Jared Allen says Vikings need move on from Kirk Cousins
'Nothing personal': Jared Allen says Vikings need move on from Kirk Cousins (msn.com)
f you ask Jared Allen what the Vikings should do at quarterback, he'll tell you that Minnesota needs to move on from Kirk Cousins and go all in on investing in the long-term future of the franchise.
Allen, who is on the 2024 Hall of Fame ballot after his illustrious career ended with 136 sacks, referred to the Vikings, the team he played six seasons for from 2008 to 2013, as "we" and suggested to Trey Wingo at The 33rd Team that re-signing Cousins would make more sense if the Vikings didn't have so many holes on the roster.
"It was nothing personal, but I just don't know. It would be one thing if we were coming off an insanely-good season. Right now, the Packers are looking like they're coming on strong with a young team, the Bears are managing to be .500 with inaccurate play at that quarterback position. We have so many moving parts. I don't know how you can sit there and pay a veteran quarterback, pay (Justin) Jefferson, you got (Danielle) Hunter, you got a laundry list of guys that are going to have to get taken care of," Allen said.
"But yeah, you're in a conundrum where you got one of the best receivers in the league, do you want to bring in a new quarterback? But It think there's some options out there to where I don't think you have to give the farm away for a 35-year-old because I mean, at the end of the day, even if Kirk comes back and plays absolutely lights out he's only got three years left in him. Unless you win a Super Bowl, it's all for naught anyway."
"You look at the kid in Cincinnati who played his ass off this year and you could probably go get him at a relatively cheap price," Allen said.
Browning is an "exclusive rights restricted free agent," meaning Browning can't sign with another team if the Bengals simply extend him a qualifying offer. With that being a likelihood, the Vikings would need to make a trade to get him.
Whether it's Browning or a quarterback in the 2024 NFL Draft, Allen wants to see his former team pivot to the future.
"We're at that pivotal point to where you just gotta find who's going to be the future and go all in on that and go that route. That's what I would like to see them go," Allen explained. "I just think money could be better spent around the board and we could prepare for the future."
Thanks, Jared. Yes, lets go get 'the kid in Cincinnati' to start for us. Sigh. Because 'a relatively cheap price' is what you're looking for from the most important position in the NFL.
I can see this is going to be one hell of an offseason. I'd also like to know what Troy Williamson and Darrin Nelson think about who we should get at QB.
@"StickyBun" said: Thanks, Jared. Yes, lets go get 'the kid in Cincinnati' to start for us. Sigh. Because 'a relatively cheap price' is what you're looking for from the most important position in the NFL.I can see this is going to be one hell of an offseason. I'd also like to know what Troy Williamson and Darrin Nelson think about who we should get at QB.
Pretty sure he was suggesting Browning as an affordable bridge option, and that is not a bad take IMO, i would rather not give up any draft picks to get a bridge guy though. There's a handful of UFA QBs coming up that should play decently for much less than Cousins would likely want.
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"StickyBun" said: Thanks, Jared. Yes, lets go get 'the kid in Cincinnati' to start for us. Sigh. Because 'a relatively cheap price' is what you're looking for from the most important position in the NFL.I can see this is going to be one hell of an offseason. I'd also like to know what Troy Williamson and Darrin Nelson think about who we should get at QB.
Pretty sure he was suggesting Browning as an affordable bridge option, and that is not a bad take IMO, i would rather not give up any draft picks to get a bridge guy though. There's a handful of UFA QBs coming up that should play decently for much less than Cousins would likely want.
Setting the bar @ play decently when you have JJ/Addison/TJH?C'mon Jimmy, we can do better than that!
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"StickyBun" said: Thanks, Jared. Yes, lets go get 'the kid in Cincinnati' to start for us. Sigh. Because 'a relatively cheap price' is what you're looking for from the most important position in the NFL.I can see this is going to be one hell of an offseason. I'd also like to know what Troy Williamson and Darrin Nelson think about who we should get at QB.
Pretty sure he was suggesting Browning as an affordable bridge option, and that is not a bad take IMO, i would rather not give up any draft picks to get a bridge guy though. There's a handful of UFA QBs coming up that should play decently for much less than Cousins would likely want.
Play decently? lol.
@"purplefaithful" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"StickyBun" said: Thanks, Jared. Yes, lets go get 'the kid in Cincinnati' to start for us. Sigh. Because 'a relatively cheap price' is what you're looking for from the most important position in the NFL.I can see this is going to be one hell of an offseason. I'd also like to know what Troy Williamson and Darrin Nelson think about who we should get at QB.
Pretty sure he was suggesting Browning as an affordable bridge option, and that is not a bad take IMO, i would rather not give up any draft picks to get a bridge guy though. There's a handful of UFA QBs coming up that should play decently for much less than Cousins would likely want.
