants more than that. I hear the argument here that he's so amazingly great but that he'll somehow play for a below market deal, which makes zero sense given his amazing greatness not to mention contract history, and what qb plays for a below market deal anyway?
@"comet52" said: When a mediocrity like Daniel Jones gets 40 mil/yr it's hardly a stretch to think Kirk wants more than that. I hear the argument here that he's so amazingly great but that he'll somehow play for a below market deal, which makes zero sense given his amazing greatness not to mention contract history, and what qb plays for a below market deal anyway?Maybe one who's coming off an achilles injury? I don't think his age plays a big part in this, but I do think the injury keeps him just under market.
@"comet52" said: When a mediocrity like Daniel Jones gets 40 mil/yr it's hardly a stretch to think Kirk wants more than that. I hear the argument here that he's so amazingly great but that he'll somehow play for a below market deal, which makes zero sense given his amazing greatness not to mention contract history, and what qb plays for a below market deal anyway?
Maybe he realized that no other QB in history has been paid so much for accomplishing so little
@"FLVike" said:@"comet52" said: When a mediocrity like Daniel Jones gets 40 mil/yr it's hardly a stretch to think Kirk wants more than that. I hear the argument here that he's so amazingly great but that he'll somehow play for a below market deal, which makes zero sense given his amazing greatness not to mention contract history, and what qb plays for a below market deal anyway?Maybe he realized that no other QB in history has been paid so much for accomplishing so little
Kind of like Dan Marino, and Jim Kelly...Would you be saying this about Cousins if he had been playing for the 49ers for the last 6 yrs.?
@"MaroonBells" said:I think his market value had he not been hurt would have easily been in the 45 mil for 3 yr. fully guaranteed. With the situation now, I think 2 yrs. at 38-40ish mil is his market value knowing that his mobility/running was never a key component to his game. Could go a little higher if SF gets involved.@"comet52" said: When a mediocrity like Daniel Jones gets 40 mil/yr it's hardly a stretch to think Kirk wants more than that. I hear the argument here that he's so amazingly great but that he'll somehow play for a below market deal, which makes zero sense given his amazing greatness not to mention contract history, and what qb plays for a below market deal anyway? Maybe one who's coming off an achilles injury? I don't think his age plays a big part in this, but I do think the injury keeps him just under market.
@"mgobluevikes" said:@"FLVike" said:@"comet52" said: When a mediocrity like Daniel Jones gets 40 mil/yr it's hardly a stretch to think Kirk wants more than that. I hear the argument here that he's so amazingly great but that he'll somehow play for a below market deal, which makes zero sense given his amazing greatness not to mention contract history, and what qb plays for a below market deal anyway?Maybe he realized that no other QB in history has been paid so much for accomplishing so little
Kind of like Dan Marino, and Jim Kelly...Would you be saying this about Cousins if he had been playing for the 49ers for the last 6 yrs.?Why are you comparing Cousins to Hall-Of-Fame QBs that have played in Superbowls?
@"mgobluevikes" said:Spotrac, which does extensive research/comparison etc, has Kirk 3 years at about 40 mill per. I want no part of the length or the amount per for a 36 year old coming of a torn achilles which can take over a year to get close to 90% if ever.@"MaroonBells" said:I think his market value had he not been hurt would have easily been in the 45 mil for 3 yr. fully guaranteed. With the situation now, I think 2 yrs. at 38-40ish mil is his market value knowing that his mobility/running was never a key component to his game. Could go a little higher if SF gets involved.@"comet52" said: When a mediocrity like Daniel Jones gets 40 mil/yr it's hardly a stretch to think Kirk wants more than that. I hear the argument here that he's so amazingly great but that he'll somehow play for a below market deal, which makes zero sense given his amazing greatness not to mention contract history, and what qb plays for a below market deal anyway? Maybe one who's coming off an achilles injury? I don't think his age plays a big part in this, but I do think the injury keeps him just under market.Sadly, the injury (Kirk's been an ironman for us) puts the handwriting on the wall (blinking red lights) for me to move on. Decision will have to be made in March followed by the late April draft.
