On the biggest stage of their careers

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: I don't think last night's game is going to change their stocks much. Both QBs have sort of "artificially" risen to the top half of the 1st round due to mock drafts and all the QB-needy teams in the top 10. 

Did the NFL actually have them that high? Not likely. So all you guys who were worried 6 QBs were going to go in the top 6 can now rest easy. 

Fair enough...

MHJ is going to probably go top 5 and I dont know if there is a DL or OL rated that highly. 

Everyone is going to over-react to last night. That said, some good points brought up in this thread 

I actually liked some of what I saw of JJM. If he ends up a Viking, it has got to be with the intent he sits a year (2?) behind KC. 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"kmillard" said: great analysis. 

sorry, i didn’t know a full film breakdown was required for a statement of opinion

What you're missing is it gets in the way of their narrative that Cousins sucks. It gets hard to follow but the excuse wagon is now here for how Penix pissed down his leg last night. 

@"MaroonBells" said: I don't think last night's game is going to change their stocks much. Both QBs have sort of "artificially" risen to the top half of the 1st round due to mock drafts and all the QB-needy teams in the top 10. 

Did the NFL actually have them that high? Not likely. So all you guys who were worried 6 QBs were going to go in the top 6 can now rest easy. 

Both will go first round, but i sure as hell dont see top 15 for either.  

From what I’m hearing about our lust for Richardson, you would have to think Daniels is the trade the farm talent for us. 

I think that game raised more questions than it answered 

Nobody asked for my opinion, but having watched the regular season games, I think Penix put up consistent numbers and is much stronger (and far more consistent than JJM...not even close.  JJ should stay in school one more year).  JJ's consistency was...not consistent...look at his per game numbers, but a lot of that was probably Harbaugh game-planning and managing their competition.  Not a fan of Caleb Williams, nor Drake Maye nor Jayden Daniels. 
I remain on the Bo Nix bandwagon.  Nix got significantly better each season.  I really like Nix's attitude, electing to play in the bowl game, whereas so many others did not.  Says volumes about the kid.  He's a leader.

@"StickyBun" said:

@"FLVike" said: yeah I have to agree, Cousins played much better in his championship game.

Penix will be a guy to take a hard pass on. You know, the guy you wanted to start his rookie year in the NFL, lol. 

@"FLVike" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"FLVike" said: yeah I have to agree, Cousins played much better in his championship game.

Penix will be a guy to take a hard pass on. You know, the guy you wanted to start his rookie year in the NFL, lol. 

Well I have said that I  would be happy with any of the top 5 QBs. Penix and McCarthy were my two because I have always thought Williams and Maye would be gone. I also would be happy with Nix. Now do I think any of these could play well enough to win if they start as a rookie? Yes

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"FLVike" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"FLVike" said: yeah I have to agree, Cousins played much better in his championship game.

Penix will be a guy to take a hard pass on. You know, the guy you wanted to start his rookie year in the NFL, lol. 

Well I have said that I  would be happy with any of the top 5 QBs. Penix and McCarthy were my two because I have always thought Williams and Maye would be gone. I also would be happy with Nix. Now do I think any of these could play well enough to win if they start as a rookie? Yes

Outside of Williams, Maye, and maybe Daniels....there's not one QB that should be starting next year. Not to say they can't be good eventually.  But if you're expecting an immediate return on anyone outside the top 3, you're going to be very disappointed 

@"bigbone62" said:

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"FLVike" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"FLVike" said: yeah I have to agree, Cousins played much better in his championship game.

Penix will be a guy to take a hard pass on. You know, the guy you wanted to start his rookie year in the NFL, lol. 