Setting the bar @ play decently when you have JJ/Addison/TJH?C'mon Jimmy, we can do better than that!
so, you think Kirk is the QB to hang 40 on the opposing teams every game? because that is what its going to take if he gets "danny dimes' type money on top of the dead money already owed him, because there wont be anything left to fix the OL, and especially the defense that will be getting gutted with Hunter leaving as well as HS. you get a bridge guy in FA that you can afford that should play at a decent level, and will allow you to put cap savings into fixing the countless holes in the roster, and you DRAFT a player at QB that should put you over the top.look at it this way, if you let KC walk you can probably keep hunter, as well as have cash left to address a few other glaring needs which improves the team over all if you can add a decent bridge QB, Browning has looked that way in Cincy, Minshew, would be another guy that comes to mind. If you fix the IOL you dont need KC to have a stout O, but if you keep KC and cant afford to fix the IOL and the holes on D, you have what we have had the last few years, good but not good enough, the D gets blamed, the OL gets blamed, the coaches get blamed... but the blame never seems to fall on the root cause and that is underperforming contracts, one being Cousins, as well as contracts that put cap strain on unplayed/void years.
@"StickyBun" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"StickyBun" said: Thanks, Jared. Yes, lets go get 'the kid in Cincinnati' to start for us. Sigh. Because 'a relatively cheap price' is what you're looking for from the most important position in the NFL.I can see this is going to be one hell of an offseason. I'd also like to know what Troy Williamson and Darrin Nelson think about who we should get at QB.
Pretty sure he was suggesting Browning as an affordable bridge option, and that is not a bad take IMO, i would rather not give up any draft picks to get a bridge guy though. There's a handful of UFA QBs coming up that should play decently for much less than Cousins would likely want.
Play decently? lol.
if KC is worth big money...shouldnt he be able to get the job done without high priced receivers? Green Bay has shown for 2 decades that a top tier QB doesnt need high priced talent at the WR and TE position, that the QB can elevate the players he has and be competitive. So if we have all this great talent, maybe a decent QB would be good enough to get a decent season without paying 40 million and killing the chances of improving the roster in other areas or once again kicking the cap hit into the future, screwing up future rosters.
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"StickyBun" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"StickyBun" said: Thanks, Jared. Yes, lets go get 'the kid in Cincinnati' to start for us. Sigh. Because 'a relatively cheap price' is what you're looking for from the most important position in the NFL.I can see this is going to be one hell of an offseason. I'd also like to know what Troy Williamson and Darrin Nelson think about who we should get at QB.
Pretty sure he was suggesting Browning as an affordable bridge option, and that is not a bad take IMO, i would rather not give up any draft picks to get a bridge guy though. There's a handful of UFA QBs coming up that should play decently for much less than Cousins would likely want.
Play decently? lol.
if KC is worth big money...shouldnt he be able to get the job done without high priced receivers? Green Bay has shown for 2 decades that a top tier QB doesnt need high priced talent at the WR and TE position, that the QB can elevate the players he has and be competitive. So if we have all this great talent, maybe a decent QB would be good enough to get a decent season without paying 40 million and killing the chances of improving the roster in other areas or once again kicking the cap hit into the future, screwing up future rosters.
Here's the deal...this all boils down to whether you want to see this whole thing blown up or not. The ONLY way you don't nuke this entire roster aftet getting rid of Kirk is to get EXTREMELY lucky drafting a QB and hit on a superstar right away. Not saying it's not possible, but the odds are massively against us.A "bridge QB" = a complete waste of a season next year. Literally, don't even bother suiting up. There is absolutely NO quarterback that'll be available in FA who will be anything more than a 6-11 to 8-9 placeholder that barely knows the offense and has zero chemistry with the offense. The entire idea of a "bridge QB" is stupid.
If a bridge QB is their answer, they might as well trade every valuable piece they have for draft picks.If they let Kirk walk, they have absolutely no choice other than to sell the entire farm to the Bears to move up to #1 to choose between Maye and Williams (the ONLY two rookie QBs talented enough to start)and pray to God you get it right.
That's it...those are the options:
Kirk, Go get a Franchise Rookie QB who can start from day 1, or press the red button and completely blow it up
@"CFIAvike" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"StickyBun" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"StickyBun" said: Thanks, Jared. Yes, lets go get 'the kid in Cincinnati' to start for us. Sigh. Because 'a relatively cheap price' is what you're looking for from the most important position in the NFL.I can see this is going to be one hell of an offseason. I'd also like to know what Troy Williamson and Darrin Nelson think about who we should get at QB.