Spotrac also has Tannehill at 1yr for 5 million or Minshew at 2yr 10 million as a bridge veteran QB.
The Viking brass needs to fully vet this QB class and make a decision. If Jaydan Daniels is the guy than go for it. If they think we can get our guy at 11 then OK. Bottom line we are in the have-to mode (sucks but time to earn the big bucks) of drafting an early QB because we have decided to not be proactive at the most important position. Big boy bucks put on big boy pants and make a big boy decision :)
@"mgobluevikes" said:@"FLVike" said:@"comet52" said: When a mediocrity like Daniel Jones gets 40 mil/yr it's hardly a stretch to think Kirk wants more than that. I hear the argument here that he's so amazingly great but that he'll somehow play for a below market deal, which makes zero sense given his amazing greatness not to mention contract history, and what qb plays for a below market deal anyway?Maybe he realized that no other QB in history has been paid so much for accomplishing so little
Kind of like Dan Marino, and Jim Kelly...Would you be saying this about Cousins if he had been playing for the 49ers for the last 6 yrs.?
of course they played most of their prime years in the pre salary cap NFL so there wasnt an issue of over spending on 1 player having a negative affect on the ability to build a quality roster around them. 3 decades later however you have to consider what you get for what you spend, and if a QB is needing a little more of a supporting cast to get the team over the hump, well that has to come at the expense of somebody. If other teams want to over spend on underperforming players... well good for them, they should be easier to beat, but the teams that dont do that (as often or at high dollar positions ) will have a definite advantage. I think if we had a quality OL, truly one of the top Olines in the league in front of Cousins, we would have a top 3 O, and would likely be able to hang enough points up each week that we wouldnt be as concerned about all the deficiencies on defense... but that wont come cheap or fast, and with Cousins it would have to be both.
@"mgobluevikes" said:Without the injury, I think it would've been a helluva lot higher than that. There are 4 QBs over 50 and 8 over 45.@"MaroonBells" said:I think his market value had he not been hurt would have easily been in the 45 mil for 3 yr. fully guaranteed. With the situation now, I think 2 yrs. at 38-40ish mil is his market value knowing that his mobility/running was never a key component to his game. Could go a little higher if SF gets involved.@"comet52" said: When a mediocrity like Daniel Jones gets 40 mil/yr it's hardly a stretch to think Kirk wants more than that. I hear the argument here that he's so amazingly great but that he'll somehow play for a below market deal, which makes zero sense given his amazing greatness not to mention contract history, and what qb plays for a below market deal anyway? Maybe one who's coming off an achilles injury? I don't think his age plays a big part in this, but I do think the injury keeps him just under market.
@"mgobluevikes" said:@"MaroonBells" said:I think his market value had he not been hurt would have easily been in the 45 mil for 3 yr. fully guaranteed. With the situation now, I think 2 yrs. at 38-40ish mil is his market value knowing that his mobility/running was never a key component to his game. Could go a little higher if SF gets involved.@"comet52" said: When a mediocrity like Daniel Jones gets 40 mil/yr it's hardly a stretch to think Kirk wants more than that. I hear the argument here that he's so amazingly great but that he'll somehow play for a below market deal, which makes zero sense given his amazing greatness not to mention contract history, and what qb plays for a below market deal anyway? Maybe one who's coming off an achilles injury? I don't think his age plays a big part in this, but I do think the injury keeps him just under market.Agreed. Carr's contract averages $37.5M annually. Kirko isn't signing for less than that.
