Josh Dobbs

Pretty sure it's Mullens for now 

Should be Hall, and likely would have been if we had lost 

@"supafreak84" said: Should be Hall, and likely would have been if we had lost 

@"hpertrain" said:

@"supafreak84" said: Should be Hall, and likely would have been if we had lost 

No this is Mullen’s ship now.  Hall should be the back up.

Dobbs seems to have awful instincts, he is the George Costanza of QBs in that every decision is the wrong one.  A lot of dropped balls did not help, but a lot of his drops are from the ball being too high where the DB can effect it with impact instead of getting the ball and putting it into the gut of the WR.  The bar was not very high for Mullens so he looked good by comparison, but I would prefer to see Hall as I think he has the higher upside. 

IF - we get to the playoffs, were not going far.  Why not see what Hall has in game situations before going into the draft?

This is what I posted after the Bears game, " They have a QB who lacks accuracy and makes bad decisions, often times throwing to covered receivers.
Jefferson returning is not going to be enough. Dobbs won't be able to get the ball to him.
The offensive line didn't protect as well against the Bears as they had been, but the offense with Dobbs was almost non existent. " 

I have not changed my mind. What has changed is I am beginning to question KOC's judgement.
Dobbs belongs on the bench. Maybe bring him in for a trick play now and then, but don't let him pass.

I said it as far back as prior to the Denver game - Dobbs is a known commodity and he would crash hard.  

I get why fans would be talking about how he was gonna get a 30 mil/yr contract after the Atlanta game, haha, but why KOC, with years of experience and a big staff of experts on hand, needed to fuck around with Dobbs through nearly 3 full games after Dobbs was clearly reverting to form late vs the Saints is mystifying.

If Coach Hot Air would have just switched to Mullens at the half in Denver, something which seemed obvious at the time, there's a reasonable chance we're 9-4 or 8-5 right now.

But I'm sure I'm about to hear crap like "fastest to 20 wins in Viking history"!   This guy is stumbling badly in many areas.  If it weren't for Flores who is bound to leave soon we'd be 2-11 right now and coach genius would probably be looking at an exit.  

@"comet52" said: I said it as far back as prior to the Denver game - Dobbs is a known commodity and he would crash hard.  

I get why fans would be talking about how he was gonna get a 30 mil/yr contract after the Atlanta game, haha, but why KOC, with years of experience and a big staff of experts on hand, needed to fuck around with Dobbs through nearly 3 full games after Dobbs was clearly reverting to form late vs the Saints is mystifying.

If Coach Hot Air would have just switched to Mullens at the half in Denver, something which seemed obvious at the time, there's a reasonable chance we're 9-4 or 8-5 right now.

But I'm sure I'm about to hear crap like "fastest to 20 wins in Viking history"!   This guy is stumbling badly in many areas.  If it weren't for Flores who is bound to leave soon we'd be 2-11 right now and coach genius would probably be looking at an exit.  

@"StickyBun" said:

@"comet52" said: I said it as far back as prior to the Denver game - Dobbs is a known commodity and he would crash hard.  

I get why fans would be talking about how he was gonna get a 30 mil/yr contract after the Atlanta game, haha, but why KOC, with years of experience and a big staff of experts on hand, needed to fuck around with Dobbs through nearly 3 full games after Dobbs was clearly reverting to form late vs the Saints is mystifying.

If Coach Hot Air would have just switched to Mullens at the half in Denver, something which seemed obvious at the time, there's a reasonable chance we're 9-4 or 8-5 right now.

But I'm sure I'm about to hear crap like "fastest to 20 wins in Viking history"!   This guy is stumbling badly in many areas.  If it weren't for Flores who is bound to leave soon we'd be 2-11 right now and coach genius would probably be looking at an exit.  

The people really talking seriously about Dobbs as the QB next year did so out of their dislike of Cousins. Easy to spot. Dobbs is exactly what he's always been, a guy not nearly good enough to start anywhere for more than a game or two. Mullens should have started the whole game yesterday.

