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Brian O'Neill on Kirk Cousins

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#1 · Jan 8, 12:03 PM
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Well perhaps they'll trade O'Neill to whatever team Kirk ends up with and he'll get that chance he so desires. ;)

#2 · Jan 8, 12:04 PM
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#3 · Jan 8, 12:05 PM
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There's one thing he left off; His best play has been seen but he is not consistence enough week to week and as good as he is, he's not good enough to get a team to the Superbowl.

#4 · Jan 8, 12:15 PM
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He is a 35 year old quarterback rehabbing a major injury that has taken a lot of hits in his career.  He has been good to this point but going forward only father time knows how he will do.

#5 · Jan 8, 12:55 PM
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It bears repeating....

Kwesi is on record stating they want KC back. The negotiation outcome is the big unknown.

March and the combine will be a fascinating time this year. 

#6 · Jan 8, 2:09 PM
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He was also on the record stating something something about a “competitive rebuild” so…  ;) B)  

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@"purplefaithful" said: It bears repeating....

Kwesi is on record stating they want KC back. The negotiation outcome is the big unknown.

March and the combine will be a fascinating time this year. 


I want him back too,  at 20 million per year,  2 year deal, and no "no trade clause",  20 million guaranteed and work that as his signing bonus year one no prorated money out past 24 that isnt already there..  im guessing that isnt what his camp has in mind though.

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@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"purplefaithful" said: It bears repeating....

Kwesi is on record stating they want KC back. The negotiation outcome is the big unknown.

March and the combine will be a fascinating time this year. 


I want him back too,  at 20 million per year,  2 year deal, and no "no trade clause",  20 million guaranteed and work that as his signing bonus year one no prorated money out past 24 that isnt already there..  im guessing that isnt what his camp has in mind though.


No, that wont happen. Probably Danny Dimes $ would be my guess - maybe some tilt toward incentives given the injury. 

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@"purplefaithful" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"purplefaithful" said: It bears repeating....

Kwesi is on record stating they want KC back. The negotiation outcome is the big unknown.

March and the combine will be a fascinating time this year. 


I want him back too,  at 20 million per year,  2 year deal, and no "no trade clause",  20 million guaranteed and work that as his signing bonus year one no prorated money out past 24 that isnt already there..  im guessing that isnt what his camp has in mind though.


No, that wont happen. Probably Danny Dimes $ would be my guess - maybe some tilt toward incentives given the injury. 


then I pass...  Its time to get off the crazy train of over spending for what we are getting.  let other teams over spend, we can go get a bridge guy,  pay off KCs stupid last deal, and focus on building a much better OL for our rookie QB to inherit later 24 or in 25.  

if they let Hunter walk,  our D will likely lose ground,  so why are we keeping a guy that is coming off a injury and is in the twilight of his career?  just need to move on already.

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I think a one year deal for market money will be offered.  i dont think KC will accept that. 2 years guaranteed for Kirk is a bigger risk than i would take. 

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@"Bullazin" said: I think a one year deal for market money will be offered.  i dont think KC will accept that. 2 years guaranteed for Kirk is a bigger risk than i would take. 
A lot of post-injury contracts are one-year prove it deals. I think Kirk's camp will understand that. His side might actually prefer it in this case. Go prove your healthy at a discount and you can go get top of market at the end of the year.

I mean, if you're Kirk, do you want to be locked in at $30M for 3 years? Or do you want to take $30M for a year, then go get $50M on what will likely be your last major contract. 

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As stated before, nobody with KC's skill set is going to take a 1 yr. deal. He's easily worth it to this franchise to keep for 30-35 million on a 2 yr. deal, to play next yr. so we can draft our QBOTF and he learns under Kirko for a yr., and we have Kirko as a reliable BU in his final yr. in case the QBOTF isn't. Money is NOT going to be an issue for this team to sign a couple FA's and lock up JJ and DH. The issue is whether Kwesi and Co. can target the right players. 