Pretty sure he was suggesting Browning as an affordable bridge option, and that is not a bad take IMO, i would rather not give up any draft picks to get a bridge guy though. There's a handful of UFA QBs coming up that should play decently for much less than Cousins would likely want.
Play decently? lol.
if KC is worth big money...shouldnt he be able to get the job done without high priced receivers? Green Bay has shown for 2 decades that a top tier QB doesnt need high priced talent at the WR and TE position, that the QB can elevate the players he has and be competitive. So if we have all this great talent, maybe a decent QB would be good enough to get a decent season without paying 40 million and killing the chances of improving the roster in other areas or once again kicking the cap hit into the future, screwing up future rosters.
Here's the deal...this all boils down to whether you want to see this whole thing blown up or not. The ONLY way you don't nuke this entire roster aftet getting rid of Kirk is to get EXTREMELY lucky drafting a QB and hit on a superstar right away. Not saying it's not possible, but the odds are massively against us.A "bridge QB" = a complete waste of a season next year. Literally, don't even bother suiting up. There is absolutely NO quarterback that'll be available in FA who will be anything more than a 6-11 to 8-9 placeholder that barely knows the offense and has zero chemistry with the offense. The entire idea of a "bridge QB" is stupid.
If a bridge QB is their answer, they might as well trade every valuable piece they have for draft picks.If they let Kirk walk, they have absolutely no choice other than to sell the entire farm to the Bears to move up to #1 to choose between Maye and Williams (the ONLY two rookie QBs talented enough to start)and pray to God you get it right.
That's it...those are the options:
Kirk, Go get a Franchise Rookie QB who can start from day 1, or press the red button and completely blow it up
Why is the only option to nuke the
roster? Most of our old expensive
players are already gone. Most of our
young good players will still be young enough and good enough whether it takes
us a year or two or three to find a QB.
What would be the point in bringing any QB into a scorched earth roster?
@"medaille" said:@"CFIAvike" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"StickyBun" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"StickyBun" said: Thanks, Jared. Yes, lets go get 'the kid in Cincinnati' to start for us. Sigh. Because 'a relatively cheap price' is what you're looking for from the most important position in the NFL.I can see this is going to be one hell of an offseason. I'd also like to know what Troy Williamson and Darrin Nelson think about who we should get at QB.
Pretty sure he was suggesting Browning as an affordable bridge option, and that is not a bad take IMO, i would rather not give up any draft picks to get a bridge guy though. There's a handful of UFA QBs coming up that should play decently for much less than Cousins would likely want.
Play decently? lol.
if KC is worth big money...shouldnt he be able to get the job done without high priced receivers? Green Bay has shown for 2 decades that a top tier QB doesnt need high priced talent at the WR and TE position, that the QB can elevate the players he has and be competitive. So if we have all this great talent, maybe a decent QB would be good enough to get a decent season without paying 40 million and killing the chances of improving the roster in other areas or once again kicking the cap hit into the future, screwing up future rosters.
Here's the deal...this all boils down to whether you want to see this whole thing blown up or not. The ONLY way you don't nuke this entire roster aftet getting rid of Kirk is to get EXTREMELY lucky drafting a QB and hit on a superstar right away. Not saying it's not possible, but the odds are massively against us.A "bridge QB" = a complete waste of a season next year. Literally, don't even bother suiting up. There is absolutely NO quarterback that'll be available in FA who will be anything more than a 6-11 to 8-9 placeholder that barely knows the offense and has zero chemistry with the offense. The entire idea of a "bridge QB" is stupid.
If a bridge QB is their answer, they might as well trade every valuable piece they have for draft picks.If they let Kirk walk, they have absolutely no choice other than to sell the entire farm to the Bears to move up to #1 to choose between Maye and Williams (the ONLY two rookie QBs talented enough to start)and pray to God you get it right.
That's it...those are the options:
Kirk, Go get a Franchise Rookie QB who can start from day 1, or press the red button and completely blow it up
Why is the only option to nuke the
roster? Most of our old expensive
players are already gone. Most of our
young good players will still be young enough and good enough whether it takes
us a year or two or three to find a QB.
What would be the point in bringing any QB into a scorched earth roster?
3 years is a lifetime in the NFL. Mike Vrabel was Coach of the year 3 years ago and now he's fired. Justin Jefferson's future contracts will depend on a Good/great QB to get him the ball. If you think he's gonna opt to stick around while we "try to figure it out" at QB, you're nuts. In 3 years Jordan Addison will be at the end of his rookie deal....what if we haven't figured out or by then?Hell this entire front office could be gone in 3 years if they don't get this right.
