Every 1st & 2nd round QB since 2000

Yeah, every year the talking heads / press fluffs these guys.  Most really need a couple years holding a clipboard first, but all to many thrown to the wolves immediately.

Looks more and more like there are 3 guys and throw a dart for the rest. That will leave the Vikings throwing darts for a QBOTF.

@"StickyBun" said: Looks more and more like there are 3 guys and throw a dart for the rest. That will leave the Vikings throwing darts for a QBOTF.

@"CFIAvike" said: Pro Bowlers denoted with an *

JaMarcus Russell Brady Quinn Kevin Kolb John Beck Drew Stanton David Carr Joey Harrington Patrick Ramsey EJ Manual Geno Smith*Sam Bradford Tim Tebow Jimmy Clausen Vince Young*Matt Leinart Jay Cutler*Kellen Clemens Tarvaris Jackson Jameis Winston Marcus Mariota Kenny Pickett Matt Stafford*Mark Sanchez Josh Freeman Pat White Kyler Murray*Daniel Jones Dwayne Haskins Drew Lock Chad Pennington Blake Bortles Johnny Manziel Teddy Bridgewater*Derek Carr*Jimmy G Trevor Lawrence*Zach Wilson Justin Fields Mac Jones* Kyle Trask Jared Goff*Carson Wentz*Paxton Lynch Christian Hackenburg Cam Newton*Jake Locker Blaine Gabbert Christian Ponder Andy Dalton*Colin Kaepernick Matt Ryan* Joe FlaccoBrian Brohm Chad Henne Carson Palmer*Byron Leftwich Kyle Boller Rex Grossman Mike Vick*Drew Brees*Quincy Carter Marquis Tuiasosopo Andrew Luck*RG3*Ryan Tannehill*Brandon Weeden Brock Osweiller Alex Smith*Aaron Rodgers*Jason Campbell Baker Mayfield  Sam Darnold Josh Allen* Josh Rosen Lamar Jackson*Mitch Trubisky*Pat Mahomes*Deshaun Watson*DeShone Kizer Joe Burrow*Tua Justin Herbert* Jordan Love Eli Manning*Phillip Rivers*Big Ben*J.P. Losman Bryce Young CJ Stroud Anthony Richardson

91 QBs, 7 Super Bowl champs (as a starter), 31 Pro Bowlers. Every one of them drafted with the expectation of being the QBOTF. 

Not so easy to find a franchise guy. Not saying they can’t, but the odds aren’t in the Vikings favor. 

I think the analysis should be limited to the past decade because college football has changed a lot since 2000 and the QB coaching at the college level has greatly improved.  Think of Ponder, there are probably six or eight better prospects in this class alone.  You have much better data on college QBs now -- more passing snaps in more pro offenses.

This is what I would like to happen.  Vikes pick best defensive player, sign Cousins for two years and then trade their second to move up to #31-32 overall to take McCarthy (like they did with Bridgewater).

@"VikingOracle" said: This is what I would like to happen.  Vikes pick best defensive player, sign Cousins for two years and then trade their second to move up to #31-32 overall to take McCarthy (like they did with Bridgewater).

@"VikingOracle" said: I think the analysis should be limited to the past decade because college football has changed a lot since 2000 and the QB coaching at the college level has greatly improved.  Think of Ponder, there are probably six or eight better prospects in this class alone.  You have much better data on college QBs now -- more passing snaps in more pro offenses.

This is what I would like to happen.  Vikes pick best defensive player, sign Cousins for two years and then trade their second to move up to #31-32 overall to take McCarthy (like they did with Bridgewater).

But in this QB hungry league, I dont think JJM will last till the end of the 1st.  I think he will be viewed more favorably among GM's than a Levis too. 

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"VikingOracle" said: I think the analysis should be limited to the past decade because college football has changed a lot since 2000 and the QB coaching at the college level has greatly improved.  Think of Ponder, there are probably six or eight better prospects in this class alone.  You have much better data on college QBs now -- more passing snaps in more pro offenses.