@"jargomcfargo" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"comet52" said: I said it as far back as prior to the Denver game - Dobbs is a known commodity and he would crash hard.  

I get why fans would be talking about how he was gonna get a 30 mil/yr contract after the Atlanta game, haha, but why KOC, with years of experience and a big staff of experts on hand, needed to fuck around with Dobbs through nearly 3 full games after Dobbs was clearly reverting to form late vs the Saints is mystifying.

If Coach Hot Air would have just switched to Mullens at the half in Denver, something which seemed obvious at the time, there's a reasonable chance we're 9-4 or 8-5 right now.

But I'm sure I'm about to hear crap like "fastest to 20 wins in Viking history"!   This guy is stumbling badly in many areas.  If it weren't for Flores who is bound to leave soon we'd be 2-11 right now and coach genius would probably be looking at an exit.  

The people really talking seriously about Dobbs as the QB next year did so out of their dislike of Cousins. Easy to spot. Dobbs is exactly what he's always been, a guy not nearly good enough to start anywhere for more than a game or two. Mullens should have started the whole game yesterday.

Sorry to be so negative, but I don't see Mullins as much better than Dobbs.
KOC's offensive strategy is almost wholly dependent upon QB play. Some surprise coming from a former QB.
With no consequential run game and no starting caliber QB's, he will be hard pressed to coach his way to success.
He has play makers and nobody to deliver the ball to them consistently.

@"AGRforever" said:

@"jargomcfargo" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"comet52" said: I said it as far back as prior to the Denver game - Dobbs is a known commodity and he would crash hard.  

I get why fans would be talking about how he was gonna get a 30 mil/yr contract after the Atlanta game, haha, but why KOC, with years of experience and a big staff of experts on hand, needed to fuck around with Dobbs through nearly 3 full games after Dobbs was clearly reverting to form late vs the Saints is mystifying.

If Coach Hot Air would have just switched to Mullens at the half in Denver, something which seemed obvious at the time, there's a reasonable chance we're 9-4 or 8-5 right now.

But I'm sure I'm about to hear crap like "fastest to 20 wins in Viking history"!   This guy is stumbling badly in many areas.  If it weren't for Flores who is bound to leave soon we'd be 2-11 right now and coach genius would probably be looking at an exit.  

The people really talking seriously about Dobbs as the QB next year did so out of their dislike of Cousins. Easy to spot. Dobbs is exactly what he's always been, a guy not nearly good enough to start anywhere for more than a game or two. Mullens should have started the whole game yesterday.

Sorry to be so negative, but I don't see Mullins as much better than Dobbs.
KOC's offensive strategy is almost wholly dependent upon QB play. Some surprise coming from a former QB.
With no consequential run game and no starting caliber QB's, he will be hard pressed to coach his way to success.
He has play makers and nobody to deliver the ball to them consistently.

There are very very very few instances of successful seasons where the starting QB goes down midseason.  KOC gets a mulligan on the season. I think it was fair for KOC to give Dobbs a chance.  I probably would have called it a day at halftime.  I have no idea if we're going anywhere this season, but it would be a miracle if KOC got Mullens to ball out the rest of the season and actually make a real run.

@"comet52" said:

@"AGRforever" said:

@"jargomcfargo" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"comet52" said: I said it as far back as prior to the Denver game - Dobbs is a known commodity and he would crash hard.  

I get why fans would be talking about how he was gonna get a 30 mil/yr contract after the Atlanta game, haha, but why KOC, with years of experience and a big staff of experts on hand, needed to fuck around with Dobbs through nearly 3 full games after Dobbs was clearly reverting to form late vs the Saints is mystifying.

If Coach Hot Air would have just switched to Mullens at the half in Denver, something which seemed obvious at the time, there's a reasonable chance we're 9-4 or 8-5 right now.

But I'm sure I'm about to hear crap like "fastest to 20 wins in Viking history"!   This guy is stumbling badly in many areas.  If it weren't for Flores who is bound to leave soon we'd be 2-11 right now and coach genius would probably be looking at an exit.  