If the decision is made to move on from one of the faces of your franchise at the QB position, you can't go into next year with fucking Gardner Minshew and a prospect that may or may not work out in 3 years If they covet the young pieces they've assembled, they absolutely must go out and get a Franchise day one starter at all costs.
Otherwise, they need to sell off everything of value stockpile draft picks, clear the cap, completely start over, and STILL find a Franchise QB in the process
@"CFIAvike" said:@"medaille" said:@"CFIAvike" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"StickyBun" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"StickyBun" said: Thanks, Jared. Yes, lets go get 'the kid in Cincinnati' to start for us. Sigh. Because 'a relatively cheap price' is what you're looking for from the most important position in the NFL.I can see this is going to be one hell of an offseason. I'd also like to know what Troy Williamson and Darrin Nelson think about who we should get at QB.
Pretty sure he was suggesting Browning as an affordable bridge option, and that is not a bad take IMO, i would rather not give up any draft picks to get a bridge guy though. There's a handful of UFA QBs coming up that should play decently for much less than Cousins would likely want.
Play decently? lol.
if KC is worth big money...shouldnt he be able to get the job done without high priced receivers? Green Bay has shown for 2 decades that a top tier QB doesnt need high priced talent at the WR and TE position, that the QB can elevate the players he has and be competitive. So if we have all this great talent, maybe a decent QB would be good enough to get a decent season without paying 40 million and killing the chances of improving the roster in other areas or once again kicking the cap hit into the future, screwing up future rosters.
Here's the deal...this all boils down to whether you want to see this whole thing blown up or not. The ONLY way you don't nuke this entire roster aftet getting rid of Kirk is to get EXTREMELY lucky drafting a QB and hit on a superstar right away. Not saying it's not possible, but the odds are massively against us.A "bridge QB" = a complete waste of a season next year. Literally, don't even bother suiting up. There is absolutely NO quarterback that'll be available in FA who will be anything more than a 6-11 to 8-9 placeholder that barely knows the offense and has zero chemistry with the offense. The entire idea of a "bridge QB" is stupid.
If a bridge QB is their answer, they might as well trade every valuable piece they have for draft picks.If they let Kirk walk, they have absolutely no choice other than to sell the entire farm to the Bears to move up to #1 to choose between Maye and Williams (the ONLY two rookie QBs talented enough to start)and pray to God you get it right.
That's it...those are the options:
Kirk, Go get a Franchise Rookie QB who can start from day 1, or press the red button and completely blow it up
Why is the only option to nuke the
roster? Most of our old expensive
players are already gone. Most of our
young good players will still be young enough and good enough whether it takes
us a year or two or three to find a QB.
What would be the point in bringing any QB into a scorched earth roster?
3 years is a lifetime in the NFL. Mike Vrabel was Coach of the year 3 years ago and now he's fired. Justin Jefferson's future contracts will depend on a Good/great QB to get him the ball. If you think he's gonna opt to stick around while we "try to figure it out" at QB, you're nuts. In 3 years Jordan Addison will be at the end of his rookie deal....what if we haven't figured out or by then?Hell this entire front office could be gone in 3 years if they don't get this right.
If the decision is made to move on from one of the faces of your franchise at the QB position, you can't go into next year with fucking Gardner Minshew and a prospect that may or may not work out in 3 years If they covet the young pieces they've assembled, they absolutely must go out and get a Franchise day one starter at all costs.
Otherwise, they need to sell off everything of value stockpile draft picks, clear the cap, completely start over, and STILL find a Franchise QB in the process
the veteran QB is to allow the rookie a little more than OTAs and training camp to get up to speed, this isnt the old times where you could have 2 a days and unlimited offseason practices, your veteran is just an affordable place holder until the rookie is ready. Even the best QBs to ever play the game started behind somebody else for a short time to get acclimated. even if the plan is to go all in on a QB that could be a day 1 starter, you still have to have a back up plan in place. Apparently Hall isnt ready to be a #2, neither Mullings nor Dobbs appeared to be the guy... so yes you go find a guy that will play for less than starter money, but will likely pay more than #2 money. Hell your rookie could end up getting hurt in camp and you still need a guy to play QB until he is healthy. This makes more sense than signing KC for 2 more years at big money and still going all in on his replacement.
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"CFIAvike" said:@"medaille" said:@"CFIAvike" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"StickyBun" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"StickyBun" said: Thanks, Jared. Yes, lets go get 'the kid in Cincinnati' to start for us. Sigh. Because 'a relatively cheap price' is what you're looking for from the most important position in the NFL.I can see this is going to be one hell of an offseason. I'd also like to know what Troy Williamson and Darrin Nelson think about who we should get at QB.
