I think KOC is a very good HC

@"StickyBun" said: Just putting it out there. While I cursed his name on the 3rd and 4th down stuff with the stupid QB sneaks, I think he does a ton of strong coaching and planning. I can separate moments of suspect play calling with the rest of what he does, including some pretty damn good play calling. I think he has the respect of the players, coaches and ownership. He's a culture fit. I sincerely think he's going to do great things with the Vikings. He's set up to succeed and he will. 

JMO. I think the future is bright. He's going to be the dude that gets us there. 

Years like this one are hard on a fans psyche...I really am bullish on the team and coaching if they get the QB right. And I think they got the right HC to rear a young qb. He's had (and will have) his growing pains, but he does an awful lot right too. 

I think he’s tanking! 2 extra starts for the Bottle Rocket ✅ 2 consecutive failed Tush Pushes✅ taking the foot off the gas on O when leading✅ resorting to passive D in late & critical game situations✅. He’s just following the 1st rule of Tank Club, you never talk about Tank Club…!  ;) B)  

He is still very young for a HC so there is a lot of promise.  But as I have repeatedly written now, he does not display a killer instinct.  It is almost like he does not want to embarrass the other team.  I don't believe there has ever been a coach with this high a % of one score games.  If he does not develop a killer instinct, frankly, he is toast.  And if he doesn't show improvement in his various deficits, well, then he is just like Brandon Staley.

Yep, I'm a big fan of KO too. Yesterday wasn't his finest hour. It happens.
We have the 2nd most turnovers in the league. It's cost us at least 4 games this year. Some might try to, but I do not blame KO for that.

I am fine with him continuing to coach. I can't imagine making a change now, I don't think that would be the best strategy. I really think they need to reevaluate where they go from here though 

Well said. Agree 100%

@"StickyBun" said: Just putting it out there. While I cursed his name on the 3rd and 4th down stuff with the stupid QB sneaks, I think he does a ton of strong coaching and planning. I can separate moments of suspect play calling with the rest of what he does, including some pretty damn good play calling. I think he has the respect of the players, coaches and ownership. He's a culture fit. I sincerely think he's going to do great things with the Vikings. He's set up to succeed and he will. 

JMO. I think the future is bright. He's going to be the dude that gets us there. 

My only issues with KOC thusfar has been his reluctance to establish any kind of consistent running game and sticking with Dobbs too long when he clearly should have been pulled. It cost us the Bears game and almost cost us the Raiders game.

Agree with Sticky.  Pissed about some singular calls, but to think about where we have come from Zimmer, I do not want to go back to that.  Like how he rallies the team.  Hopefully he is learning some lessons for future games.  

@"Bullazin" said:

@"StickyBun" said: Just putting it out there. While I cursed his name on the 3rd and 4th down stuff with the stupid QB sneaks, I think he does a ton of strong coaching and planning. I can separate moments of suspect play calling with the rest of what he does, including some pretty damn good play calling. I think he has the respect of the players, coaches and ownership. He's a culture fit. I sincerely think he's going to do great things with the Vikings. He's set up to succeed and he will. 

JMO. I think the future is bright. He's going to be the dude that gets us there. 

The calls were fine it was the execution that was the issue. Details.  that DT should never have been able to time the snap.  you slow that down with cadence. 

I thought he was a good hire at the time and I have given him the benefit of the doubt through many of his bonehead moves, because he is so likable, but I have seen enough of him, he is by far the dumbest coach I have ever seen on the Viking sideline.  I can't remember a coach being more directly responsible for losses than him.  If you remove him from the game in the last 3 losses and put anyone else on the sidelines, we win all 3 games.  Great speaker, decent motivator, excellent QB coach, but the worst game manager in the game by far.  

