QB Daniel Jones, Giants

Lol, we fans lose our minds if we have an 0-3 start against teams with a .750 record, or call for regime change less than 2 years in.  

I think you have to keep running him out there if you are the giants, hes shown enough and is paid now.  

The one QB that intringues me is Kyler Murray. He has issues and a nutty contract, but if you can get him on the field healthy he is damn fun to watch.  I would want a chair at that table

@"Bullazin" said: Lol, we fans lose our minds if we have an 0-3 start against teams with a .750 record, or call for regime change less than 2 years in.  

I think you have to keep running him out there if you are the giants, hes shown enough and is paid now.  

The one QB that intringues me is Kyler Murray. He has issues and a nutty contract, but if you can get him on the field healthy he is damn fun to watch.  I would want a chair at that table

Yeah, that's where I beg to differ. I want zero part of Murray, way to inaccurate. My point on this thread wasn't that the Vikings should pursue Jones if the Giants do something in the future, but rather that many teams still have challenges game to game with their starting QBs. I just think that the vast majority of the time, other team's castoffs at the QB position don't ever work out. Not always, of course. I guess now that I look at my original post, it does appear I'm asking the board if they'd want him in purple! Bad phrasing on my part, just looking for opinions on Jones.

Dont question yourself my man. Have you met me?  I can reply to a post and take it in any direction on the compass. A little attention disorder over here :). 

Seems to happen a lot on the heels of a big contract. See Burrow. I think Jones is better than what he's shown so far this year. His offensive line has been horrible. He'll play better as the schedule evens out. 

Speaking of which, Vikings have a bargain. 

Surely Daniel Jones doesn’t have a higher AAV than, say, Kirk Cousins, right? pic.twitter.com/8zCGG1Muoy

— Ivan, Czar of Bohunks (@Up4Discussion_7) October 3, 2023

I didn't watch much of the the game last night but I turned it on just as he threw the goal line pick returned for a TD.  That looked like it was just a bad mistake on his part.  The rest of the game he was has just getting killed by the Hawks D.He's kind of like any NFL QB.  If he has time, he can be very good both throwing and running.  If not, he can look like a 2nd or 3rd stringer.  I think we kind of have that problem with our QB too.

their OL is piecemeal I think two of their starters were out, then lost their center early in the game.

seahawks sacked him 11 times last night

You would blow my mind if you could prove that he's not related to Ed Donatell

@"Bullazin" said: Lol, we fans lose our minds if we have an 0-3 start against teams with a .750 record, or call for regime change less than 2 years in.  

I think you have to keep running him out there if you are the giants, hes shown enough and is paid now.  

The one QB that intringues me is Kyler Murray. He has issues and a nutty contract, but if you can get him on the field healthy he is damn fun to watch.  I would want a chair at that table

You had me 'til you mentioned Murray.  He's not impressive with homework, work ethic, or consistency.

@"StickyBun" said:

@"Bullazin" said: Lol, we fans lose our minds if we have an 0-3 start against teams with a .750 record, or call for regime change less than 2 years in.  

I think you have to keep running him out there if you are the giants, hes shown enough and is paid now.  

The one QB that intringues me is Kyler Murray. He has issues and a nutty contract, but if you can get him on the field healthy he is damn fun to watch.  I would want a chair at that table

Yeah, that's where I beg to differ. I want zero part of Murray, way to inaccurate. My point on this thread wasn't that the Vikings should pursue Jones if the Giants do something in the future, but rather that many teams still have challenges game to game with their starting QBs. I just think that the vast majority of the time, other team's castoffs at the QB position don't ever work out. Not always, of course. I guess now that I look at my original post, it does appear I'm asking the board if they'd want him in purple! Bad phrasing on my part, just looking for opinions on Jones.

He is a Joe Flacco level quarterback and the Giants were put in a difficult spot to either pay him after a season of improvement, or dump him because he had been awful prior to that. They elected to go with the devil they knew and pay the guy as theor other options were slim. The problem is their offensive line is in shambles and that offense is completely reliant on Saquan Barkley being in the lineup because Jones is incapable of winning games on his own. I know the quarterback market is what it is, but it's tough to justify paying a quarterback big money who is incapable of winning games on his own.

@"Vanguard83" said: their OL is piecemeal I think two of their starters were out, then lost their center early in the game.

seahawks sacked him 11 times last night

Last night was reminiscent of Archie Manning in a Viking uniform playing the 86 Bears. 

 Giants were in a tough position with him as others have pointed out. Not a bad player, not a great one - but gets QB $. Danny dimes owes the Viking D a big thank you from 2022. 

