Since the Raider Game...

What broke me was the gross INT trying to hit an open JJ at the goal line by Mullens in the Detroit game. I think it did the team's morale for '23 as well. 

Did teams figure out the Flores defense or did injuries do them in or a combination of both?

@"Knucklehead" said: Did teams figure out the Flores defense or did injuries do them in or a combination of both?

I think a bit of both.  The defense seemed exposed ever since the 2nd half of the Cinci comeback game.  Green Bay moved the ball so easily on that Flores D it was sickening to watch.

@"purplefaithful" said:  0/3 Given up 90 pts

Ugh...

The Vikings, from there IOL to their defense, both of which had been playing better all year, kind of fell apart in those last three games. 

@"Knucklehead" said: Did teams figure out the Flores defense or did injuries do them in or a combination of both?

Here are the teams that we beat - Panthers, Bears, 49ers, Packers, Falcons, Saints, Raiders - 4 of them had a backup QB when we played them, outside of the 49ers none of them are great offenses, also consider another backup Jake Browning lit us up in a loss, so was the defense really transformed or playing agains subpar offenses and QBs?  We dropped 5 of our last 6, in 4 of those his defense went soft at the end of the game and was heavily responsible for the loss by giving up a late score, in the last loss they got completely dominated at home.  I never understood the Flores hype, there is a reason why he did not have one other DC offer in the off season and we only hired him after being turned down by others.  

@"JR44" said:

@"Knucklehead" said: Did teams figure out the Flores defense or did injuries do them in or a combination of both?

Here are the teams that we beat - Panthers, Bears, 49ers, Packers, Falcons, Saints, Raiders - 4 of them had a backup QB when we played them, outside of the 49ers none of them are great offenses, also consider another backup Jake Browning lit us up in a loss, so was the defense really transformed or playing agains subpar offenses and QBs?  We dropped 5 of our last 6, in 4 of those his defense went soft at the end of the game and was heavily responsible for the loss by giving up a late score, in the last loss they got completely dominated at home.  I never understood the Flores hype, there is a reason why he did not have one other DC offer in the off season and we only hired him after being turned down by others.  

@"JR44" said:

@"Knucklehead" said: Did teams figure out the Flores defense or did injuries do them in or a combination of both?

Here are the teams that we beat - Panthers, Bears, 49ers, Packers, Falcons, Saints, Raiders - 4 of them had a backup QB when we played them, outside of the 49ers none of them are great offenses, also consider another backup Jake Browning lit us up in a loss, so was the defense really transformed or playing agains subpar offenses and QBs?  We dropped 5 of our last 6, in 4 of those his defense went soft at the end of the game and was heavily responsible for the loss by giving up a late score, in the last loss they got completely dominated at home.  I never understood the Flores hype, there is a reason why he did not have one other DC offer in the off season and we only hired him after being turned down by others.  

@"Knucklehead" said: Did teams figure out the Flores defense or did injuries do them in or a combination of both?

lack of talent finally caught up. I think Flores did one of the best coaching jobs anyone could have with that abomination.

Got to believe Flores got the most out of some good role player's, but was limited in what they could do.  Hunter alone was disruptive, but couldn't carry everything, especially with some key injuries at other positions.  Davenport, can't think of a bigger disappointment, Underwood or Smoot, perhaps.
As much as I like and would like to have Hunter on this team, I am afraid his talents are wasted.  I have changed my opinion about the competitive rebuild strategy, it ain't much fun, if you have any expectations.  It's just lowering your standard's, I would rather watch some youngsters overachieve with an 8/9 or 7/10 record.  

Now 0/4 
120 pts given up
Shine is off the Flores apple too. 

@"purplefaithful" said: Now 0/4  120 pts given up Shine is off the Flores apple too. 

The good nees is we should have him back next year. 

@"supafreak84" said:

@"JR44" said:

@"Knucklehead" said: Did teams figure out the Flores defense or did injuries do them in or a combination of both?

Here are the teams that we beat - Panthers, Bears, 49ers, Packers, Falcons, Saints, Raiders - 4 of them had a backup QB when we played them, outside of the 49ers none of them are great offenses, also consider another backup Jake Browning lit us up in a loss, so was the defense really transformed or playing agains subpar offenses and QBs?  We dropped 5 of our last 6, in 4 of those his defense went soft at the end of the game and was heavily responsible for the loss by giving up a late score, in the last loss they got completely dominated at home.  I never understood the Flores hype, there is a reason why he did not have one other DC offer in the off season and we only hired him after being turned down by others.  

Good observation. I was thinking the same thing because we've gotten no pressure on the quarterback the last few games and it made me wonder if teams had kind of figured out the blitz packages and what we are doing defensively. The defense has not looked good and to me that's as big a story as anything with the shuffling of backup quarterbacks. 

@"kmillard" said:

@"Knucklehead" said: Did teams figure out the Flores defense or did injuries do them in or a combination of both?

lack of talent finally caught up. I think Flores did one of the best coaching jobs anyone could have with that abomination.

@"Tyr" said:

@"kmillard" said:

@"Knucklehead" said: Did teams figure out the Flores defense or did injuries do them in or a combination of both?

lack of talent finally caught up. I think Flores did one of the best coaching jobs anyone could have with that abomination.

He got the most he could have out of the talent that he had, but eventually the injuries caught up to him and he didn't have the pieces left to make the D work. I'd like to see what he could do with the right pieces for his scheme.

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"Tyr" said:

@"kmillard" said:

@"Knucklehead" said: Did teams figure out the Flores defense or did injuries do them in or a combination of both?

lack of talent finally caught up. I think Flores did one of the best coaching jobs anyone could have with that abomination.

He got the most he could have out of the talent that he had, but eventually the injuries caught up to him and he didn't have the pieces left to make the D work. I'd like to see what he could do with the right pieces for his scheme.

They are going to have to improve the front of this D.
Letting Hunter walk isnt the way to accomplish that.
Some of the DB's and safeties really stepped-up this year. 
I suspect Harry is done now too. 

@"BigAl99" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"Tyr" said:

@"kmillard" said:

@"Knucklehead" said: Did teams figure out the Flores defense or did injuries do them in or a combination of both?

lack of talent finally caught up. I think Flores did one of the best coaching jobs anyone could have with that abomination.

He got the most he could have out of the talent that he had, but eventually the injuries caught up to him and he didn't have the pieces left to make the D work. I'd like to see what he could do with the right pieces for his scheme.

They are going to have to improve the front of this D.
Letting Hunter walk isnt the way to accomplish that.
Some of the DB's and safeties really stepped-up this year. 
I suspect Harry is done now too. 

Hunter is not a happy player, it feels bad, but it may be better for all parties.  He’s held out, never realy hear he inspirational, he deserves a good payday and maybe a fresh start.