Pretty sure he was suggesting Browning as an affordable bridge option, and that is not a bad take IMO, i would rather not give up any draft picks to get a bridge guy though. There's a handful of UFA QBs coming up that should play decently for much less than Cousins would likely want.
Play decently? lol.
if KC is worth big money...shouldnt he be able to get the job done without high priced receivers? Green Bay has shown for 2 decades that a top tier QB doesnt need high priced talent at the WR and TE position, that the QB can elevate the players he has and be competitive. So if we have all this great talent, maybe a decent QB would be good enough to get a decent season without paying 40 million and killing the chances of improving the roster in other areas or once again kicking the cap hit into the future, screwing up future rosters.
Here's the deal...this all boils down to whether you want to see this whole thing blown up or not. The ONLY way you don't nuke this entire roster aftet getting rid of Kirk is to get EXTREMELY lucky drafting a QB and hit on a superstar right away. Not saying it's not possible, but the odds are massively against us.A "bridge QB" = a complete waste of a season next year. Literally, don't even bother suiting up. There is absolutely NO quarterback that'll be available in FA who will be anything more than a 6-11 to 8-9 placeholder that barely knows the offense and has zero chemistry with the offense. The entire idea of a "bridge QB" is stupid.
If a bridge QB is their answer, they might as well trade every valuable piece they have for draft picks.If they let Kirk walk, they have absolutely no choice other than to sell the entire farm to the Bears to move up to #1 to choose between Maye and Williams (the ONLY two rookie QBs talented enough to start)and pray to God you get it right.
That's it...those are the options:
Kirk, Go get a Franchise Rookie QB who can start from day 1, or press the red button and completely blow it up
Why is the only option to nuke the
roster? Most of our old expensive
players are already gone. Most of our
young good players will still be young enough and good enough whether it takes
us a year or two or three to find a QB.
What would be the point in bringing any QB into a scorched earth roster?
3 years is a lifetime in the NFL. Mike Vrabel was Coach of the year 3 years ago and now he's fired. Justin Jefferson's future contracts will depend on a Good/great QB to get him the ball. If you think he's gonna opt to stick around while we "try to figure it out" at QB, you're nuts. In 3 years Jordan Addison will be at the end of his rookie deal....what if we haven't figured out or by then?Hell this entire front office could be gone in 3 years if they don't get this right.
If the decision is made to move on from one of the faces of your franchise at the QB position, you can't go into next year with fucking Gardner Minshew and a prospect that may or may not work out in 3 years If they covet the young pieces they've assembled, they absolutely must go out and get a Franchise day one starter at all costs.
Otherwise, they need to sell off everything of value stockpile draft picks, clear the cap, completely start over, and STILL find a Franchise QB in the process
the veteran QB is to allow the rookie a little more than OTAs and training camp to get up to speed, this isnt the old times where you could have 2 a days and unlimited offseason practices, your veteran is just an affordable place holder until the rookie is ready. Even the best QBs to ever play the game started behind somebody else for a short time to get acclimated. even if the plan is to go all in on a QB that could be a day 1 starter, you still have to have a back up plan in place. Apparently Hall isnt ready to be a #2, neither Mullings nor Dobbs appeared to be the guy... so yes you go find a guy that will play for less than starter money, but will likely pay more than #2 money. Hell your rookie could end up getting hurt in camp and you still need a guy to play QB until he is healthy. This makes more sense than signing KC for 2 more years at big money and still going all in on his replacement.
So sign a career back up QB to start ....got it. That should fire up the fan base and sell tix.If you draft a QB that you need to give time to develop, you've drafted a QB who is more likely to fail than succeed. In which case you might as well blow everything up and start over....ala my original point
@"CFIAvike" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"CFIAvike" said:@"medaille" said:@"CFIAvike" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"StickyBun" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"StickyBun" said: Thanks, Jared. Yes, lets go get 'the kid in Cincinnati' to start for us. Sigh. Because 'a relatively cheap price' is what you're looking for from the most important position in the NFL.I can see this is going to be one hell of an offseason. I'd also like to know what Troy Williamson and Darrin Nelson think about who we should get at QB.
Pretty sure he was suggesting Browning as an affordable bridge option, and that is not a bad take IMO, i would rather not give up any draft picks to get a bridge guy though. There's a handful of UFA QBs coming up that should play decently for much less than Cousins would likely want.
Play decently? lol.
if KC is worth big money...shouldnt he be able to get the job done without high priced receivers? Green Bay has shown for 2 decades that a top tier QB doesnt need high priced talent at the WR and TE position, that the QB can elevate the players he has and be competitive. So if we have all this great talent, maybe a decent QB would be good enough to get a decent season without paying 40 million and killing the chances of improving the roster in other areas or once again kicking the cap hit into the future, screwing up future rosters.