The people really talking seriously about Dobbs as the QB next year did so out of their dislike of Cousins. Easy to spot. Dobbs is exactly what he's always been, a guy not nearly good enough to start anywhere for more than a game or two. Mullens should have started the whole game yesterday.

Sorry to be so negative, but I don't see Mullins as much better than Dobbs.
KOC's offensive strategy is almost wholly dependent upon QB play. Some surprise coming from a former QB.
With no consequential run game and no starting caliber QB's, he will be hard pressed to coach his way to success.
He has play makers and nobody to deliver the ball to them consistently.

There are very very very few instances of successful seasons where the starting QB goes down midseason.  KOC gets a mulligan on the season. I think it was fair for KOC to give Dobbs a chance.  I probably would have called it a day at halftime.  I have no idea if we're going anywhere this season, but it would be a miracle if KOC got Mullens to ball out the rest of the season and actually make a real run.

Thats why some of us were calling for taking a look at Hall the rest of the way even after the lucky Dobbs Atlanta game.  But the organization apparently believes a playoff appearance with Dobbs or now Mullens is some sort of imperative.  The fact it will end ugly doesn't seem to matter to them.  And we're just along for the ride.

@"StickyBun" said:

@"comet52" said: I said it as far back as prior to the Denver game - Dobbs is a known commodity and he would crash hard.  

I get why fans would be talking about how he was gonna get a 30 mil/yr contract after the Atlanta game, haha, but why KOC, with years of experience and a big staff of experts on hand, needed to fuck around with Dobbs through nearly 3 full games after Dobbs was clearly reverting to form late vs the Saints is mystifying.

If Coach Hot Air would have just switched to Mullens at the half in Denver, something which seemed obvious at the time, there's a reasonable chance we're 9-4 or 8-5 right now.

But I'm sure I'm about to hear crap like "fastest to 20 wins in Viking history"!   This guy is stumbling badly in many areas.  If it weren't for Flores who is bound to leave soon we'd be 2-11 right now and coach genius would probably be looking at an exit.  

The people really talking seriously about Dobbs as the QB next year did so out of their dislike of Cousins. Easy to spot. Dobbs is exactly what he's always been, a guy not nearly good enough to start anywhere for more than a game or two. Mullens should have started the whole game yesterday.

The one thing Josh Dobbs lacks is...poise.  If the route isn't immediately there, panic sets in.

Dobbs is late getting the ball out and his arm wont make up for it.  i like his potential as a QB2 with a full camp behind him, but this is not the offense for him probably.  

@"ArizonaViking" said: The one thing Josh Dobbs lacks is...poise.  If the route isn't immediately there, panic sets in.

Easier said than done. But that was the glaring difference between Dobbs and Mullens. On Mullens' first two passes, he got to the bottom of his drop and fired a ball to receivers who weren't really open. He hit one, missed another. But that's what you have to do. 

Even in Dobbs two wins, you could see that this was going to be a problem for him. 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"comet52" said:

@"AGRforever" said:

@"jargomcfargo" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"comet52" said: I said it as far back as prior to the Denver game - Dobbs is a known commodity and he would crash hard.  

I get why fans would be talking about how he was gonna get a 30 mil/yr contract after the Atlanta game, haha, but why KOC, with years of experience and a big staff of experts on hand, needed to fuck around with Dobbs through nearly 3 full games after Dobbs was clearly reverting to form late vs the Saints is mystifying.

If Coach Hot Air would have just switched to Mullens at the half in Denver, something which seemed obvious at the time, there's a reasonable chance we're 9-4 or 8-5 right now.

But I'm sure I'm about to hear crap like "fastest to 20 wins in Viking history"!   This guy is stumbling badly in many areas.  If it weren't for Flores who is bound to leave soon we'd be 2-11 right now and coach genius would probably be looking at an exit.  

The people really talking seriously about Dobbs as the QB next year did so out of their dislike of Cousins. Easy to spot. Dobbs is exactly what he's always been, a guy not nearly good enough to start anywhere for more than a game or two. Mullens should have started the whole game yesterday.