Well I have said that I  would be happy with any of the top 5 QBs. Penix and McCarthy were my two because I have always thought Williams and Maye would be gone. I also would be happy with Nix. Now do I think any of these could play well enough to win if they start as a rookie? Yes

Outside of Williams, Maye, and maybe Daniels....there's not one QB that should be starting next year. Not to say they can't be good eventually.  But if you're expecting an immediate return on anyone outside the top 3, you're going to be very disappointed 

It's the shiny new toy effect. Some people are so desperate to pivot off KC that they dont care to critically analyze the reality of the situation when it comes to young QB's and what the likely outcome is for year one play. Lol, because Stroud, ONE QB in all of last years draft had an unworldly season thats enough for some to say it's just as likely MN stumbles upon a Stroud in the draft.

@"bigbone62" said:

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"FLVike" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"FLVike" said: yeah I have to agree, Cousins played much better in his championship game.

Penix will be a guy to take a hard pass on. You know, the guy you wanted to start his rookie year in the NFL, lol. 

Well I have said that I  would be happy with any of the top 5 QBs. Penix and McCarthy were my two because I have always thought Williams and Maye would be gone. I also would be happy with Nix. Now do I think any of these could play well enough to win if they start as a rookie? Yes

Outside of Williams, Maye, and maybe Daniels....there's not one QB that should be starting next year. Not to say they can't be good eventually.  But if you're expecting an immediate return on anyone outside the top 3, you're going to be very disappointed 

It's the shiny new toy effect. Some people are so desperate to pivot off KC that they dont care to critically analyze the reality of the situation when it comes to young QB's and what the likely outcome is for year one play. Lol, because Stroud, ONE QB in all of last years draft had an unworldly season thats enough for some to say it's just as likely MN stumbles upon a Stroud in the draft.

I will take either over what we will get from Cousins and his $40M per year.

Give me Penix/McCarthy + 2 DL FA vs one Kirk Cousins coming off of an achilles tear. . . 

How the fuck is this even a conversation at this point?  Some fans just love hope and mediocrity 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"FLVike" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"FLVike" said: yeah I have to agree, Cousins played much better in his championship game.

Penix will be a guy to take a hard pass on. You know, the guy you wanted to start his rookie year in the NFL, lol. 

Well I have said that I  would be happy with any of the top 5 QBs. Penix and McCarthy were my two because I have always thought Williams and Maye would be gone. I also would be happy with Nix. Now do I think any of these could play well enough to win if they start as a rookie? Yes

Outside of Williams, Maye, and maybe Daniels....there's not one QB that should be starting next year. Not to say they can't be good eventually.  But if you're expecting an immediate return on anyone outside the top 3, you're going to be very disappointed 

It's the shiny new toy effect. Some people are so desperate to pivot off KC that they dont care to critically analyze the reality of the situation when it comes to young QB's and what the likely outcome is for year one play. Lol, because Stroud, ONE QB in all of last years draft had an unworldly season thats enough for some to say it's just as likely MN stumbles upon a Stroud in the draft.

Its the 'anyone but Cousins' effect for some. And if whomever is drafted doesn't pan out, its because KOC/KAM fucked up. And we would have already won a Superbowl with Harbaugh. Or with Joe Flacco. The Bitter Betty Brigade is going to be like this all offseason. 

If it were up to some here Cousins would get a lift-time contract. How many chances does this dude get? He couldn't get it done with the BEST WR in the NFL. What's next for Cousins, the Hall of Fame and his number retired?I have never seen such an average QB accomplish so little but get so many accolades and fan support.Sorry but there are better QBs at local parks.

@"FLVike" said:

If it were up to some here Cousins would get a lift-time contract. How many chances does this dude get? He couldn't get it done with the BEST WR in the NFL. What's next for Cousins, the Hall of Fame and his number retired?I have never seen such an average QB accomplish so little but get so many accolades and fan support.Sorry but there are better QBs at local parks.

@"FLVike" said:

If it were up to some here Cousins would get a lift-time contract. How many chances does this dude get? He couldn't get it done with the BEST WR in the NFL. What's next for Cousins, the Hall of Fame and his number retired?I have never seen such an average QB accomplish so little but get so many accolades and fan support.Sorry but there are better QBs at local parks.