Here's the deal...this all boils down to whether you want to see this whole thing blown up or not. The ONLY way you don't nuke this entire roster aftet getting rid of Kirk is to get EXTREMELY lucky drafting a QB and hit on a superstar right away. Not saying it's not possible, but the odds are massively against us.A "bridge QB" = a complete waste of a season next year. Literally, don't even bother suiting up. There is absolutely NO quarterback that'll be available in FA who will be anything more than a 6-11 to 8-9 placeholder that barely knows the offense and has zero chemistry with the offense. The entire idea of a "bridge QB" is stupid.
If a bridge QB is their answer, they might as well trade every valuable piece they have for draft picks.If they let Kirk walk, they have absolutely no choice other than to sell the entire farm to the Bears to move up to #1 to choose between Maye and Williams (the ONLY two rookie QBs talented enough to start)and pray to God you get it right.
That's it...those are the options:
Kirk, Go get a Franchise Rookie QB who can start from day 1, or press the red button and completely blow it up
Why is the only option to nuke the
roster? Most of our old expensive
players are already gone. Most of our
young good players will still be young enough and good enough whether it takes
us a year or two or three to find a QB.
What would be the point in bringing any QB into a scorched earth roster?
3 years is a lifetime in the NFL. Mike Vrabel was Coach of the year 3 years ago and now he's fired. Justin Jefferson's future contracts will depend on a Good/great QB to get him the ball. If you think he's gonna opt to stick around while we "try to figure it out" at QB, you're nuts. In 3 years Jordan Addison will be at the end of his rookie deal....what if we haven't figured out or by then?Hell this entire front office could be gone in 3 years if they don't get this right.
If the decision is made to move on from one of the faces of your franchise at the QB position, you can't go into next year with fucking Gardner Minshew and a prospect that may or may not work out in 3 years If they covet the young pieces they've assembled, they absolutely must go out and get a Franchise day one starter at all costs.
Otherwise, they need to sell off everything of value stockpile draft picks, clear the cap, completely start over, and STILL find a Franchise QB in the process
the veteran QB is to allow the rookie a little more than OTAs and training camp to get up to speed, this isnt the old times where you could have 2 a days and unlimited offseason practices, your veteran is just an affordable place holder until the rookie is ready. Even the best QBs to ever play the game started behind somebody else for a short time to get acclimated. even if the plan is to go all in on a QB that could be a day 1 starter, you still have to have a back up plan in place. Apparently Hall isnt ready to be a #2, neither Mullings nor Dobbs appeared to be the guy... so yes you go find a guy that will play for less than starter money, but will likely pay more than #2 money. Hell your rookie could end up getting hurt in camp and you still need a guy to play QB until he is healthy. This makes more sense than signing KC for 2 more years at big money and still going all in on his replacement.
So sign a career back up QB to start ....got it. That should fire up the fan base and sell tix
he is getting signed to be a better #2 than what we have on the chance that the new kid is not ready to take the reins right away. why is it so hard for some to accept that not every draft pick will be ready day 1, especially a QB that has to learn way more about an offense than any other position in the game? Every year we see other positional players drafted ( even high round picks) that end up sitting the first month or so, and there is very little said, its just accepted that they werent up to speed yet and we go on our way until at least mid season and then the bust mumblings start.the one and only advantage I would see to doing it your way and just going all in on the rookie starting day 1 is they would then likely get more reps with the starters than an assumed #2 would. You are going to have some cap savings, so why not put a little into the #2 QB in the likelihood of needing them at some point?
And if "placeholder" is all you want, then it might as well be Mullins. At least he knows the system and knows he's nothing more than a back up.
Because that's the skill level we're taking about here. NO ONE with starter skills is going to sign for less that starter money
@"CFIAvike" said:@"medaille" said:@"CFIAvike" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"StickyBun" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"StickyBun" said: Thanks, Jared. Yes, lets go get 'the kid in Cincinnati' to start for us. Sigh. Because 'a relatively cheap price' is what you're looking for from the most important position in the NFL.I can see this is going to be one hell of an offseason. I'd also like to know what Troy Williamson and Darrin Nelson think about who we should get at QB.
Pretty sure he was suggesting Browning as an affordable bridge option, and that is not a bad take IMO, i would rather not give up any draft picks to get a bridge guy though. There's a handful of UFA QBs coming up that should play decently for much less than Cousins would likely want.
Play decently? lol.
if KC is worth big money...shouldnt he be able to get the job done without high priced receivers? Green Bay has shown for 2 decades that a top tier QB doesnt need high priced talent at the WR and TE position, that the QB can elevate the players he has and be competitive. So if we have all this great talent, maybe a decent QB would be good enough to get a decent season without paying 40 million and killing the chances of improving the roster in other areas or once again kicking the cap hit into the future, screwing up future rosters.