@"FLVike" said:@"mgobluevikes" said:@"FLVike" said:@"comet52" said: When a mediocrity like Daniel Jones gets 40 mil/yr it's hardly a stretch to think Kirk wants more than that. I hear the argument here that he's so amazingly great but that he'll somehow play for a below market deal, which makes zero sense given his amazing greatness not to mention contract history, and what qb plays for a below market deal anyway?Maybe he realized that no other QB in history has been paid so much for accomplishing so little
Kind of like Dan Marino, and Jim Kelly...Would you be saying this about Cousins if he had been playing for the 49ers for the last 6 yrs.?Why are you comparing Cousins to Hall-Of-Fame QBs that have played in Superbowls?
Because it takes a lot more pieces than a QB to get to the HOF or super bowls. Why didn't either of them win? Marino threw 50 times in his super bowl loss with 2 picks, 1 TD and they only scored 16 pts. Kelly's offenses scored 13, 17, 19 and 24 pts. Did they just pad their stats their whole careers? You didn't answer my question about the 49ers. What if Cousins played on the Rams team instead of Stafford when they won a SB with Aaron Donald?
@"mgobluevikes" said:@"FLVike" said:@"mgobluevikes" said:@"FLVike" said:@"comet52" said: When a mediocrity like Daniel Jones gets 40 mil/yr it's hardly a stretch to think Kirk wants more than that. I hear the argument here that he's so amazingly great but that he'll somehow play for a below market deal, which makes zero sense given his amazing greatness not to mention contract history, and what qb plays for a below market deal anyway?Maybe he realized that no other QB in history has been paid so much for accomplishing so little
Kind of like Dan Marino, and Jim Kelly...Would you be saying this about Cousins if he had been playing for the 49ers for the last 6 yrs.?Why are you comparing Cousins to Hall-Of-Fame QBs that have played in Superbowls?
Because it takes a lot more pieces than a QB to get to the HOF or super bowls. Why didn't either of them win? Marino threw 50 times in his super bowl loss with 2 picks, 1 TD and they only scored 16 pts. Kelly's offenses scored 13, 17, 19 and 24 pts. Did they just pad their stats their whole careers? You didn't answer my question about the 49ers. What if Cousins played on the Rams team instead of Stafford when they won a SB with Aaron Donald?Here's my answer to your question, you may want to sit down before you read it;
Even if Cousins had the '85 Bears defense and the '98 Vikings offense he still would not get to the Superbowl.
@"mgobluevikes" said:I don't think the injury causes some incremental reduction in his value. More likely he gets a contract based on actual past performance and current market conditions, with playtime/injury clauses built in to protect the team that signs him in case the achilles is an ongoing issue.@"MaroonBells" said:I think his market value had he not been hurt would have easily been in the 45 mil for 3 yr. fully guaranteed. With the situation now, I think 2 yrs. at 38-40ish mil is his market value knowing that his mobility/running was never a key component to his game. Could go a little higher if SF gets involved.@"comet52" said: When a mediocrity like Daniel Jones gets 40 mil/yr it's hardly a stretch to think Kirk wants more than that. I hear the argument here that he's so amazingly great but that he'll somehow play for a below market deal, which makes zero sense given his amazing greatness not to mention contract history, and what qb plays for a below market deal anyway? Maybe one who's coming off an achilles injury? I don't think his age plays a big part in this, but I do think the injury keeps him just under market.
@"FLVike" said:@"mgobluevikes" said:@"FLVike" said:@"mgobluevikes" said:@"FLVike" said:@"comet52" said: When a mediocrity like Daniel Jones gets 40 mil/yr it's hardly a stretch to think Kirk wants more than that. I hear the argument here that he's so amazingly great but that he'll somehow play for a below market deal, which makes zero sense given his amazing greatness not to mention contract history, and what qb plays for a below market deal anyway?Maybe he realized that no other QB in history has been paid so much for accomplishing so little
Kind of like Dan Marino, and Jim Kelly...Would you be saying this about Cousins if he had been playing for the 49ers for the last 6 yrs.?Why are you comparing Cousins to Hall-Of-Fame QBs that have played in Superbowls?