This is what I would like to happen.  Vikes pick best defensive player, sign Cousins for two years and then trade their second to move up to #31-32 overall to take McCarthy (like they did with Bridgewater).

I would luv that! 

But in this QB hungry league, I dont think JJM will last till the end of the 1st.  I think he will be viewed more favorably among GM's than a Levis too. 

@"VikingOracle" said: I think the analysis should be limited to the past decade because college football has changed a lot since 2000 and the QB coaching at the college level has greatly improved.  Think of Ponder, there are probably six or eight better prospects in this class alone.  You have much better data on college QBs now -- more passing snaps in more pro offenses.

This is what I would like to happen.  Vikes pick best defensive player, sign Cousins for two years and then trade their second to move up to #31-32 overall to take McCarthy (like they did with Bridgewater).

@"TBro" said:

@"VikingOracle" said: I think the analysis should be limited to the past decade because college football has changed a lot since 2000 and the QB coaching at the college level has greatly improved.  Think of Ponder, there are probably six or eight better prospects in this class alone.  You have much better data on college QBs now -- more passing snaps in more pro offenses.

This is what I would like to happen.  Vikes pick best defensive player, sign Cousins for two years and then trade their second to move up to #31-32 overall to take McCarthy (like they did with Bridgewater).

Unfortunately, I think every other QB needy team has the same strategy. Kwesi wasn't able to move up to get Richardson despite a trade proposal that included a boat load of picks and Hunter per Brett Kollmann. If McCarthy has a good offseason leading up to the draft, he could easily move up to the 15-20 range. Michigan's offense didn't showcase the QB so we really don't know what he can do. I think a slight trade back for the Vikings and grabbing the best of the 2nd tier QB's is more realistic if we can't move up to get Daniels.  

@"TBro" said:

@"VikingOracle" said: I think the analysis should be limited to the past decade because college football has changed a lot since 2000 and the QB coaching at the college level has greatly improved.  Think of Ponder, there are probably six or eight better prospects in this class alone.  You have much better data on college QBs now -- more passing snaps in more pro offenses.

This is what I would like to happen.  Vikes pick best defensive player, sign Cousins for two years and then trade their second to move up to #31-32 overall to take McCarthy (like they did with Bridgewater).

Unfortunately, I think every other QB needy team has the same strategy. Kwesi wasn't able to move up to get Richardson despite a trade proposal that included a boat load of picks and Hunter per Brett Kollmann. If McCarthy has a good offseason leading up to the draft, he could easily move up to the 15-20 range. Michigan's offense didn't showcase the QB so we really don't know what he can do. I think a slight trade back for the Vikings and grabbing the best of the 2nd tier QB's is more realistic if we can't move up to get Daniels.  

Did a big write up and the page reloaded and erased it all. Serves me right for not saving as I went. 
I started reviewing guys the past week and this is my current top 5

1. Jayden Daniels
2. Caleb Williams
3. Bo Nix
4. Penix Jr * (injury concern could drop him out of my top 5)
5. JJ McCarthy

In the tape I’ve watched thus far, The guy I’ve been least impressed with is Drake Maye. We’ll see if that changes, but as of now he’s a 2nd rounder in my opinion. Thought I’d make this comment since I see him mentioned so much.

As of now, I see 3 surefire first round picks. 
Other thought: Most underrated player in Nix and he’s a guy who could greatly benefit behind a guy like Cousins for a year or two. Caleb Williams has a monster arm (65 yard air TD throw in stride seen on film), and Jayden Daniels has great arm talent to go along with exceptional speed and running ability. 
I’ll update as I watch more film. 

so today i've seen the knock on Penix,  several times,  that he doesnt play real defenses because he is a pac12  QB,  yet nobody mentions that when talking about the success of Caleb Williams,  why is that?  they play basically the same teams every year,  in their SR seasons Penix rose to the challenge until last night, but Williams seemed to have a real problem at times this year.  Why is Williams still in conversation for a top pick,  but Penix drops after a bad game against the best team in the country?

@"CFIAvike" said: Pro Bowlers denoted with an *

... 91 QBs, 7 Super Bowl champs (as a starter), 31 Pro Bowlers. Every one of them drafted with the expectation of being the QBOTF. 