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Cousins, who spoke with reporters on Monday, reiterated his desire to stay in Minnesota and said he understood the possibility the Vikings might draft his successor in the spring even if they signed him."I don't think you can do your job as a leader of an organization without saying, 'What's our succession plan? What do we have down the pipeline?' That's just being responsible and due diligence," he said.
The 35-year-old QB also signaled a willingness to at least consider a more affordable deal that would give the Vikings the salary cap space to address other positions. "I think that God has blessed me financially beyond my wildest dreams. So at this stage in my career, the dollars are really not what it's about," he said, adding, "At this point, structure is probably more important."
But it's still unlikely to be cheap for the Vikings to bring back Cousins, who ranked near the top of the league in most passing categories at the time of his injury and could return from his surgery during organized team activities this spring. He said Monday his recovery continues to be free of "curveballs," adding his injury shouldn't affect the way he plays as a pocket passer. By the time his agent, Mike McCartney, goes to the NFL combine at the end of February to meet with teams about possible free agents, he could be armed with video of Cousins running as he tries to convince teams the Achilles injury isn't a concern.
"I'm not going to try to sell myself, if you will," Cousins said. "I think I kind of like to let people make their own decisions. Because I do think that the league needs quarterbacks, and if you're trying to talk yourself out of a quarterback, then I can't help you much. The Achilles is going to heal. It's on track and I'm a pocket passer and there's a lot of time before next season. So for a lot of reasons, it doesn't concern me."
Cousins sought a long-term deal from the Vikings before both the 2022 and 2023 seasons; the team gave him a one-year, $35 million extension before 2022, and added two void years to his existing deal last year when talks broke down on a long-term plan. Multiple sources said the sides reached an impasse on the deal's guarantee structure; Cousins' camp wanted guaranteed money into 2025, while the Vikings were only willing to offer guarantees through 2024.
A two-year deal this year would get Cousins through 2025, while possibly giving the Vikings a window to draft and develop his successor, but the team will have to weigh its interest in giving Cousins the commitment he's wanted, given the fact he's coming off an injury and headed for his 36th birthday.
"I think I'll let Mike McCartney do his job and I'll let the team do theirs," Cousins said. "I'm not going to force anything. So we'll let the team do what they want to do. It's their club and they'll make their decisions and then we'll react accordingly."
When Cousins signed with the Vikings in March 2018, his oldest son Cooper was less than six months old. Now, he's the oldest of two boys who've spent much of their lives in Minnesota, and is a kindergartener who loves his school. "So there's all kinds of factors," Cousins said.
"You ultimately just want to try to find a fit that makes the most sense and that you feel peace about," he added. "I felt great peace and clarity when I committed to Michigan State. I felt great peace when I arrived in Washington and saw the coaches I was going to get to work with. I felt great peace when I came here. And that's really what you're looking for this time around: 'Where am I getting peace from the Lord?' And then follow it."
https://www.startribune.com/kirk-cousins-minnesota-vikings-contract-negotiations-nfl-draft/600333305/

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Look what Stroud did this season, some rookie QBs can play this game at a high level, so why pay millions to Cousin when you may have a better QB on the bench?

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Vikings will do the Vikings , sign Cousins to a three year deal, rearrange the chairs on defense, trade down in the 1st for a DB, declare playoffs or bust and all will be good in delusional Viking land till next January. 

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@"FLVike" said: Look what Stroud did this season, some rookie QBs can play this game at a high level, so why pay millions to Cousin when you may have a better QB on the bench?

Love Stroud, but many of these guys aren't ready out of the gate. I think "most" would argue to give someone year b4 going into the fire. You can ruin a guy putting him out their early.  

Especially in even a dumb-downed KOC offense. 

Problem is, the KC situation needs to resolve itself prior to the draft. So the franchise doesnt have the luxury of seeing who they got in the qb pipeline ahead of negotiation.  

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@"FLVike" said: Look what Stroud did this season, some rookie QBs can play this game at a high level, so why pay millions to Cousin when you may have a better QB on the bench?


For every Stroud, there are 15 Bryce Youngs.

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@"mgobluevikes" said:
@"FLVike" said: Look what Stroud did this season, some rookie QBs can play this game at a high level, so why pay millions to Cousin when you may have a better QB on the bench?


For every Stroud, there are 15 Bryce Youngs.

and is Cousins is one of the Bryce Youngs?

#20 · Jan 8, 7:55 PM
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@"FLVike" said:
@"mgobluevikes" said:
@"FLVike" said: Look what Stroud did this season, some rookie QBs can play this game at a high level, so why pay millions to Cousin when you may have a better QB on the bench?


For every Stroud, there are 15 Bryce Youngs.

and is Cousins is one of the Bryce Youngs?



Bryce Young couldn’t hold Kirk’s jock at this point. 

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