Because it takes a lot more pieces than a QB to get to the HOF or super bowls. Why didn't either of them win? Marino threw 50 times in his super bowl loss with 2 picks, 1 TD and they only scored 16 pts. Kelly's offenses scored 13, 17, 19 and 24 pts. Did they just pad their stats their whole careers? You didn't answer my question about the 49ers. What if Cousins played on the Rams team instead of Stafford when they won a SB with Aaron Donald?Here's my answer to your question, you may want to sit down before you read it;
Even if Cousins had the '85 Bears defense and the '98 Vikings offense he still would not get to the Superbowl.
All-time TERRIBLE take right here. Absolutely legendary.
@"CFIAvike" said:@"FLVike" said:@"mgobluevikes" said:@"FLVike" said:@"mgobluevikes" said:@"FLVike" said:@"comet52" said: When a mediocrity like Daniel Jones gets 40 mil/yr it's hardly a stretch to think Kirk wants more than that. I hear the argument here that he's so amazingly great but that he'll somehow play for a below market deal, which makes zero sense given his amazing greatness not to mention contract history, and what qb plays for a below market deal anyway?Maybe he realized that no other QB in history has been paid so much for accomplishing so little
Kind of like Dan Marino, and Jim Kelly...Would you be saying this about Cousins if he had been playing for the 49ers for the last 6 yrs.?Why are you comparing Cousins to Hall-Of-Fame QBs that have played in Superbowls?
Because it takes a lot more pieces than a QB to get to the HOF or super bowls. Why didn't either of them win? Marino threw 50 times in his super bowl loss with 2 picks, 1 TD and they only scored 16 pts. Kelly's offenses scored 13, 17, 19 and 24 pts. Did they just pad their stats their whole careers? You didn't answer my question about the 49ers. What if Cousins played on the Rams team instead of Stafford when they won a SB with Aaron Donald?Here's my answer to your question, you may want to sit down before you read it;
Even if Cousins had the '85 Bears defense and the '98 Vikings offense he still would not get to the Superbowl.
All-time TERRIBLE take right here. Absolutely legendary.Well it can't be, because comparing Cousins to Hall of Fame QBs has to be number one.
Why would he say that? He's making $52.5M per year and still hasn't won a single playoff game.
"He's a crown jewel in the National Football League."
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@"FLVike" said:@"CFIAvike" said:@"FLVike" said:@"mgobluevikes" said:@"FLVike" said:@"mgobluevikes" said:@"FLVike" said:@"comet52" said: When a mediocrity like Daniel Jones gets 40 mil/yr it's hardly a stretch to think Kirk wants more than that. I hear the argument here that he's so amazingly great but that he'll somehow play for a below market deal, which makes zero sense given his amazing greatness not to mention contract history, and what qb plays for a below market deal anyway?Maybe he realized that no other QB in history has been paid so much for accomplishing so little
Kind of like Dan Marino, and Jim Kelly...Would you be saying this about Cousins if he had been playing for the 49ers for the last 6 yrs.?Why are you comparing Cousins to Hall-Of-Fame QBs that have played in Superbowls?
Because it takes a lot more pieces than a QB to get to the HOF or super bowls. Why didn't either of them win? Marino threw 50 times in his super bowl loss with 2 picks, 1 TD and they only scored 16 pts. Kelly's offenses scored 13, 17, 19 and 24 pts. Did they just pad their stats their whole careers? You didn't answer my question about the 49ers. What if Cousins played on the Rams team instead of Stafford when they won a SB with Aaron Donald?Here's my answer to your question, you may want to sit down before you read it;
Even if Cousins had the '85 Bears defense and the '98 Vikings offense he still would not get to the Superbowl.
All-time TERRIBLE take right here. Absolutely legendary.Well it can't be, because comparing Cousins to Hall of Fame QBs has to be number one.