@"JR44" said: I thought he was a good hire at the time and I have given him the benefit of the doubt through many of his bonehead moves, because he is so likable, but I have seen enough of him, he is by far the dumbest coach I have ever seen on the Viking sideline.  I can't remember a coach being more directly responsible for losses than him.  If you remove him from the game in the last 3 losses and put anyone else on the sidelines, we win all 3 games.  Great speaker, decent motivator, excellent QB coach, but the worst game manager in the game by far.  

I really question how many HC's call plays whether it be defense or offense. I think sometimes a head coach needs to keep the 30,000 foot view with the right to veto play calls based on managing the overall game. It seems that way too many HC's in today's league have their specialty and lose sight of the game. I have no idea what Wes Phillips is actually doing on game day besides sending pictures to QB's on the sidelines, just like KOC did in L.A. 

Maybe hire an OC that has more than the title, and let him do his job. Of course that requires making quality hires.

The best HC in the NFL is about to be let go in New England.....is it because he can't coach? lol. That's rhetorical, its obvious he can. But also even a great football mind needs the conduit of a very good QB. The Vikings have started 4 different ones this year AND have a -6 turnover differential. That's the story of this season. 

Like I've said many times, watch the Redzone Channel and you'll see all kinds of 'curious' play calling. 

@"StickyBun" said: The best HC in the NFL is about to be let go in New England.....is it because he can't coach? lol. That's rhetorical, its obvious he can. But also even a great football mind needs the conduit of a very good QB. The Vikings have started 4 different ones this year AND have a -6 turnover differential. That's the story of this season. 

Like I've said many times, watch the Redzone Channel and you'll see all kinds of 'curious' play calling. 

KOC seems only focused on the Offensive side of the ball which is also concerning. He let Donatell steer the ship into an Iceberg last year and sunk it. He did nothing to stop the bleeding when he should have been fired at the Bye Week and let Pettine take over for the rest of the year. Nothing has changed. Flores runs the defense and KOC runs the offense. When Flores leaves this offseason for a Head Coaching job, we will be back to square one praying that KOC can find a suitable replacement which will once again test his judgement which has come into question this year IMO and from several others in the Media. Even Flores was screaming at him to call a timeout instead of running a second boneheaded QB Sneak with a Center who has a history of back problems and a lack of lower body strength. KOC can't get out of his own way at times. Maybe it's been Cousins all along that has been making KOC look like a great offensive mind.  

I agree with all of you that he is a breath of fresh air compared to Zimmer and he is definitely a great culture builder but so is PJ Fleck. There are some eerily similar traits with these two. Both are struggling with in game decision making. 

Reckless Speculation: Brandon Staley will be our next Defensive Coordinator who was also KOC's coaching buddy with the Rams and strongly recommended he hire Donatell.  

KOC needs to take the off-season and reevaluate his play calling late in games and figure out how to get more of a killer instinct.

However I believe a lot of the issue stems from having no Cousins. Considering losing him, JJ for more than half the season, Hall getting concussed in his first start while Mullens was out with his back injury along with Hicks being out has really handcuffed this team.

I was thinking about the definition of insanity last night in relation to the last two play calls.

Also, as I understand it, KOC used Powell in the final two plays to keep the Bengals out of their gol line defense (BTW, the only two plays Powell played on offense the entire game).  If so, why didn't he call a time out when the Bengals rolled out a goal line defense?

@"1VikesFan" said: KOC needs to take the off-season and reevaluate his play calling late in games and figure out how to get more of a killer instinct.

However I believe a lot of the issue stems from having no Cousins. Considering losing him, JJ for more than half the season, Hall getting concussed in his first start while Mullens was out with his back injury along with Hicks being out has really handcuffed this team.

@"StickyBun" said: The best HC in the NFL is about to be let go in New England.....is it because he can't coach? lol. That's rhetorical, its obvious he can. But also even a great football mind needs the conduit of a very good QB. The Vikings have started 4 different ones this year AND have a -6 turnover differential. That's the story of this season. 

Like I've said many times, watch the Redzone Channel and you'll see all kinds of 'curious' play calling.