Here's the deal...this all boils down to whether you want to see this whole thing blown up or not. The ONLY way you don't nuke this entire roster aftet getting rid of Kirk is to get EXTREMELY lucky drafting a QB and hit on a superstar right away. Not saying it's not possible, but the odds are massively against us.A "bridge QB" = a complete waste of a season next year. Literally, don't even bother suiting up. There is absolutely NO quarterback that'll be available in FA who will be anything more than a 6-11 to 8-9 placeholder that barely knows the offense and has zero chemistry with the offense. The entire idea of a "bridge QB" is stupid.
If a bridge QB is their answer, they might as well trade every valuable piece they have for draft picks.If they let Kirk walk, they have absolutely no choice other than to sell the entire farm to the Bears to move up to #1 to choose between Maye and Williams (the ONLY two rookie QBs talented enough to start)and pray to God you get it right.
That's it...those are the options:
Kirk, Go get a Franchise Rookie QB who can start from day 1, or press the red button and completely blow it up
Why is the only option to nuke the
roster? Most of our old expensive
players are already gone. Most of our
young good players will still be young enough and good enough whether it takes
us a year or two or three to find a QB.
What would be the point in bringing any QB into a scorched earth roster?
3 years is a lifetime in the NFL. Mike Vrabel was Coach of the year 3 years ago and now he's fired. Justin Jefferson's future contracts will depend on a Good/great QB to get him the ball. If you think he's gonna opt to stick around while we "try to figure it out" at QB, you're nuts. In 3 years Jordan Addison will be at the end of his rookie deal....what if we haven't figured out or by then?Hell this entire front office could be gone in 3 years if they don't get this right.
If the decision is made to move on from one of the faces of your franchise at the QB position, you can't go into next year with fucking Gardner Minshew and a prospect that may or may not work out in 3 years If they covet the young pieces they've assembled, they absolutely must go out and get a Franchise day one starter at all costs.
Otherwise, they need to sell off everything of value stockpile draft picks, clear the cap, completely start over, and STILL find a Franchise QB in the process
I think that if teams used your logic, they’d never be able
to build a team. They’d be constantly
tearing everything down, because things are never perfect, and if things aren’t
perfect you need to tear it down. In 3
years when your franchise QB is getting creamed behind your backup caliber
OLine and throwing to your backup caliber WRs, because we traded away all our
good players, you’ll be saying “Why would they want to stay here? There’s no talent here. We should trade our franchise QB for picks and
go get another franchise QB that isn’t going to abandon us, but this time we
need to surround him with talent”Regarding JJ leaving, honestly, think about it. How many premier players can you name off the
top of your head that just decided to test the waters of free agency when they
had a 4 year offer on the table at fair market value? Almost none.
This is not a fear you need to have.
We control where Jefferson plays for the next 2-3 years. If JJ doesn’t really want to play here or he’s
asking too much, he’s going to get franchise tagged and he’s going to have to
weigh out whether or not he wants to not play a season and lose a full year in
his prime, play the season and risk getting hurt without having received that
massive contract, or just sign the contract, get $120M dollars, and suck it up
and play for a team that’s treated him pretty well.
@"CFIAvike" said: And if "placeholder" is all you want, then it might as well be Mullins. At least he knows the system and knows he's nothing more than a back up.Because that's the skill level we're taking about here. NO ONE with starter skills is going to sign for less that starter money
you can find guys that are bottom tier starters that play for much less than what KC is likely to be getting. Baker Mayfield is expected to sign a deal for under 20 per year, why not go get Baker, even if its on a longer term at say 18 million per year, give him some trade protections, and then still go get your rookie. the team comes out millions ahead, has a much better back if the rookie wins out, and still has a QB that will put butts in the seats ( although I dont think that is a problem yet based on the resale market ticket prices ( even after Kirk went down )
People act as if we're cash strapped. If/when Harry hangs em up, we have another 15 million to add to the 42 million in cap space we have. I don't expect Davenport back, Tonga and Lynch probably gone. Sheldon Day? None are big money, but together probably save another 5-6 million. We can do whatever we want to do on a 2 yr. deal on the QB front and it isn't going to cripple this team from making any moves it needs to in FA. This year will be a cakewalk for Brez compared to the last couple. As stated before, can the front office land the right guys instead of dead wood in FA? Can they recognize talent in the draft? Analytics need to go bye bye this year, and find people that pass the eye test, stand out on game tape, and fit what this team lacks.