I know switching gears, but I still cannot believe we lost to the crappy Giants/Jones at home last playoffs.  

The problem isn't his pay or his play,  except that they aren't commensurate to each other.  The problem is that teams are scared of losing out on mediocrity and as such are over paying for it.  You can win with mediocrity,   but not if you can't afford to pay the requisite players around that mediocre QB that it takes to elevate the entire offense.

Teams with good not great qbs on rookie deals look good,  until they have to start paying other positions ( ol and skill positions) in addition to that 2nd over inflated QB deal.  I have said forever,  my only issue with Kirk is that he was getting to much for what he brought to the table,   people always said the market the market,   fuck the market,   the market isn't winning trophies and rings,  get off the stupid notion of overpaying for average QB play and be a leader in resetting the group think. 

Jones would be fine with a better support cast his contract should have shown that,  the Giants screwed up and as such will pay for it.  Which they should. 

And hell no to Kyler Murray,  bro should have went with baseball. 

@"supafreak84" said: He is a Joe Flacco level quarterback and the Giants were put in a difficult spot to either pay him after a season of improvement, or dump him because he had been awful prior to that. They elected to go with the devil they knew and pay the guy as theor other options were slim. The problem is their offensive line is in shambles and that offense is completely reliant on Saquan Barkley being in the lineup because Jones is incapable of winning games on his own. I know the quarterback market is what it is, but it's tough to justify paying a quarterback big money who is incapable of winning games on his own.

Yup.

@"JimmyinSD" said: The problem isn't his pay or his play,  except that they aren't commensurate to each other.  The problem is that teams are scared of losing out on mediocrity and as such are over paying for it.  You can win with mediocrity,   but not if you can't afford to pay the requisite players around that mediocre QB that it takes to elevate the entire offense.

Teams with good not great qbs on rookie deals look good,  until they have to start paying other positions ( ol and skill positions) in addition to that 2nd over inflated QB deal.  I have said forever,  my only issue with Kirk is that he was getting to much for what he brought to the table,   people always said the market the market,   fuck the market,   the market isn't winning trophies and rings,  get off the stupid notion of overpaying for average QB play and be a leader in resetting the group think. 

Jones would be fine with a better support cast his contract should have shown that,  the Giants screwed up and as such will pay for it.  Which they should. 

And hell no to Kyler Murray,  bro should have went with baseball. 

Sounds great in theory but no agent worth his salt is going to allow his client to sign a below market contract.

I heard on sports radio today that the Gmen can pretty much be off the hook with him after 2024. So while it doesnt look like a good signing today, this is nothing like how the Bronco's got bent over on Russ Wilson. 

@"Knucklehead" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: The problem isn't his pay or his play,  except that they aren't commensurate to each other.  The problem is that teams are scared of losing out on mediocrity and as such are over paying for it.  You can win with mediocrity,   but not if you can't afford to pay the requisite players around that mediocre QB that it takes to elevate the entire offense.

Teams with good not great qbs on rookie deals look good,  until they have to start paying other positions ( ol and skill positions) in addition to that 2nd over inflated QB deal.  I have said forever,  my only issue with Kirk is that he was getting to much for what he brought to the table,   people always said the market the market,   fuck the market,   the market isn't winning trophies and rings,  get off the stupid notion of overpaying for average QB play and be a leader in resetting the group think. 

Jones would be fine with a better support cast his contract should have shown that,  the Giants screwed up and as such will pay for it.  Which they should. 

And hell no to Kyler Murray,  bro should have went with baseball. 

Sounds great in theory but no agent worth his salt is going to allow his client to sign a below market contract.

@"purplefaithful" said: I heard on sports radio today that the Gmen can pretty much be off the hook with him after 2024. So while it doesnt look like a good signing today, this is nothing like how the Bronco's got bent over on Russ Wilson. 

If you call $22.2 million in dead cap money off the hook....

@"StickyBun" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: I heard on sports radio today that the Gmen can pretty much be off the hook with him after 2024. So while it doesnt look like a good signing today, this is nothing like how the Bronco's got bent over on Russ Wilson. 

If you call $22.2 million in dead cap money off the hook....

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: I heard on sports radio today that the Gmen can pretty much be off the hook with him after 2024. So while it doesnt look like a good signing today, this is nothing like how the Bronco's got bent over on Russ Wilson. 

If you call $22.2 million in dead cap money off the hook....

Relative to Rogers $60mm?  Yah, thats not bad. Not great, but do-able if he's just a disaster. Gmen front office should get a little more rope than say a KAM too.