You surround Kirk with that and you get past the wild card round every year

@"Skodin" said:

@"FLVike" said:

If it were up to some here Cousins would get a lift-time contract. How many chances does this dude get? He couldn't get it done with the BEST WR in the NFL. What's next for Cousins, the Hall of Fame and his number retired?I have never seen such an average QB accomplish so little but get so many accolades and fan support.Sorry but there are better QBs at local parks.

But all he needs is a great OL and good running game.  A top WR duo and a receiving threat TE.  And a top 10 defense.

You surround Kirk with that and you get past the wild card round every year

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"Skodin" said:

@"FLVike" said:

If it were up to some here Cousins would get a lift-time contract. How many chances does this dude get? He couldn't get it done with the BEST WR in the NFL. What's next for Cousins, the Hall of Fame and his number retired?I have never seen such an average QB accomplish so little but get so many accolades and fan support.Sorry but there are better QBs at local parks.

But all he needs is a great OL and good running game.  A top WR duo and a receiving threat TE.  And a top 10 defense.

You surround Kirk with that and you get past the wild card round every year

How many quarterbacks are great without some/all of those things?  How many QBs won a chip without at least some of the things you listed?

I'll be waiting 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"Skodin" said:

@"FLVike" said:

If it were up to some here Cousins would get a lift-time contract. How many chances does this dude get? He couldn't get it done with the BEST WR in the NFL. What's next for Cousins, the Hall of Fame and his number retired?I have never seen such an average QB accomplish so little but get so many accolades and fan support.Sorry but there are better QBs at local parks.

But all he needs is a great OL and good running game.  A top WR duo and a receiving threat TE.  And a top 10 defense.

You surround Kirk with that and you get past the wild card round every year

How many quarterbacks are great without some/all of those things?  How many QBs won a chip without at least some of the things you listed?

I'll be waiting 

How many have needed all of them....I will wait. 

Every time the team comes up short,  its never about Kirk or his contract. 

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"Skodin" said:

@"FLVike" said:

If it were up to some here Cousins would get a lift-time contract. How many chances does this dude get? He couldn't get it done with the BEST WR in the NFL. What's next for Cousins, the Hall of Fame and his number retired?I have never seen such an average QB accomplish so little but get so many accolades and fan support.Sorry but there are better QBs at local parks.

But all he needs is a great OL and good running game.  A top WR duo and a receiving threat TE.  And a top 10 defense.

You surround Kirk with that and you get past the wild card round every year

How many quarterbacks are great without some/all of those things?  How many QBs won a chip without at least some of the things you listed?

I'll be waiting 

How many have needed all of them....I will wait. 

Every time the team comes up short,  its never about Kirk or his contract. 

Huh, I thought it was always about Kirk and his contract...

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"Skodin" said:

@"FLVike" said:

If it were up to some here Cousins would get a lift-time contract. How many chances does this dude get? He couldn't get it done with the BEST WR in the NFL. What's next for Cousins, the Hall of Fame and his number retired?I have never seen such an average QB accomplish so little but get so many accolades and fan support.Sorry but there are better QBs at local parks.

But all he needs is a great OL and good running game.  A top WR duo and a receiving threat TE.  And a top 10 defense.

You surround Kirk with that and you get past the wild card round every year

How many quarterbacks are great without some/all of those things?  How many QBs won a chip without at least some of the things you listed?

I'll be waiting 

How many have needed all of them....I will wait. 

Every time the team comes up short,  its never about Kirk or his contract. 

Huh, I thought it was always about Kirk and his contract...

for me, its mostly just his contract.   His short comings as a QB could be worked around if we had more cap space to put into upgrading our IOL,  as a passer I think he is one of the best out there,  but his lack of movement in the pocket,  or inability to extend plays really devalues him for me in a todays NFL were the defenders are so much quicker and athletic than most of the OL they face.