Not so easy to find a franchise guy. Not saying they can’t, but the odds aren’t in the Vikings favor. 

@"CFIAvike" said: Pro Bowlers denoted with an *

JaMarcus Russell Brady Quinn Kevin Kolb John Beck Drew Stanton David Carr Joey Harrington Patrick Ramsey EJ Manual Geno Smith*Sam Bradford Tim Tebow Jimmy Clausen Vince Young*Matt Leinart Jay Cutler*Kellen Clemens Tarvaris Jackson Jameis Winston Marcus Mariota Kenny Pickett Matt Stafford*Mark Sanchez Josh Freeman Pat White Kyler Murray*Daniel Jones Dwayne Haskins Drew Lock Chad Pennington Blake Bortles Johnny Manziel Teddy Bridgewater*Derek Carr*Jimmy G Trevor Lawrence*Zach Wilson Justin Fields Mac Jones* Kyle Trask Jared Goff*Carson Wentz*Paxton Lynch Christian Hackenburg Cam Newton*Jake Locker Blaine Gabbert Christian Ponder Andy Dalton*Colin Kaepernick Matt Ryan* Joe FlaccoBrian Brohm Chad Henne Carson Palmer*Byron Leftwich Kyle Boller Rex Grossman Mike Vick*Drew Brees*Quincy Carter Marquis Tuiasosopo Andrew Luck*RG3*Ryan Tannehill*Brandon Weeden Brock Osweiller Alex Smith*Aaron Rodgers*Jason Campbell Baker Mayfield  Sam Darnold Josh Allen* Josh Rosen Lamar Jackson*Mitch Trubisky*Pat Mahomes*Deshaun Watson*DeShone Kizer Joe Burrow*Tua Justin Herbert* Jordan Love Eli Manning*Phillip Rivers*Big Ben*J.P. Losman Bryce Young CJ Stroud Anthony Richardson

91 QBs, 7 Super Bowl champs (as a starter), 31 Pro Bowlers. Every one of them drafted with the expectation of being the QBOTF. 

Not so easy to find a franchise guy. Not saying they can’t, but the odds aren’t in the Vikings favor. 

@"VikingOracle" said: I think the analysis should be limited to the past decade because college football has changed a lot since 2000 and the QB coaching at the college level has greatly improved.  Think of Ponder, there are probably six or eight better prospects in this class alone.  You have much better data on college QBs now -- more passing snaps in more pro offenses.

This is what I would like to happen.  Vikes pick best defensive player, sign Cousins for two years and then trade their second to move up to #31-32 overall to take McCarthy (like they did with Bridgewater).

@"Havoc1649" said: Did a big write up and the page reloaded and erased it all. Serves me right for not saving as I went. 

I started reviewing guys the past week and this is my current top 5

1. Jayden Daniels
2. Caleb Williams
3. Bo Nix
4. Penix Jr * (injury concern could drop him out of my top 5)
5. JJ McCarthy

In the tape I’ve watched thus far, The guy I’ve been least impressed with is Drake Maye. We’ll see if that changes, but as of now he’s a 2nd rounder in my opinion. Thought I’d make this comment since I see him mentioned so much.

As of now, I see 3 surefire first round picks. 
Other thought: Most underrated player in Nix and he’s a guy who could greatly benefit behind a guy like Cousins for a year or two. Caleb Williams has a monster arm (65 yard air TD throw in stride seen on film), and Jayden Daniels has great arm talent to go along with exceptional speed and running ability. 
I’ll update as I watch more film. 

Caleb Williams might be the best athlete I've ever seen at the QB position. His athletic instincts--vision, footwork, dazzle--are Harlem-Globetrotter-like. But I think if you try to make him fit into a pro-style pocket passing offense, you're making a mistake. 

Daniels is this year's Anthony Richardson...or Vince Young on the downside. A skinnier robo QB with tools for days. Boom or bust. 

I think draft season--Senior Bowl, combine, pro days, interviews--is going to have a lot to say about where the other three rank IMO.