@"mgobluevikes" said: People act as if we're cash strapped. If/when Harry hangs em up, we have another 15 million to add to the 42 million in cap space we have. I don't expect Davenport back, Tonga and Lynch probably gone. Sheldon Day? None are big money, but together probably save another 5-6 million. We can do whatever we want to do on a 2 yr. deal on the QB front and it isn't going to cripple this team from making any moves it needs to in FA. This year will be a cakewalk for Brez compared to the last couple. As stated before, can the front office land the right guys instead of dead wood in FA? Can they recognize talent in the draft? Analytics need to go bye bye this year, and find people that pass the eye test, stand out on game tape, and fit what this team lacks.Bravo and I'll toss in an "amen"
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"CFIAvike" said: And if "placeholder" is all you want, then it might as well be Mullins. At least he knows the system and knows he's nothing more than a back up.Because that's the skill level we're taking about here. NO ONE with starter skills is going to sign for less that starter money
you can find guys that are bottom tier starters that play for much less than what KC is likely to be getting. Baker Mayfield is expected to sign a deal for under 20 per year, why not go get Baker, even if its on a longer term at say 18 million per year, give him some trade protections, and then still go get your rookie. the team comes out millions ahead, has a much better back if the rookie wins out, and still has a QB that will put butts in the seats ( although I dont think that is a problem yet based on the resale market ticket prices ( even after Kirk went down )
That's what I want to see "lower tier starters" until we happen upon a QB in the draft. That's how you get 7-8 years of Sean Salisbury, Sage Rosenfels, Matt Cassel, Case Keenum, washed up Donovan McNabb, Gus Frerotte...Sign me up dude....that's gonna be awesome
@"CFIAvike" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"CFIAvike" said: And if "placeholder" is all you want, then it might as well be Mullins. At least he knows the system and knows he's nothing more than a back up.Because that's the skill level we're taking about here. NO ONE with starter skills is going to sign for less that starter money
you can find guys that are bottom tier starters that play for much less than what KC is likely to be getting. Baker Mayfield is expected to sign a deal for under 20 per year, why not go get Baker, even if its on a longer term at say 18 million per year, give him some trade protections, and then still go get your rookie. the team comes out millions ahead, has a much better back if the rookie wins out, and still has a QB that will put butts in the seats ( although I dont think that is a problem yet based on the resale market ticket prices ( even after Kirk went down )
That's what I want to see "lower tier starters" until we happen upon a QB in the draft. That's how you get 7-8 years of Sean Salisbury, Sage Rosenfels, Matt Cassel, Case Keenum, washed up Donovan McNabb, Gus Frerotte...Sign me up dude....that's gonna be awesome
Sounds fun, doesn't it? And then the odds of a drafted QB not making it are higher than making it, so all of these hopes pinned to a new savior QB and it doesn't work? 10 years of garbage football.
@"CFIAvike" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"CFIAvike" said: And if "placeholder" is all you want, then it might as well be Mullins. At least he knows the system and knows he's nothing more than a back up.Because that's the skill level we're taking about here. NO ONE with starter skills is going to sign for less that starter money
you can find guys that are bottom tier starters that play for much less than what KC is likely to be getting. Baker Mayfield is expected to sign a deal for under 20 per year, why not go get Baker, even if its on a longer term at say 18 million per year, give him some trade protections, and then still go get your rookie. the team comes out millions ahead, has a much better back if the rookie wins out, and still has a QB that will put butts in the seats ( although I dont think that is a problem yet based on the resale market ticket prices ( even after Kirk went down )
That's what I want to see "lower tier starters" until we happen upon a QB in the draft. That's how you get 7-8 years of Sean Salisbury, Sage Rosenfels, Matt Cassel, Case Keenum, washed up Donovan McNabb, Gus Frerotte...Sign me up dude....that's gonna be awesome
You assume our draft pick fails in your hypothetical, I am going to say we find a quality guy who takes the reins in his first year, just maybe not right away which makes a quality #2 a good idea so you don't necessarily have a shit start to your season.i would say stay with Cousins if he would play for 20 to 25 million, but he won't so we find the best we can in that price range and fix the rest of the roster in preparation for a new QB1.Whats the harm in giving the new QB a little extra time to prepare? The fans have to wait a little to see their shiny new toy in action? You are worried about years of shit play, rushing kids into situations they aren't prepared for is just as likely to lead to shit play. Whoever it is will still be learning, just not getting piss pounded weekly by the media and the opponents until he's had a little time to absorb the pro level.
Or maybe he starts right away, gets dinged and we need a decent backup to keep the season from going to shit until our new #1 returns, imagine if KC had only been out for 6 weeks and could have returned in December how much better off we would have been with a quality back up ( if we could have afforded one)
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