Equally as ludicrous. But if you don’t think Cousins is talented enough to be quarterbacking a Super Bowl winning team, you’re breathtakingly wrong.Cousins is easily as talented as Stafford, Flacco, Jimmy G, Jared Goff, Nick Foles, Matt Ryan, and Russell Wilson. All of whom appeared in Super Bowls in the last ten years. Half of whom who WON one. And every one of these QBs outside of Foles and Goff took up a major portion of their teams’ salary cap space.
Then people like you will point to how those QB’s were surrounded by great teams and that’s why they could get to a Super Bowl. But in the same breath turn around and say Kirk Cousins is the SOLE reason the Vikings can’t win a chip.
@"MaroonBells" said: Why would he say that? He's making $52.5M per year and still hasn't won a single playoff game."He's a crown jewel in the National Football League."
— NFL on CBS 🏈 (@NFLonCBS) February 1, 2024
- Jim Harbaugh on his QB Justin Herbert. pic.twitter.com/o0kAPlWt0lHe’s fixin’ to trade him & draft his boy JJ… ;) B)
@"FLVike" said:@"mgobluevikes" said:@"FLVike" said:@"mgobluevikes" said:@"FLVike" said:@"comet52" said: When a mediocrity like Daniel Jones gets 40 mil/yr it's hardly a stretch to think Kirk wants more than that. I hear the argument here that he's so amazingly great but that he'll somehow play for a below market deal, which makes zero sense given his amazing greatness not to mention contract history, and what qb plays for a below market deal anyway?Maybe he realized that no other QB in history has been paid so much for accomplishing so little
Kind of like Dan Marino, and Jim Kelly...Would you be saying this about Cousins if he had been playing for the 49ers for the last 6 yrs.?Why are you comparing Cousins to Hall-Of-Fame QBs that have played in Superbowls?
Because it takes a lot more pieces than a QB to get to the HOF or super bowls. Why didn't either of them win? Marino threw 50 times in his super bowl loss with 2 picks, 1 TD and they only scored 16 pts. Kelly's offenses scored 13, 17, 19 and 24 pts. Did they just pad their stats their whole careers? You didn't answer my question about the 49ers. What if Cousins played on the Rams team instead of Stafford when they won a SB with Aaron Donald?Here's my answer to your question, you may want to sit down before you read it;
Even if Cousins had the '85 Bears defense and the '98 Vikings offense he still would not get to the Superbowl.
Just zero credibility with this take. Silly.
@"FLVike" said:@"CFIAvike" said:@"FLVike" said:@"mgobluevikes" said:@"FLVike" said:@"mgobluevikes" said:@"FLVike" said:@"comet52" said: When a mediocrity like Daniel Jones gets 40 mil/yr it's hardly a stretch to think Kirk wants more than that. I hear the argument here that he's so amazingly great but that he'll somehow play for a below market deal, which makes zero sense given his amazing greatness not to mention contract history, and what qb plays for a below market deal anyway?Maybe he realized that no other QB in history has been paid so much for accomplishing so little
Kind of like Dan Marino, and Jim Kelly...Would you be saying this about Cousins if he had been playing for the 49ers for the last 6 yrs.?Why are you comparing Cousins to Hall-Of-Fame QBs that have played in Superbowls?
Because it takes a lot more pieces than a QB to get to the HOF or super bowls. Why didn't either of them win? Marino threw 50 times in his super bowl loss with 2 picks, 1 TD and they only scored 16 pts. Kelly's offenses scored 13, 17, 19 and 24 pts. Did they just pad their stats their whole careers? You didn't answer my question about the 49ers. What if Cousins played on the Rams team instead of Stafford when they won a SB with Aaron Donald?Here's my answer to your question, you may want to sit down before you read it;
Even if Cousins had the '85 Bears defense and the '98 Vikings offense he still would not get to the Superbowl.
All-time TERRIBLE take right here. Absolutely legendary.Well it can't be, because comparing Cousins to Hall of Fame QBs has to be number one.
.....I'll give you Terry Bradshaw and Dan Fouts to chew on too...lol...
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