Sorry to be so negative, but I don't see Mullins as much better than Dobbs.
KOC's offensive strategy is almost wholly dependent upon QB play. Some surprise coming from a former QB.
With no consequential run game and no starting caliber QB's, he will be hard pressed to coach his way to success.
He has play makers and nobody to deliver the ball to them consistently.

There are very very very few instances of successful seasons where the starting QB goes down midseason.  KOC gets a mulligan on the season. I think it was fair for KOC to give Dobbs a chance.  I probably would have called it a day at halftime.  I have no idea if we're going anywhere this season, but it would be a miracle if KOC got Mullens to ball out the rest of the season and actually make a real run.

Thats why some of us were calling for taking a look at Hall the rest of the way even after the lucky Dobbs Atlanta game.  But the organization apparently believes a playoff appearance with Dobbs or now Mullens is some sort of imperative.  The fact it will end ugly doesn't seem to matter to them.  And we're just along for the ride.

Agreed, it sure does suck to be in the thick of the NFC playoff hunt and even possibly winning the NFCN on December 12th. Blows. I mean, if we aren't obviously the most dominant team in the NFC and easy Super Bowl fave, why even suit up? 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"ArizonaViking" said: The one thing Josh Dobbs lacks is...poise.  If the route isn't immediately there, panic sets in.

Yep. And IMO this is the biggest difference between QBs who succeed in the NFL and those who fail. That ability to stand strong in the pocket, stay calm, feel the pressure without looking at it, keep eyes up, go through progressions, and deliver the ball on time, whether your guy is open or not. All in 2 or 3 seconds.

Easier said than done. But that was the glaring difference between Dobbs and Mullens. On Mullens' first two passes, he got to the bottom of his drop and fired a ball to receivers who weren't really open. He hit one, missed another. But that's what you have to do. 

Even in Dobbs two wins, you could see that this was going to be a problem for him. 

@"comet52" said:

@"AGRforever" said:

@"jargomcfargo" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"comet52" said: I said it as far back as prior to the Denver game - Dobbs is a known commodity and he would crash hard.  

I get why fans would be talking about how he was gonna get a 30 mil/yr contract after the Atlanta game, haha, but why KOC, with years of experience and a big staff of experts on hand, needed to fuck around with Dobbs through nearly 3 full games after Dobbs was clearly reverting to form late vs the Saints is mystifying.

If Coach Hot Air would have just switched to Mullens at the half in Denver, something which seemed obvious at the time, there's a reasonable chance we're 9-4 or 8-5 right now.

But I'm sure I'm about to hear crap like "fastest to 20 wins in Viking history"!   This guy is stumbling badly in many areas.  If it weren't for Flores who is bound to leave soon we'd be 2-11 right now and coach genius would probably be looking at an exit.  

The people really talking seriously about Dobbs as the QB next year did so out of their dislike of Cousins. Easy to spot. Dobbs is exactly what he's always been, a guy not nearly good enough to start anywhere for more than a game or two. Mullens should have started the whole game yesterday.

Sorry to be so negative, but I don't see Mullins as much better than Dobbs.
KOC's offensive strategy is almost wholly dependent upon QB play. Some surprise coming from a former QB.
With no consequential run game and no starting caliber QB's, he will be hard pressed to coach his way to success.
He has play makers and nobody to deliver the ball to them consistently.

There are very very very few instances of successful seasons where the starting QB goes down midseason.  KOC gets a mulligan on the season. I think it was fair for KOC to give Dobbs a chance.  I probably would have called it a day at halftime.  I have no idea if we're going anywhere this season, but it would be a miracle if KOC got Mullens to ball out the rest of the season and actually make a real run.

Thats why some of us were calling for taking a look at Hall the rest of the way even after the lucky Dobbs Atlanta game.  But the organization apparently believes a playoff appearance with Dobbs or now Mullens is some sort of imperative.  The fact it will end ugly doesn't seem to matter to them.  And we're just along for the ride.